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    Where is the producer's letter?

    And no, I don't mean Rowan's pointless letter from a while back. Where is the letter Paiz is supposed to write that I thought was due before February? Perhaps I am mistaken in that date, but I could have sworn we should have seen it by now. Still technically a day left if I am right, though, I suppose....

    It's the one thing I'm waiting on to play this game again. I got RoR on sale some time ago and upon entering the new region was assaulted with a most pernicious lag, one that I will NOT put up with. I have a pretty fast gaming PC and internet connection, and didn't have too much trouble with lag in non-RoR regions (though I experience it in the new Bree, most ironically!!), so there is no excuse from Turbine not to fix this. I talked with people in GLFF and they all said the same thing. It also seems there have been lots of threads here in the forums about it that, as per Turbine's totalitarian streak, conveniently disappear or are moved into obscurity.

    The point is, I have heard absolutely NOTHING from Turbine on this and so was waiting on Paiz's letter to see if she mentions it. So where is it? (And no, cryptic and meaningless quips from Sapience that they are aware of the problem doesn't help me. I need actual information.)

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    You will see it within the next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eartholloth View Post
    You will see it within the next few days.
    Thanks for responding, but how do you know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil View Post
    Thanks for responding, but how do you know that?
    Was posted on twitter that she is writing it up & we will get it soon. I am guessing this week I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eartholloth View Post
    Was posted on twitter that she is writing it up & we will get it soon. I am guessing this week I hope.
    Good. I hope so too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil View Post
    It's the one thing I'm waiting on to play this game again. I got RoR on sale some time ago and upon entering the new region was assaulted with a most pernicious lag, one that I will NOT put up with. I have a pretty fast gaming PC and internet connection, and didn't have too much trouble with lag in non-RoR regions (though I experience it in the new Bree, most ironically!!), so there is no excuse from Turbine not to fix this. I talked with people in GLFF and they all said the same thing. It also seems there have been lots of threads here in the forums about it that, as per Turbine's totalitarian streak, conveniently disappear or are moved into obscurity.
    Not to derail this thread but every time I hear someone post about the lag in RoR I die a little inside. Im just back after a long absence and am nowhere near Rohan, but the more I hear about the problems the less I want to invest in the expansion. Im just working on new alts, enjoying the old game world, and praying that they fix the problems by the time I get there. If not, Ill just pretend its 97-98 for as long as I can. =)

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    Patience is (literally) a virtue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eartholloth View Post
    Was posted on twitter that she is writing it up & we will get it soon. I am guessing this week I hope.
    BTW what is up with this Twitter nonsense? Why not just post to the boards? Not everyone wants to bother following on the silliness that is Twitter.

    To be fair tho, I dont envy ANYONE who has to write a producers letter talking about upcoming features in this game. Its got to be the most awful thing to try and write, as thousands of people are going to be poring over every single word and dissecting every possible meaning. No thanks. Hats off to you for taking the plunge, M`Lady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluck View Post
    BTW what is up with this Twitter nonsense? Why not just post to the boards? Not everyone wants to bother following on the silliness that is Twitter.
    Sapience mentioned one time that Twitter was easier to use when he was not sitting in front of the PC at home or work. Maybe he is using his iPhone. My children into the Text message and Twitter with their iPhones. Their iPhones do not have ABC on the same key like my phone does.
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    It's coming in the near future, MoreSoonerish than Soon™, but not quite Tomorrowish-esque™

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluck View Post
    BTW what is up with this Twitter nonsense? Why not just post to the boards? Not everyone wants to bother following on the silliness that is Twitter.

