Relics of Gundabad. Just checking -- WAI?

[egarthur]

In the BR previews, relics of gundabad (for Zhélruka allegiance rep/points) dropped from Zhélruka mission end-chests. As many as 3 from a single chest, for 3K of allegiance rep/points. This seemed consistent with the Mordor-expac allegiances, where daily quests (once unlocked) award "last alliance" relics, which can be consumed for allegiance rep/points.

Now, on release, it appears those Zhélruka mission end-chests don't drop relics of gundabad any more.

Working As Intended?

Certainly relics of gundabad, of higher denominations, are awarded from the "missions of gundabad" daily and weekly wrappers. And for 50 mountain-marks, one can barter for a single 1K relic of gundabad. But it seems like a dramatic slowing of allegiance progression, compared to what was shown on BR. It also means that progression of the Zhélruka allegiance is likely to be slower than for any of the Mordor-expac allegiances. So, I'm just checking... WAI?

[egarthur]

In the BR previews, relics of gundabad (for Zhélruka allegiance rep/points) dropped from Zhélruka mission end-chests. As many as 3 from a single chest, for 3K of allegiance rep/points. This seemed consistent with the Mordor-expac allegiances, where daily quests (once unlocked) award "last alliance" relics, which can be consumed for allegiance rep/points.

Now, on release, it appears those Zhélruka mission end-chests don't drop relics of gundabad any more.

Working As Intended?

Certainly relics of gundabad, of higher denominations, are awarded from the "missions of gundabad" daily and weekly wrappers. And for 50 mountain-marks, one can barter for a single 1K relic of gundabad. But it seems like a dramatic slowing of allegiance progression, compared to what was shown on BR. It also means that progression of the Zhélruka allegiance is likely to be slower than for any of the Mordor-expac allegiances. So, I'm just checking... WAI?

As a follow-on to my own post... It seems like something strange is going on with relics of gundabad. See screenshot below. After acquiring a "pristine" relic from the daily wrapper, I consume it, the tooltip clearly states that it is worth 2000 allegiance points. Yet, only 1000 points is credited towards my allegiance progress.



(Since I can't see my image in the preview pane, here is the link: https://imgur.com/gallery/epSYD1i)

If even the daily relic awards are only being credited at a rate of 50%, progress with the Zhélruka allegiance is going to be even slower...

EDIT: it was actually a "preserved" (2000-point) relic, not "pristine". I haven't tried a "pristine" one yet, and I'm not sure I want to risk that many allegiance points.

[legotho]

As a follow-on to my own post... It seems like something strange is going on with relics of gundabad. See screenshot below. After acquiring a "pristine" relic from the daily wrapper, I consume it, the tooltip clearly states that it is worth 2000 allegiance points. Yet, only 1000 points is credited towards my allegiance progress.

I got the same "1000 points from a 2000 point relic"

[daemonied]

I got the same "1000 points from a 2000 point relic"

Same here, I assume it's a bug. I also noticed that the allegiance missions don't count for the weekly "On a mission" quest.

[Raninia]

This is a bug, the tooltip is the issue I believe. We're working on a fix.

[oggbnvwnyc]

This is a bug, the tooltip is the issue I believe. We're working on a fix.

Scary: the "Producer" evidently doesn't even know the rep values those items should give as he just "believes" the tooltip is the only bug.

[Braer]

Could it be anything to do with how previous Allegiances worked, after the first one it took more to advance subsequent ones?

I don't expect anyone at SSG has completed any of them or they might not have thought it was a good mechanic to return too. Don't mind a tangential quest line but not wrapped up to make it a pain.

[Raninia]

Scary: the "Producer" evidently doesn't even know the rep values those items should give as he just "believes" the tooltip is the only bug.

Yep. Happy Halloween!

Could it be anything to do with how previous Allegiances worked, after the first one it took more to advance subsequent ones?

I don't expect anyone at SSG has completed any of them or they might not have thought it was a good mechanic to return too. Don't mind a tangential quest line but not wrapped up to make it a pain.

We're looking into it, but I suspect it's because we made some changes to Allegiance item values and just neglected to update the tooltip.

[egarthur]

Yep. Happy Halloween!



We're looking into it, but I suspect it's because we made some changes to Allegiance item values and just neglected to update the tooltip.

Sorry to keep harping on this, but every time I look at it, I see even more erroneous behavior...

Yesterday, as I documented in the screenshot, I used a 2000-point relic, but ended up at only 1000/1405 for my alliegance progress.

Today, after doing some missions, I levelled to 131 (hold your applause, thank you), upon which time the Zhélruka 5-mission daily instantly became available (it wasn't before I levelled). That is odd, in and of itself.

Finishing that daily, I used another 2000-point relic. Now, my allegiance progress shows 1095/1395. So, arithmetically, a 2000-point relic only added 95 points to what I had yesterday, but at the same time the absolute number of points to attain allegiance level 2 declined from 1405 to 1395. Is that because I levelled? Higher character level means easier to progress allegiances? I'm not sure I understand that logic.

I'll also note in passing that on the tooltip, the spelling of the preserved relic's name is "Preserved Relic Gundabad". The word "of" is missing, even though it is present for "Pristine Relic of Gundabad" and "Relic of Gundabad". Thus, the naming is inconsistent, and frankly, jarring. Not a major issue compared to the arithmetical anomalies, however...

So, to recap:
Day 1: using a 2000-point relic put me at 1000/1405
Day 2: using another 2000-point relic, along with levelling to 131, put me at 1095/1395

Very odd...

