What will happen to (relic master) shards?

[BigLotroFan]

Will shards be of any use in the LI system? They aren't that useful today but you can still do a few things with them. Will this remain or go away? Will the ability to get shards go away as well?

I collect as many shards as I can. Just because. I wonder if this little hobby will end or if I can keep collecting lol

[Jargonaut]

It's not just the relics. We have an enormous investment in the old LI system. Some of it is currencies like Shards or Khuzdul Tablets, some of it is crafting items. Will all of these crafting items and currencies be somehow converted to the new system? (Even this is probably not a complete list..)

[Worn/Tarnished/Flawed/Blemished] Symbol of Celebrimbor
[Worn/Tarnished/Flawed/Blemished] Symbol of the Elder King

[Lesser/Westfold/Riddermark/Eorlingas/Anfalas] Crystal of Remembrance

[Riddermark/Eorlingas/Anfalas] Star-Lit Crystal

[Lesser/Greater/Riddermark/Eorlings/Anfalas] Scroll of Empowerment

Bright Emblems of Nimrodel
Khuzdul Tablets
Rusted Dwarf Tools

'Relics' still in the Relic master
'Shards' still in the Relic master

Edit: Definitely not complete! I forgot what is probably the largest occupier of most of our vaults, IXP runes!
At least IXP runes have already been stated to have some sort of 'trade in' value...

[Cordovan]

Very few of the old ingredients will directly apply to new Legendary Items, although we are working on trade-in plans for many of the more valuable old ingredients to be traded in for an equivalent ingredient under the new system.

[maartena]

There is also all the crafted LI's.

We have recipes for LI's from level 65 to level 100, and the only reason people would get a Weaponsmith or Woodworker up to Westemnet Guilded was because of the demand for level 100 Legendary Weapons. I opened a topic on this, but there is no reply as to what the plan is for those. I would be upset if they are completely gone as there are some really nice cosmetics among them....

[Belechael]

There is also all the crafted LI's.

We have recipes for LI's from level 65 to level 100, and the only reason people would get a Weaponsmith or Woodworker up to Westemnet Guilded was because of the demand for level 100 Legendary Weapons. I opened a topic on this, but there is no reply as to what the plan is for those. I would be upset if they are completely gone as there are some really nice cosmetics among them....

And don't forget the crafted relics which are obviously replaced by one of the traceries. Can that tracery be crafted under the new system? that would be nice for us crafters!

[Devolved]

Lots of questions yet. It's early.

Just gonna point out the hopefully obvious case that the more old ingredients that can be traded for new stuff, the better the New Thing™ will be received. Having to throw away a half backpack of crafted shards/ingredients of some sort leaves a bitter taste that sometimes never goes away. (Referring to a DDO thing.)

[Braer]

Thornley's Work Site for the recycling centre? Or pages of barter options one click at a time. Or drag and drop that caps Ancient Scripts in one.

I'd choose the trade tech to load the item stack you want to exchange and see the IoL equivalents (or just the Ancient Scripts) appear so when satisfied hit the trade button. Maybe have the effective Script total displayed too. The wallet items are going to need a one click barter lacking the split stack tech. Where we have a choice of item to get, standard barter UI.

Then we might get the crash on trade looked at. Before adoption.

[OghranNasty]

There is also all the crafted LI's.

We have recipes for LI's from level 65 to level 100, and the only reason people would get a Weaponsmith or Woodworker up to Westemnet Guilded was because of the demand for level 100 Legendary Weapons. I opened a topic on this, but there is no reply as to what the plan is for those. I would be upset if they are completely gone as there are some really nice cosmetics among them....

I read a comment from Raninia that the old ILIs would remain functional for a while, but eventually probably fade into a cosmetic item. So if the cosmetic aspect is your worry there is reason for optimism.

[maartena]

I read a comment from Raninia that the old ILIs would remain functional for a while, but eventually probably fade into a cosmetic item. So if the cosmetic aspect is your worry there is reason for optimism.

That is only part of it.

I feel like crafting is getting a major blow. It's almost not worth it anymore to craft except for the lower levels. Crafting already was severely neglected before this, and now the crafting of LI's and relics has been removed, which makes crafting in this game for anything above level 75 or so utterly useless. I think people have been complaining about crafting for YEARS and how it is just not fun or even useful after level 100.

With the LI removal, it becomes even more useless. And I love crafting. It is one of the reasons I went back to Treebeard, the crafting in the early levels is perfect (well, close to as good it should be), and then it got neglected..... And SSG doesn't seem to have the capacity to do something about it either. It is one of those "something we'd like to do" things that will just remain shelved for a few more years until we've forgotten about crafting.....

Also, Moria LI's are going to be gone. All vendors for the LI's have been removed from Bullroarer already, and the Emblem of Nimrodel is now useless. Something else NOT to look forward to when Treebeard gets to Moria..... Moria raid rewards are now reduced to a chance on a turtle head and a few random weapons that no one wants.

I like the new LI system from what I have seen of it, there is certainly a lot of polishing that needs to be done, but I am sure it will be ready for live in time for Gundabad...... but I hate how it rips out everything old with little or no consequence. I want my 1st Age Moria cosmetic weapons when Treebeard gets there in December or so.....

[Harvain]

SSG did say they wanted to "shake up the table".

It'll take a while before the table is set up again.

[Braer]

I read a comment from Raninia that the old ILIs would remain functional for a while, but eventually probably fade into a cosmetic item. So if the cosmetic aspect is your worry there is reason for optimism.

Functional as in we can fight with them but if the means of obtaining them are being removed already (Dolven View barter) then perhaps also the means to advance them. Did we get back the re-forge functionality in BR#2?

The notion of a UI for stripping down the separate elements of an ILI and leaving us something in our in our pack at the end might be too much to ask. Our maxed out ILIs might be all the resources we have to fund the replacement.

Clear some Wardrobe space and go trade/find each of those choice looking items that your next reroll can use. It you want to retain the looks of currently used ILIs grab some mats and a symbol and craft/trade anew for the wardrobe or place it in there now. Bane of Forvengwath best choice bow in my book though.

Sadly not helpful to LS. But the early game had some fine looking weaponry. The swan and ice cream looks never endeared me to 100 first age.

[HeathenMetalDad]

Let’s not forget that apart from essence reclamation scrolls, one of the only worthwhile items from skirmish camps are the empowerment scrolls. We should have an advancement method through skirmish camps as well under the new system. I’d prefer a non-bound item personally, but I suppose beggars can’t be choosers

[Harvain]

Let’s not forget that apart from essence reclamation scrolls, one of the only worthwhile items from skirmish camps are the empowerment scrolls. We should have an advancement method through skirmish camps as well under the new system. I’d prefer a non-bound item personally, but I suppose beggars can’t be choosers

We won't have many things at the start. It'll be sometime in 2022 when the New LI System will be fleshed out enough akin to the System it is replacing.