    To be fair tho, I dont envy ANYONE who has to write a producers letter talking about upcoming features in this game. Its got to be the most awful thing to try and write, as thousands of people are going to be poring over every single word and dissecting every possible meaning. No thanks. Hats off to you for taking the plunge, M`Lady.
    Sadly, the Devs are more likely to reach the average player through Twitter than through the boards. The folks over at Paragon Studios (before they got assassinated by NC Soft) data-mined their own player base, and determined that only one in ten players ever looked at the forums, even once, and of those, only one in ten bothered to post anything. I suspect the numbers are likely to be pretty close over here as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluck View Post
    Not to derail this thread but every time I hear someone post about the lag in RoR I die a little inside. Im just back after a long absence and am nowhere near Rohan, but the more I hear about the problems the less I want to invest in the expansion. Im just working on new alts, enjoying the old game world, and praying that they fix the problems by the time I get there. If not, Ill just pretend its 97-98 for as long as I can. =)
    Not everyone is experiencing lag. I personally have never seen any lag, in spite of triple boxing (running 3 clients at once on the same machine). I haven't talked to anyone in game who has experienced lag. I still think that for a lot of folks who didn't have lag until they reached Rohan, the issue is that their video card can't handle the additional graphics in Rohan -- which would mean that simply lowering some of their video settings would solve their problems. That said, there are some folks who are legitimately suffering from significant lag -- but unless you are experiencing lag now, it would be a mistake to assume you will suffer lag when you get to Rohan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelar View Post
    Not everyone is experiencing lag. I personally have never seen any lag, in spite of triple boxing (running 3 clients at once on the same machine). I haven't talked to anyone in game who has experienced lag. I still think that for a lot of folks who didn't have lag until they reached Rohan, the issue is that their video card can't handle the additional graphics in Rohan -- which would mean that simply lowering some of their video settings would solve their problems. That said, there are some folks who are legitimately suffering from significant lag -- but unless you are experiencing lag now, it would be a mistake to assume you will suffer lag when you get to Rohan.
    No offense, but posts like these never help anyone. I'm quite certain the problems with lag are experienced by a large number of lotro players, large enough that it can't merely be explained in terms of client side issues. You don't have lag? Great! But that doesn't help me or the hundreds if not thousands of other lotro players that do. Plus, I play GW2 on high settings, and even in the biggest damn zerg-fest events, there is zero lag, and the game is using newer, more advanced tech than lotro. Turbine owes me and many other players an explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelar View Post
    Not everyone is experiencing lag. I personally have never seen any lag, in spite of triple boxing (running 3 clients at once on the same machine). I haven't talked to anyone in game who has experienced lag. I still think that for a lot of folks who didn't have lag until they reached Rohan, the issue is that their video card can't handle the additional graphics in Rohan -- which would mean that simply lowering some of their video settings would solve their problems. That said, there are some folks who are legitimately suffering from significant lag -- but unless you are experiencing lag now, it would be a mistake to assume you will suffer lag when you get to Rohan.
    The majority of people Ive talked to in game report tons of rubberbanding in the game, which has nothing to do with graphics cards. One of the RL friends has a souped up system with the best of everything, and he gets so much rubberbanding that Rohan was virtually unplayable. He has stopped playing for now because of this. I dunno. My system is NOT the best in any way, so Im delaying dealing with Rohan for as long as possible.

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    Looks like the producers letter is lagging a bit too

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    Quote Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil View Post
    No offense, but posts like these never help anyone. I'm quite certain the problems with lag are experienced by a large number of lotro players, large enough that it can't merely be explained in terms of client side issues. You don't have lag? Great! But that doesn't help me or the hundreds if not thousands of other lotro players that do. Plus, I play GW2 on high settings, and even in the biggest damn zerg-fest events, there is zero lag, and the game is using newer, more advanced tech than lotro. Turbine owes me and many other players an explanation.
    Im gonna throw out a wild swing here and guess its new Rohan code built upon an antiquated core game (some elements 10+ years old), possibly old server architecture, and its way too expensive to even think about revising and optimizing that old stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seschat View Post
    Sadly, the Devs are more likely to reach the average player through Twitter than through the boards. The folks over at Paragon Studios (before they got assassinated by NC Soft) data-mined their own player base, and determined that only one in ten players ever looked at the forums, even once, and of those, only one in ten bothered to post anything. I suspect the numbers are likely to be pretty close over here as well.

