Ithil Closure

[SniperCT]

True, but they are going more with small in between regular updates now, so the can string this out that way. Not that it matters, when the LS is the same level as the Live Worlds, people won't bother with it so much as it will be no different to playing on a live world.

I've come to the decision to leave, but I'm not paying for it. I'll grind my way off it, for no cost, and then leave the rest behind and abandon the server completely. Will take about 8 days, so I'll pick a month to do it, and get out that way. I have more than enough LP to leave instantly, but I'm not using those. I'll grind specifically on Anor at my chosen month - to get off Anor.

No different then playing on a live world except with a debuff to leveling XP.

Good luck, I lack the patience to grind like that for even one character, let alone the 32.5k I'd need for 13! (and bare minimum I'd want to move off 4 of them)

I keep saying it, but I wouldn't even be upset if ithil was Ithil>Anor only and not Ithil>anywhere like they did. Because that at least would have made sense.

[Braer]

There was this guy doing a three card trick on the street. I watched for a while and I could spot where the queen was every time. The lad playing was making a tenner most times but he didn't look too smart. When he left I had a go, was up fifty and the nutter offered to up the stakes. The fool! So I moved my chars to Arnor.

[Sibe]

I'm actually quite surprised that they are allowing transfers from legendary servers to regular servers and not only from Ithil to Anor. It is nice, though. I had two characters on Ithil that are now moving to Laurelin, where almost all my characters are. It kind of feels like getting them home. I really like my characters to be in one place, even if it means too many character slots to spend points to. Sadly I can't get my oldest toon from Gladden with the others, so I don't really play her anymore. I'm such a loner and soloer, so it really doesn't matter where my characters are. At least it doesn't matter anymore, since there are no less populated EU servers to move my characters to.

To me legendary servers were not so big deal after all, even though I was very thrilled when they first came. Since there was really not that big difference between regular servers, I kind of left my characters there and just played on Laurelin instead. At least for me there was no big difference, but I know some other players feel the opposite. It must have been nice to build new kinships, friendships and server's own community and experience new content together with others. I feel sorry for those in Ithil, who are feeling that they are losing something that's built there, when server is closing. I hope they will feel welcome to where ever they decide to transfer their toons.

[Quazi-moto]

Curious why this hasn't been noted.

You can transfer from legendary to US and, wait for it ... EU servers.


So all the hubris about US and EU servers not being able to connect, is won't, not can't.

[Arnenna]

Curious why this hasn't been noted.

You can transfer from legendary to US and, wait for it ... EU servers.


So all the hubris about US and EU servers not being able to connect, is won't, not can't.

The legendary servers are compatible with both. The EU and US servers are not compatible with each other.

[Flaxie]

Curious why this hasn't been noted.

You can transfer from legendary to US and, wait for it ... EU servers.


So all the hubris about US and EU servers not being able to connect, is won't, not can't.

That's not the take-away I got when I read the actual bulletin.
They specifically said that the LS's didn't have the same problem as the live servers as far as US/EU transfers.
I would guess that there is something different in the way they are set up as they originally intended for people
to be able to transfer off eventually, and people would likely want to move to their own server, be it US or EU.

[Cordovan]

Curious why this hasn't been noted.

You can transfer from legendary to US and, wait for it ... EU servers.


So all the hubris about US and EU servers not being able to connect, is won't, not can't.

We've stated this elsewhere, but it is indeed a can't. This is also why, once you move your character from Ithil to either a U.S. or European game world, you can then no longer switch between US/EU servers. Ithil is free of the restriction as it was created more recently, but the restriction is in place forever most likely between the historical EU and US game worlds.

For those who are unfamiliar, there is a fundamental tech restriction between the old European worlds and the old U.S. worlds due to the way the servers were created way back in the day, and it means that the characters created on the one region are fundamentally incompatible with the other region. The way Anor and Ithil (and Bombadil during that event) were created puts them above that issue, so the restriction only applies once and if a character is sent to one of the historic game worlds.

[istvana]

Forgive an obvious question - but does this mean that transfers from either the European servers or the American servers to either Ithil or Anor are impossible. Something you cannot do not merely that you do not want to do. So that transfers into either Ithil or Anor are only possible coming from the other?

If transfers from either side of the pond *into* a legendary server are possible because there was a conversion mechanism built in, this necessarily means that transfers between the American and European servers are possible using a two-step process.

