VIPs no longer have priority?

[FyreBrand]

Don't go hating on Lifers to much now, there's probably not that many around still and we took the gamble to shell out a couple of hundred frogskins at the very infancy if the game not even knowing it would pay off in the long run in regards to the game still being around compared to if we went sub only. The House lost on that bet for the few still around, but I'd wager they still made out on total of Lifer accounts sold vs. number of Lifer accounts still even playing.

A pittance of an allowance of 500 TP is less than half of what I still spend per month to keep my game interesting, (I stock up on TP when the sales hit) but IIRC the main reason they did it was so that we could still get "free" expansion packs by applying the 'free' TP towards them.

And to be fair, I'm usually the first one to say, "Every time a Lifer uses their Lifer status to ask for more free perks, Sauron kills a kitten... THINK OF THE KITTENS, PEOPLE!!"

It's not really hating on lifers. It was just a horrible monetization mistake on the part of Turbine. It was a risk and a PR move to buy F2P acceptance at the time at the expense of long term revenue later. They sort of backed themselves in a corner and it shows that, at the time, the company wasn't being driven very well at the top. Note that not many publishers have replicated the model exactly and for good reason.

I wouldn't say lifers should lose their perks though. I would love to see the percentage breakdown of pure F2P, Premium that regularly purchase TP, Lifers, and subscribers.

[Mithlanros]

I am a lifer and I have supported the game through in game purchases to the tune of several hundred dollars over the years. I would argue that people like myself who were willing to plop down for the lifetime years ago are more likely to spend real money in the store. Of course this is just my opinion but I am sure I am not alone.

[Akorillian7]

I am a lifer and I have supported the game through in game purchases to the tune of several hundred dollars over the years. I would argue that people like myself who were willing to plop down for the lifetime years ago are more likely to spend real money in the store. Of course this is just my opinion but I am sure I am not alone.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were right. Even with the free TP I get each month, there's always something I want to buy, so I stock up when there's double points.

[Wolfsrun]

And you're on Brandywine???

Yup, all my characters are on Brandywine and I've only once had trouble logging in (which was a couple weeks ago and resolved pretty quickly).

Also, I think OP and everyone else is missing the point that if the server is full, it's full. VIP would still get priority in the login queue over Premium and Free accounts, but it's not like a login spot will just magically appear because you're VIP. Infrastructure just doesn't work that way... if it did, Brandywine wouldn't have so many issues. And that's also why Turbine is investing the time and money to upgrade the hardware and migrate data centers.

Saying a free player or premium player should be kicked off is just ignorant and selfish. If Turbine wants to kill LotRO off, terrible customer service like that would be the trick. :P I know if I was testing the game out, I sure wouldn't want to give them any money if I was frequently kicked off so someone else could play in my "spot" instead. Doubly so if I was a Premium user... just because Premiums don't spend a monthly subscription fee doesn't mean that they don't spend as much money on the game as VIP users.

Either way, with the new hardware upgrades coming, these issues should be resolved so everyone should just hold onto their hats for the time being.

[Amarantha]

I would argue that people like myself who were willing to plop down for the lifetime years ago are more likely to spend real money in the store. Of course this is just my opinion but I am sure I am not alone.

Not alone, I've spent the cost of my lifetime membership many times over buying TP.

[Grumpum]

Maybe you should get a clue yourself first.
Everything he said is true, you can check how the login/client startup process works for yourself.

You have also been corrected by those who would operate the systems, and, of course, been reported.

SNy

No, I havent been told by anyone who knows anything. I already said I have done the programming and KNOW. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Troll. report me all you want but when your information or so-called info is wrong, your reporting yourself.

You log in and that server determines you are VIP, premium or F2P. That login server should have reserved space on the game server FOR VIPs(lifers... whatever) That is your gateway and your gateway controls it all. I realize Turbine rents server space for the worlds. I realize there are issues with the world servers. That doesnt detract from the login server that should have programming that reserves a number of spaces for the VIPs. If F2P are getting into Brandy and VIPs are not(which is what was happening) then some one didnt program something right or the world server isnt sharing information with the login server that let's it know that no more premium or f2p until some people log out of the game.

I have the degrees on the wall. I have done the work. And while this is a simplistic explanation, it is enough of one to let you understand that you're on the wrong side of this discussion. I dont know exactly where the programming is wrong, but it's not working as advertised. From the time of no hard drives and having to load the OS into the 5 1/4 floppy every time you started your computer to now, I have been dealing with computers. Dont sit there and try and tell me I dont know what the issue is.

I dont care who's fault it is. Blame is not required. All that is needed is that the problem be fixed.

[Aranglas]

No, I havent been told by anyone who knows anything. I already said I have done the programming and KNOW. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Troll. report me all you want but when your information or so-called info is wrong, your reporting yourself.