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    Fair enough. However, you would think they would do an organized, coverage of the media types available. Twitter if they must, Facebook (ugh) and finally the Forums. I dont see why its so absolutely essential to be able to post something important on Twitter via your phone. How long would it take to find a computer to also post on the boards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluck View Post
    Fair enough. However, you would think they would do an organized, coverage of the media types available. Twitter if they must, Facebook (ugh) and finally the Forums. I dont see why its so absolutely essential to be able to post something important on Twitter via your phone. How long would it take to find a computer to also post on the boards?
    Long enough that you forget that you posted on Twitter. Plus there is the "I am so busy. I do not have time to post it three times". I will post it on Twitter. The customers will copy the information to the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluck View Post
    Im gonna throw out a wild swing here and guess its new Rohan code built upon an antiquated core game (some elements 10+ years old), possibly old server architecture, and its way too expensive to even think about revising and optimizing that old stuff.
    That seems so counter intuitive to me. I would think older games like lotro would be easier to play over time, not the reverse! It must be the servers, because the graphics in this game, while quite pretty at times, are no where near the level of newer online (and singleplayer) games than run fine and dandy on my machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil View Post
    Turbine owes me and many other players an explanation.
    I'm an ardent Turbine basher; I'll admit to that. The game could be much, much more than it is, and dev attention could be given to areas that need that attention but don't get it. But they don't owe us any explanations.

    We would like them. We can demand them. We can whine and wheedle for them. We can feel we're owed. But unless you're sitting on the board of directors, forget being owed. But let's keep asking for these non-forthcoming explanations. If I remember rightly, we have been told that communication is something the Turbine-ites realize they need to work on, are working on, and will continue to get better at. Let's see it. Oh, beyond Twitter, Youtube and Facebook, that is. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiyah View Post
    I'm an ardent Turbine basher; I'll admit to that. The game could be much, much more than it is, and dev attention could be given to areas that need that attention but don't get it. But they don't owe us any explanations.

    We would like them. We can demand them. We can whine and wheedle for them. We can feel we're owed. But unless you're sitting on the board of directors, forget being owed. But let's keep asking for these non-forthcoming explanations. If I remember rightly, we have been told that communication is something the Turbine-ites realize they need to work on, are working on, and will continue to get better at. Let's see it. Oh, beyond Twitter, Youtube and Facebook, that is. Please.
    But I'm a paying customer who is disappointed with the product he has received. Did I pay for RoR so I could stutter-step the whole way through it? No. So why wouldn't they owe me, the customer, an explanation? If they don't care, fine, but then they've lost a customer (along with many more like me), and that's just bad business. So in absolute terms, maybe they don't owe us anything, but in terms of any sane company's etiquette towards their customers, they *ought* to give us an explanation.

    I see precious little evidence that they care or are concerned about communicating better. It's same old, same old from my perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil View Post
    But I'm a paying customer who is disappointed with the product he has received. Did I pay for RoR so I could stutter-step the whole way through it? No. So why wouldn't they owe me, the customer, an explanation? If they don't care, fine, but then they've lost a customer (along with many more like me), and that's just bad business. So in absolute terms, maybe they don't owe us anything, but in terms of any sane company's etiquette towards their customers, they *ought* to give us an explanation.

    I see precious little evidence that they care or are concerned about communicating better. It's same old, same old from my perspective.
    You are exactly correct. This is how Turbine has chosen, under the Paiz's leadership, to operate their company. Any reputable company would act in the manner you're asking for. That's not Turbine. They can deny it if they choose to. Their corporate history and any kind of browse through these fora will give lie to that denial though.

    Indeed, they "ought" to give explanations to the paying customers. It would be a politic thing to do. But they are a privately held company. Only the investors and the board are owed any kind of explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zalladi View Post
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    Early 2013 means anywhere from January to early March.
    Lol, brilliant. More people need this patience thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by hisoka-thorongil View Post
    That seems so counter intuitive to me. I would think older games like lotro would be easier to play over time, not the reverse! It must be the servers, because the graphics in this game, while quite pretty at times, are no where near the level of newer online (and singleplayer) games than run fine and dandy on my machine.
    Im no expert at all, my field being education, but as I understand it from talking to folks who are in the field and from reading the endless posts on here, all that building new code and systems upon the older code and architecture can bog things down. A brand new game that is built fresh from the ground up is going to be far more optimized to work with new tech and with large numbers of players.

    Thats all I got, just a perspective.

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