[Saruman_Of_Numbers]

If transfers from either side of the pond *into* a legendary server are possible...

they are clearly not

[Cordovan]

Forgive an obvious question - but does this mean that transfers from either the European servers or the American servers to either Ithil or Anor are impossible. Something you cannot do not merely that you do not want to do. So that transfers into either Ithil or Anor are only possible coming from the other?

If transfers from either side of the pond *into* a legendary server are possible because there was a conversion mechanism built in, this necessarily means that transfers between the American and European servers are possible using a two-step process.

We have no plans to allow for players to bring non-Legendary characters to a Legendary world, but theoretically if we did do that then the restriction would not be in place. Of course your character would face the restriction if they ever tried to transfer off of the Legendary World again, but if it was just one-way to a Legendary World that would be possible without a geographic issue.

[Quazi-moto]

We've stated this elsewhere, but it is indeed a can't. This is also why, once you move your character from Ithil to either a U.S. or European game world, you can then no longer switch between US/EU servers. Ithil is free of the restriction as it was created more recently, but the restriction is in place forever most likely between the historical EU and US game worlds.

For those who are unfamiliar, there is a fundamental tech restriction between the old European worlds and the old U.S. worlds due to the way the servers were created way back in the day, and it means that the characters created on the one region are fundamentally incompatible with the other region. The way Anor and Ithil (and Bombadil during that event) were created puts them above that issue, so the restriction only applies once and if a character is sent to one of the historic game worlds.

I do appreciate the response. I will assume that the "upgrade" that the legendary servers have are not able to be brought to the older servers without wiping the data.

Thanks for putting time into this topic, and explaining.

[istvana]

So transferring to a legendary world would not "cure" the coding issues that prevent jumping the pond in either direction. Only characters created on the legendary world are free of the restriction. Thanks for the quick reply.

[BentoIce]

Basically, Kin Leader abandons Kin house, transfers first. Everyone else transfers after the kin leader has logged in, and they all are autojoined into the kin.

It's kind of super unfair because you lose 10 writs when you abandon a kinhouse.

This is entirely unacceptable because those writs are worth a lot of real life money and we are getting 0 answers from the community manager and devs about recompensation.

They've just announced that Ithil owners will get 100% refund, and if you already moved, you have to put in a ticket. I learned that this is one of the in-game tickets (got an automated reply to my website ticket saying to submit in-game instead), so unfortunately, you do wind up playing tag with GMs on the matter. Not ideal, but better than being forced to pay again to make up the difference.

Is this "100% refund" referring to KIN premium housing or just PERSONAL premium housing? I have two premium kin houses on Ithil, and this is really important for me to know. Do I abandon the premium kin houses and suffer the monetary loss, or just transfer the kin leader characters and the appropriate number of kin housing writs will be automatically allocated to that character? Or will I lose the entire cost of each premium kin house if I transfer the kin-owner character without abandoning the kin house first? Thanks in advance for any clarification.

[Cordovan]

Is this "100% refund" referring to KIN premium housing or just PERSONAL premium housing? I have two premium kin houses on Ithil, and this is really important for me to know. Do I abandon the premium kin houses and suffer the monetary loss, or just transfer the kin leader characters and the appropriate number of kin housing writs will be automatically allocated to that character? Or will I lose the entire cost of each premium kin house if I transfer the kin-owner character without abandoning the kin house first? Thanks in advance for any clarification.

On Ithil - ALL premium houses will refund 100% of the house cost in writs when you sell. So this will apply to both kin and personal homes. Note that kin leaders must abandon or sell their homes in order to be able to successfully transfer from Ithil.

[Evodius]

On Ithil - ALL premium houses will refund 100% of the house cost in writs when you sell. So this will apply to both kin and personal homes. Note that kin leaders must abandon or sell their homes in order to be able to successfully transfer from Ithil.

Any chance of making this a permanent feature? Most other MMOs with premium housing, even if you unsub, you can still have your premium house when you get back and you don't have to pay the like $15-30 bucks to buy more writs for something we already paid for.

I get a penalty for gold-purchased houses, but a penalty on something we actually bought already?

[BentoIce]

On Ithil - ALL premium houses will refund 100% of the house cost in writs when you sell. So this will apply to both kin and personal homes. Note that kin leaders must abandon or sell their homes in order to be able to successfully transfer from Ithil.

Thank you for the clarification, much appreciated! Also appreciate getting full credit for both personal and kin premium housing, especially since leaving the server is not what some of us wished for. We were, in fact, hoping to avoid it forever! =D

[Raninia]

Any chance of making this a permanent feature? Most other MMOs with premium housing, even if you unsub, you can still have your premium house when you get back and you don't have to pay the like $15-30 bucks to buy more writs for something we already paid for.

