Book 13 Dev Diary Feedback: Better Together

[steelsnake]

Really great changes! Thanks a lot.

[a99barnsey]

Kinships...


Please tell me you guys have introduced a NEW RANK .. a new 1st Officer rank or Manager rank... please tell me this.. there was talk of this in your pre book13 Questions and Answers..

I so need this for my guilds to work on 5 servers


PLEASE

wha?????????????

[Nefarioux]

wat u mean wat?

[Bragollach]

The LFF changes sound very nice, but I remain skeptical. We already had an upgrade to the fellowing panel (if I remember correctly..), and still no one used it. I see that these changes should make things easier, but short of accepting a quest and being auto-assigned a group (and ported to the start/entrance naturally), I'm still afraid it won't make a difference.

I've always updated my LFF note when looking for fellowships and have never once received a response. I think it's just that the majority of players stick with their friends or kinships and so are never looking for or advertise fellowships. But hey that's what friends/kins are for!

Either way, I'll continue to update my note or check my quest or whatever I have to do now and hope it catches on.

[Thornton]

So with all this solo content, why should we do it with now? It seems a waste to do it and get no experience, or any useful gear until it's actually useful. Quest rewards like gear won't matter because we all know that player crafted items, as expensive as some are, are in some cases better than any quest reward. I understand we can do these quests with out alts. I am hoping that we have two more character slots when Mines of Moria goes live. Whatever the case exploring a new area will be fun.

[gildhur]

I am hoping that we have two more character slots when Mines of Moria goes live.

I assume so with two new classes coming. I'd hate to have to choose a different server just to try out both new classes if I've already settled on my 5 existing classes.

[Kentelyoo]

The LFF changes sound very nice, but I remain skeptical. We already had an upgrade to the fellowing panel (if I remember correctly..), and still no one used it. I see that these changes should make things easier, but short of accepting a quest and being auto-assigned a group (and ported to the start/entrance naturally), I'm still afraid it won't make a difference.

I've always updated my LFF note when looking for fellowships and have never once received a response. I think it's just that the majority of players stick with their friends or kinships and so are never looking for or advertise fellowships. But hey that's what friends/kins are for!

Either way, I'll continue to update my note or check my quest or whatever I have to do now and hope it catches on.

We never had an upgrade to the fellowing panel. Its really hard to figure out how it works (I finally got it after asking in the forum). I can assure you that because of the quest journal upgrade, people will begin to use it when they redesign it. The problem is that, for now, we will only be able to LFF for one quest. When we'll be able to flag many quests, the probability of a bunch of people having the same quests flagged will go way up.

[dricken]

It's all already been said but, This is Great News!!! I don't know how many times we have needed 1 more for CD or URU with no way to get them to where we are standing. These Mustering Horns are an answer to prayers!!! Thank you Turbine!!!

[Forjo]

I'll try and address a few comments such as those from Druc, Airworthy, Kentelyoo, a99Barnsey, and others.

We fully intend to add more to this feature in the future, including (but not limited to):
* Allowing you to flag more than one quest
* Allowing you to indicate things other than quests, e.g. Instances
* Upgrading the "Fellowing" tab of the Social Panel significantly

We had all these goodies for the quest log, fellowship invites, and with mustering horns that we wanted to get that out there and see the reactions. More is coming!

Yup. I'm happy now. This is all I wanted.

So how did I get to be an "and others"? I was the first in the thread to ask for item #1! Stop ducking me man!

-Forjo

[Bragollach]

We never had an upgrade to the fellowing panel. Its really hard to figure out how it works (I finally got it after asking in the forum). I can assure you that because of the quest journal upgrade, people will begin to use it when they redesign it. The problem is that, for now, we will only be able to LFF for one quest. When we'll be able to flag many quests, the probability of a bunch of people having the same quests flagged will go way up.

Hmmm, might have been in beta.

So anyway in the meantime I suppose I could just click through each of my quests in order and see which one pops up with the biggest list...

It seems to me that once at least 2 people are LFF for a quest they'll immediately group up... will their fellowship show up in my list when I checkmark a quest? It must right?