[CaerArianrhod]

Sorry to keep harping on this, but every time I look at it, I see even more erroneous behavior...

Yesterday, as I documented in the screenshot, I used a 2000-point relic, but ended up at only 1000/1405 for my alliegance progress.

Today, after doing some missions, I levelled to 131 (hold your applause, thank you), upon which time the Zhélruka 5-mission daily instantly became available (it wasn't before I levelled). That is odd, in and of itself.

Finishing that daily, I used another 2000-point relic. Now, my allegiance progress shows 1095/1395. So, arithmetically, a 2000-point relic only added 95 points to what I had yesterday, but at the same time the absolute number of points to attain allegiance level 2 declined from 1405 to 1395. Is that because I levelled? Higher character level means easier to progress allegiances? I'm not sure I understand that logic.

I'll also note in passing that on the tooltip, the spelling of the preserved relic's name is "Preserved Relic Gundabad". The word "of" is missing, even though it is present for "Pristine Relic of Gundabad" and "Relic of Gundabad". Thus, the naming is inconsistent, and frankly, jarring. Not a major issue compared to the arithmetical anomalies, however...

So, to recap:
Day 1: using a 2000-point relic put me at 1000/1405
Day 2: using another 2000-point relic, along with levelling to 131, put me at 1095/1395

Very odd...

Not only that but you get at level 132/134 fancy 6 EXP for finishing a mission itself (loot the box at the end) and another 1000 EXP if you finish the mission quest. Not a big issue at all, but seems as the reward for the gundabad missions would be frozen around level 20.

[Suzina]

Scary: the "Producer" evidently doesn't even know the rep values those items should give as he just "believes" the tooltip is the only bug.

Not really scary. It's not like the producer is the one who decided "I'll make it 1k". It's a team effort and who knows what the person in charge of that decided.

[oggbnvwnyc]

Not really scary. It's not like the producer is the one who decided "I'll make it 1k". It's a team effort and who knows what the person in charge of that decided.

Are you really telling me it's the norm for a producer to not know the scope and in-depth details of the project he's working on and overseeing?
Get real.

To broaden your horizon: the explanation given by the producer of FFXIV as to why the expansion will be delayed by 2 weeks, and I quote:
> However, as we neared the end of development and I played through everything—from quests to battle content and the like—I just couldn’t contain my desire to further improve Endwalker’s quality...

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5ce5b1eab136ee

Meanwhile Lotro's "producer" quite apparently hasn't even played the game, nor does he know something as small as the correct values of rep items for their new allegiance system introduced with Gundabad, or else he wouldn't have to fumble around that it might just be the tooltip which is bugged, right?
And SSG overall evidently has 0 desire to chase quality, right?

[Arnenna]

This is a bug, the tooltip is the issue I believe. We're working on a fix.

Are you saying that the tooltip should say 1000 rep, rather than the reward should be 2000 rep as the tooltip states?


Slowing down allegiance reputation to a 1000 rep points per day crawl, especially on a mission system that no longer awards the usual weekly mission wrappers that players are used to getting is going to make this new mission system about as popular as Epic Battles.

[Thurinuor]

Are you saying that the tooltip should say 1000 rep, rather than the reward should be 2000 rep as the tooltip states?


Slowing down allegiance reputation to a 1000 rep points per day crawl, especially on a mission system that no longer awards the usual weekly mission wrappers that players are used to getting is going to make this new mission system about as popular as Epic Battles.

The weekly mission wrapper is probably a bug. It's not said that it does not come back with the next hotfix.

For me 1000 is okay because I will play the missions anyway.

[Braer]

I'm still more a fan of Raninia than not. At least he's learning the game and is able to evaluate and retain knowledge rather than deny every issue. But as Thurinuor mentions it will be a thing that we will plod through anyway if we have a mind to and something for others to ignore. Until he can experience stuff for himself he's still reliant of others who only think they know what's happening.

I never bothered to do the maths on plodding through the three previous allegiances but might be something undiscovered then. But as simple mistakes are oh so common, you have to look there first. The copy, edit, paste let down by the source material we've seen in crafting for years.

I'm happy that the word "neglect" is in his lexicon, a refreshing change from the usual spin, where mistakes could be adopted as "intended" just to save face.

[oggbnvwnyc]

I'm still more a fan of Raninia than not. At least he's learning the game and is able to evaluate and retain knowledge rather than deny every issue. But as Thurinuor mentions it will be a thing that we will plod through anyway if we have a mind to and something for others to ignore. Until he can experience stuff for himself he's still reliant of others who only think they know what's happening.

I never bothered to do the maths on plodding through the three previous allegiances but might be something undiscovered then. But as simple mistakes are oh so common, you have to look there first. The copy, edit, paste let down by the source material we've seen in crafting for years.

I'm happy that the word "neglect" is in his lexicon, a refreshing change from the usual spin, where mistakes could be adopted as "intended" just to save face.

And are you kidding me?
The "producer" of Lotro shall be given a free pass because "he's still learning the game" he's supposed to produce and supervise?
What's next: "He's still learning that a tooltip has to accurately describe an item and its effects"?

You're the type of customer SSG still has: the ones who are getting served #### with glaring issues everywhere, but who are happy because someone of SSG is using a word that might imply they have realized something to be an issue or by getting a blue post once in month, if you're lucky, and then labelling that to be the next coming of Jesus or something, because someone of SSG could be bothered to say a few words.