I get a penalty for gold-purchased houses, but a penalty on something we actually bought already?

We're hoping to look at housing - and improving the system generally - as a focus for next year. I'll make a note for us to think about this aspect as well!

[BentoIce]

I have another question on character transfer, regarding Rohan housing Halters. I assume (!!) we keep whatever mount deco we already made from the Halters. Do we keep the unused halters listed in our account Wallet? Do we get the full allotment of Halters when we purchase new premium house(s) on the new server? Or do we lose whatever halters are currently unused? Are we then allocated new Halters according to the type of premium house(s) we purchase on the new server?

tldnr; How exactly does the transfer work with unused Halters when we transfer account items to another server?

[Braer]

I have another question on character transfer, regarding Rohan housing Halters. I assume (!!) we keep whatever mount deco we already made from the Halters. Do we keep the unused halters listed in our account Wallet? Do we get the full allotment of Halters when we purchase new premium house(s) on the new server? Or do we lose whatever halters are currently unused? Are we then allocated new Halters according to the type of premium house(s) we purchase on the new server?

tldnr; How exactly does the transfer work with unused Halters when we transfer account items to another server?

Unused halters are just another wallet currency, should be as safe as any other currency. The mount decorations are now just decorations so default escrow mechanics in play.

My guess is that you'll end up with the five and eight additional halters provided in the new purchases. I imagine others are keeping quiet about their windfall. Unlikely that this level of risk assessment was to the fore and it will soon be "made" intended, vs a heap of addition work.

[BentoIce]

Unused halters are just another wallet currency, should be as safe as any other currency. The mount decorations are now just decorations so default escrow mechanics in play.

My guess is that you'll end up with the five and eight additional halters provided in the new purchases. I imagine others are keeping quiet about their windfall. Unlikely that this level of risk assessment was to the fore and it will soon be "made" intended, vs a heap of addition work.

Thanks for responding Braer, my assessment agrees with yours, just hope we're right. The work involved in determining what premium Rohan housing was purchased in the past, and calculating that against what might be purchased in future to get an accurate halter count, seems like a task not worth doing. Especially when halters are account-bound, meaning mutiple house purchases would need to be accounted for. Not to mention that real-world money is nearly always spent to purchase these properties, so a few extra halters bonus doesn't seem like a big deal. Some of my halters are unused, and I'm not prepared to convert them to deco yet, so I guess all there is to do now is make the transfers and find out!

[Braer]

Thanks for responding Braer, my assessment agrees with yours, just hope we're right. The work involved in determining what premium Rohan housing was purchased in the past, and calculating that against what might be purchased in future to get an accurate halter count, seems like a task not worth doing. Especially when halters are account-bound, meaning mutiple house purchases would need to be accounted for. Not to mention that real-world money is nearly always spent to purchase these properties, so a few extra halters bonus doesn't seem like a big deal. Some of my halters are unused, and I'm not prepared to convert them to deco yet, so I guess all there is to do now is make the transfers and find out!

You're welcome.

Because halters disappear into the wallet on purchase they are easy to miss, especially when a player's focus is elsewhere. Players will likely discover them in their own time, they are extraneous to available hitching posts after all, so will perhaps be struggling to account for them in months to come. Some will carry the "guilt" forward others the besting of the "man". No just a consequence of resources.

You could wait for a blue confirmation...

[BentoIce]

You're welcome.

Because halters disappear into the wallet on purchase they are easy to miss, especially when a player's focus is elsewhere. Players will likely discover them in their own time, they are extraneous to available hitching posts after all, so will perhaps be struggling to account for them in months to come. Some will carry the "guilt" forward others the besting of the "man". No just a consequence of resources.

You could wait for a blue confirmation...

We were anxious to get started in our new home, so after parties and goodbyes on Ithil, made the transfer. Everything worked beautifully! Both Kin houses returned original purchase price in writs, no problem there. As for halters, we had a few unused, and these stayed in our Wallet. On purchasing new properties, appropriate numbers of halters were added to the total. I checked with other kinnies and they all reported same - quick transfers and all went well. Thanks devs!

The biggest problem now is untangling the mess of combining accounts on different servers into one. We didn't have near as much stuff when the big merge of 2015 happened! Hopefully someday account merges will see like items automatically combined into stacks, without having to hand move and combine. But all in all, the move went smoothly and nothing (so far as anyone can tell) was lost.

Hope the move goes smoothly for everyone!