You log in and that server determines you are VIP, premium or F2P. That login server should have reserved space on the game server FOR VIPs(lifers... whatever) That is your gateway and your gateway controls it all. I realize Turbine rents server space for the worlds. I realize there are issues with the world servers. That doesnt detract from the login server that should have programming that reserves a number of spaces for the VIPs. If F2P are getting into Brandy and VIPs are not(which is what was happening) then some one didnt program something right or the world server isnt sharing information with the login server that let's it know that no more premium or f2p until some people log out of the game.

I have the degrees on the wall. I have done the work. And while this is a simplistic explanation, it is enough of one to let you understand that you're on the wrong side of this discussion. I dont know exactly where the programming is wrong, but it's not working as advertised. From the time of no hard drives and having to load the OS into the 5 1/4 floppy every time you started your computer to now, I have been dealing with computers. Dont sit there and try and tell me I dont know what the issue is.

I dont care who's fault it is. Blame is not required. All that is needed is that the problem be fixed.

Wow ! Seriously you are rude, holding yourself in high-regard and insulting anyone who has a different view than yours. You claim to be an "adult" yet your ability to converse politely with others is worse than that of an 8-year old.

And stop boasting about your degrees. Because you know what ..... nobody cares.

Reported as well. Use your "adult" brain and think twice before you insult someone like an immature child.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

What's with all this nonsense about reporting Grumpum? I don't see anything wrong with his posts. Is the old CM now back in post and we've reverted to the old behaviours of reporting people who have done nothing more than criticise Turbine? Perhaps people should log off, go outside and get some fresh air!!

[Firgrim]

What's with all this nonsense about reporting Grumpum? I don't see anything wrong with his posts. Is the old CM now back in post and we've reverted to the old behaviours of reporting people who have done nothing more than criticize Turbine? Perhaps people should log off, go outside and get some fresh air!!

Agreed on the nonsense of reporting or threatening to report, but some appear to be arguing the wrong side of the issue. The real issue causing the OP was a problem with the login server, not a lack of "player slots" or capacity.

This problem has happened before, Turbine kicked a gremlin, and it was fine. Now it's happened again, Turbine reiterated what the actual issue was, but people are still railing about expectations of login priority.

[monk_tbd]

No, I havent been told by anyone who knows anything. I already said I have done the programming and KNOW. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Troll. report me all you want but when your information or so-called info is wrong, your reporting yourself.

[snip]

I have the degrees on the wall. I have done the work. And while this is a simplistic explanation, it is enough of one to let you understand that you're on the wrong side of this discussion. I dont know exactly where the programming is wrong, but it's not working as advertised. From the time of no hard drives and having to load the OS into the 5 1/4 floppy every time you started your computer to now, I have been dealing with computers. Dont sit there and try and tell me I dont know what the issue is.

Lol.

You probably don't know that you just quoted the person who wrote the main part of the login script for Lotro under Linux.
So when SNY tells me how the login system works in Lotro then I trust him much more than any number of degrees that might be on your wall unless you worked for Turbine and did write the login system yourself. But even then - I saw, read and used SNY's script and it works.

And SNY basically just said that the previous guy you pretty rudely told he has no clue actually got it all right with respect to the login system.


No one is saying that VIP login queues cannot be done. Everyone knows that it can.
People (and a even a blue name) are telling you that the problem you saw was NOT a VIP queue problem but a general login server problem.
But reading comprehension should have been needed for getting the degrees on your wall so I do not understand why you did not realize what was being talked about.

This has nothing to do whatsoever whether the VIP login queue system works or not. It might very well be broken or non functional. But what you are complaining about was not because of the login queue system being broken or not.

[GregJL]

Hmm...I'm VIP & haven't had an issue at all. Maybe they just don't like you very much.

Can't understand why.

[GregJL]

Playing music has nothing to do with RP. Now if someone puts on /rp and starts going off in chat about some made up story about their origin and their history, now that is RP.

To which I might add, they are perfectly within their rights to do, regardless of whether the server has a role-play designation or not.

[SNy-lotrolinux-EU]

I already said I have done the programming and KNOW.

Right. That must be it. You KNOW. Except you don't.

You log in and that server determines you are VIP, premium or F2P. That login server should have reserved space on the game server FOR VIPs(lifers... whatever) That is your gateway and your gateway controls it all.

You clearly haven't taken a look and don't know the first thing about how the process works. It's right there, freely accessible on the net. You can look it up. It's not difficult. Spares you from appearing as a fool, too.

I have the degrees on the wall. I have done the work. And while this is a simplistic explanation, it is enough of one to let you understand that you're on the wrong side of this discussion.

You should REALLY look up how the process works to stop embarassing yourself.

