Yellow Trait Line Questions

[Aaram3s]

I've been enjoying trying out the FoS trait line with my Guardian, but I had some questions.

1. According to the skill tool-tips, the following AoE skills have small bleeds associated with them when in FoS:

War-chant
Sweeping Cut
Whirling Retaliation
Vexing Blow

However, I have not observed any type of DoT placed on mobs when using these skills. Is the tool-tip incorrect, or is the lack of these effects incorrect?

2. The Bolster and Tenderize traits indicate their respective crit defense and crit rating buffs can stack up to five times. The related shield buff icons do not have the numbers on them like the bleed stacks in Keen Blade, so it is difficult to tell when you are at five stacks. Regardless, the Bolster trait says if you use Sting at five stacks, you will stun your target. But it looks like you can't use it just anytime after five stacks to get the stun. Upon the fifth block or any subsequent block, the following confusingly-worded buff will trigger and only last for three seconds:

"+100% +5% Chance to stun targets that are affected by one of your bleeds"

It does not appear that a bleed has to be present for the stun to work. So essentially, it appears the stun will only work if you are actually hitting the target with Sting within that three-second window after 5+ blocks.

Also, when using Sting with Tenderize at five stacks, I've observed that there is always a small "Bleed 1" (20 or so dmg) placed on the target initially, but then it is usually followed by a larger bleed of the type of your weapon dmg (i.e., Bleed 1 does 155 Beleriand dmg every 2 sec for 12 sec). Sometimes, however, the initial small bleed stays on for the 12 sec rather than the larger bleed. Whether Sting is used on a marked or unmarked target at 5 Tenderize stacks does not seem to matter in this case.

I know some of the tool-tips have errors in their descriptions, so I'm just trying to get an idea for how all this is supposed to be working.

[oaceen]

i have a theory about the problem.


the baseline bleed available to yellow line is that ~40 dmg bleed from using sting at 5 stacks of tenderize. radiate will spread debuffs and bleeds to adjacent targets, and it is currently bugged on the tooltips for AOE skills when radiate is traited to list that bleed. it also bugs and actually spreads that minimal bleed, regardless of the bleed currently on the target (such as spreading the bleed with thrust or a broad strokes sweeping cut)

the stun. it's weird. i noticed that buff as well in beta, and was trying to figure out where it came from. it took me many tries and finally a screenshot to get all of the wording for it, and of course it's not listed anywhere on the tooltip about the 3s buff or anything like that. i asked about it in beta and never got a response, but i couldn't figure out what it was at first, so perhaps i wasn't asking the right question.

all of that said, i don't even use sting at all. if i need some filler, i have vexing blow.

[Aaram3s]

Thanks for the response. Your theory seems plausible. I'm hoping they can get these cleaned up soon in a patch.

[mootay]

Here's a thread concerning the small bleed;
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...hanic-question

I think it's a bug and it's linked to the radiate trait. I've used the tenderize bleed a bit and it does sometimes trigger the small bleed but I haven't seen it trigger as solely the initial tick as, if I read you correctly, you mentioned. That would be quite strange since I think the reason it isn't added to the whole stack is because it's an unspecified damage type. So that would mean it's unspecified for the initial tick and then suddenly it's Beleriand or whatever? I would be curious to see how it behaves without radiate.

One peculiar thing I did notice is that without spec'ing into the keen blade line your bleed stacks top out at 3, but if you use tenderize after you've reached 3 you can push it to 4 and maybe even spread it around with radiate(not sure about that bit).

edit:

I just did a little more testing without any points invested into radiate. At that point the small bleed disappears from AoE tool-tips and doesn't seem to trigger at all from AoEs. However it's still attached to tenderize and is seemingly always listed on the sting tool-tip even though you sometimes get the normal bleed(with the small initial tick as you stated). Although, with the small initial tick it's still your weapon's damage type, where as it's unspecified with the full length small bleed.

I don't think the small bleeds are at all intended and they'll iron this out at some point.

[Verizal]

There seems to be a few threads on this issue, so I'll jump in here while I have the time and hope word gets around :-P

So yes, from what I can tell, the low damage bleed was coming from Tenderize. Despite the abnormally low damage, it still tiered correctly so, when using radiate, it seems as though it would pass along this low damage bleed if it was of a higher tier than what already existed on targets of Radiate. For 12.1, you should no longer see this low damage bleed and should therefore not experience any further problems with Radiate.

[Overlordnakh]

There seems to be a few threads on this issue, so I'll jump in here while I have the time and hope word gets around :-P

So yes, from what I can tell, the low damage bleed was coming from Tenderize. Despite the abnormally low damage, it still tiered correctly so, when using radiate, it seems as though it would pass along this low damage bleed if it was of a higher tier than what already existed on targets of Radiate. For 12.1, you should no longer see this low damage bleed and should therefore not experience any further problems with Radiate.

Thank you for the info