[a99barnsey]

wat u mean wat?

your kin is on 5 servers?

[Strongbow]

Hmmm, might have been in beta.

It was in beta, and a very minor upgrade at that.....mainly on the filters.

[jarishs]

Great changes! Love it all!

[a99barnsey]

I know this is a lot to ask for, but I would like you to consider adding some kind of built in event calendar for kinships. This is probably something that would be more likely to be included as part of the expansion (new UI is being built as I understand it).

[DangerDan]

So how did I get to be an "and others"? I was the first in the thread to ask for item #1! Stop ducking me man!

I believe I have now resolved your complaint.

[DangerDan]

I know this is a lot to ask for, but I would like you to consider adding some kind of built in event calendar for kinships. This is probably something that would be more likely to be included as part of the expansion (new UI is being built as I understand it).

While Kinship features aren't really the focus of this update, the ideas I've seen on this thread are pretty interesting. Thanks for the suggestions!

[Linwe-Elfmaiden]

Once again, Turbine Devs: You folks rock! This looks great!

[Stilgaard]

RE: Quest/group interface overhaul improvements.

Excellent!

Now, may I be so bold as to ask ever so humbly to fold in the ability to also do everything here with *DEEDS* too.

i.e. the ability to track those pesky kill deeds/discovery deeds with a total of units completed/required to finish out said deeds in the very same place as my quest tracker interface with just a click like quests, the ability to look at a glance in the fellowship interface which of my fellowship members also are working on the same deeds as me.

[Maimeekrai]

One thing I'd eventually like to see is a more adaptable tracker. One that either scrolls or pages, and the ability to sort/prioritize which quests/deeds you want toward the top. Perhaps a toggle to swap between quests and deeds? All I know is 5 slots in the tracker right now is not enough. Something for the future, hmm?

I've always thought having the tracker be location sensitive would be nice, too. I don't need to see Barrows quests while I'm running around the Old Forest. Having to stop and futz around in the quest log is a pain.

"OK, I'm in the Old Forest, time to turn off all the Bree quests and turn on all the forest quests. Oops, gotta turn off one before I can add one. Only 4? Ok, I can add a deed. What tab was that deed on? Why can't I find it? How did "Completed" get checked......"

All I can say is Wow.

I thought some of that functionality sounded familiar, too.

[crazyaddict]

That's where Book 13's "Find A Fellowship" button comes in. It's a new button on the Quest Log that works a little like the "Add to Tracker" button. You can mark one quest for Find A Fellowship.

That automatically opens the Fellowing tab of the Social Panel and fills out all the relevant information. You'll see a list of players who also want to work on that quest (and those players can now find you, too).

Sounds interesting, but I think it's usefulness may be limited if you can only choose one quest for "Find a Fellowship".

Example: Player One may have quests A,B,C,D,E. Player Two may have C,D,E,F. If Player One advertises quest A and Player Two advertise quest F, they'll never get a match even though they both need C,D,E. A lot of potential grps will be missed.

Allowing people to add multiple quests for "Find A Fellowship" will be much more useful.

[truthlessheroes04]

I am not sure if this has been mentioned yet as I have not read through all the replies but why the maximum limit of only 40 quests in the log? It would be much appreciated if more would be allowed to store in the log

[Tosaf]

yep, i routinely wish for a captain reverse summon.

It exists, but not for Captians but for Guardians. Its the Acorn. Send one to your bud and he or she can call you to their side. Works great.

[Laire]

*sends DangerDan loads of love*

Thanks for all the info, Mr. Danger! This looks to be a great update. Ah, my alts shall be pleased. And my main, to be frank. Woot wootiness!

[BetrayedTemplar]

Just gotta say... outstanding job on the new social/quest log updates going into Book 13! Thank you devs!

[Digero]

One (small) thing that I'd like to see is some indication of whether a quest requires a group when you accept the quest and/or in the quest tracker. Sometimes I don't check the log before starting on a quest, only to get to the quest location and realize that there's no way I'm going to be able to solo it.