SNy

Edit:

Dont sit there and try and tell me I dont know what the issue is.

Funnily enough, I do sit here and I do tell you that you don't know what the issue is.

[Duke_Darkwood]

Okay, I'll admit I am not 100% clear on the privilege, but I had thought that the priority thing meant "priority in login queue", not "we reserve the right to kick off Free Account people who are already logged in to make way for the Chosen VIPs".

I am a VIP myself, and even I don't think it would be a good idea for the latter practice to exist.

Don't really want to touch this argument, but it did bring me to this question, on the exact status of this "priority" privilege.

[KM3161]

Okay, I'll admit I am not 100% clear on the privilege, but I had thought that the priority thing meant "priority in login queue", not "we reserve the right to kick off Free Account people who are already logged in to make way for the Chosen VIPs".

I am a VIP myself, and even I don't think it would be a good idea for the latter practice to exist.

Don't really want to touch this argument, but it did bring me to this question, on the exact status of this "priority" privilege.

That's exactly what it means. VIP jumps ahead of f2p in the login queue. Not vip wants to login so kick a f2p off the server to make room.
If there is 1 available spot on the server world then VIP gets to login to it before f2p.
If there is no spot available on the server world the VIP goes ahead of f2p for the next available spot when someone logs out.
If there are 3 f2p players already waiting for an available spot and a VIP tries to login then the VIP jumps ahead of the f2p in the waiting line.(login queue)
a queue is just that-a line.

of course that is the simplified explanation.

[FyreBrand]

No, I havent been told by anyone who knows anything. I already said I have done the programming and KNOW. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Troll. report me all you want but when your information or so-called info is wrong, your reporting yourself.

You log in and that server determines you are VIP, premium or F2P. That login server should have reserved space on the game server FOR VIPs(lifers... whatever) That is your gateway and your gateway controls it all. I realize Turbine rents server space for the worlds. I realize there are issues with the world servers. That doesnt detract from the login server that should have programming that reserves a number of spaces for the VIPs. If F2P are getting into Brandy and VIPs are not(which is what was happening) then some one didnt program something right or the world server isnt sharing information with the login server that let's it know that no more premium or f2p until some people log out of the game.

I have the degrees on the wall. I have done the work. And while this is a simplistic explanation, it is enough of one to let you understand that you're on the wrong side of this discussion. I dont know exactly where the programming is wrong, but it's not working as advertised. From the time of no hard drives and having to load the OS into the 5 1/4 floppy every time you started your computer to now, I have been dealing with computers. Dont sit there and try and tell me I dont know what the issue is.

I dont care who's fault it is. Blame is not required. All that is needed is that the problem be fixed.

The queue system works. If you're VIP and in the login server queue you will authenticate before non-VIP members.

The VIP system doesn't reserve space on servers. It has never reserved space by design. It authenticates by priority with VIP having priority.

Once a player is logged in they aren't kicked from the server unless they trigger the AFK timer. It first kicks the player to the character selection screen and then off the server.

The problem you had isn't with VIP status or queues. Frelorn explained, and it's been this way for a long time, the login servers, which are different from the game or chat servers, sometimes get into a bad state. No one can login until the servers are bounced.

Who knows if it will get fixed or can get fixed without completely refactoring the code. It may not be worth the effort and expense. It does seem to happen a lot more on the server cluster that Brandywine was on. Glad I'm not on Brandy.

There also haven't been real login queues in ages, since like the Second Age.

[HyperInsane]

No, I havent been told by anyone who knows anything. I already said I have done the programming and KNOW. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Troll. report me all you want but when your information or so-called info is wrong, your reporting yourself.

You log in and that server determines you are VIP, premium or F2P. That login server should have reserved space on the game server FOR VIPs(lifers... whatever) That is your gateway and your gateway controls it all. I realize Turbine rents server space for the worlds. I realize there are issues with the world servers. That doesnt detract from the login server that should have programming that reserves a number of spaces for the VIPs. If F2P are getting into Brandy and VIPs are not(which is what was happening) then some one didnt program something right or the world server isnt sharing information with the login server that let's it know that no more premium or f2p until some people log out of the game.

I have the degrees on the wall. I have done the work. And while this is a simplistic explanation, it is enough of one to let you understand that you're on the wrong side of this discussion. I dont know exactly where the programming is wrong, but it's not working as advertised. From the time of no hard drives and having to load the OS into the 5 1/4 floppy every time you started your computer to now, I have been dealing with computers. Dont sit there and try and tell me I dont know what the issue is.

I dont care who's fault it is. Blame is not required. All that is needed is that the problem be fixed.

All those degrees and you still can't seem to comprehend it's not a VIP/Prem/F2P issue - rather a client/login server issue.