Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

[phaelan2]

Obtuse...?

Are you calling Berephon obtuse? Or saying that he is the opposite of acute? Wouldn't than be anugly?

[Mormegul]

Why is the leader of the Earth-Kin in Nan Amlug (North Downs) named Kekkonen ? :P He doesnt look anything like our former president who had the same name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekkonen

[Berephon]

Why is the leader of the Earth-Kin in Nan Amlug (North Downs) named Kekkonen ? :P He doesnt look anything like our former president who had the same name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekkonen

Because the name looked cool? \shrug

[andulinde]

The acute (or whatever the opposite is)

I believe it's called the grave accent. At least, I know it's called that in French and (koine) Greek, which is a sufficiently broad sample for me to suggest it's the general case.

[jdcool777]

hello Berephon...Im trying to role play my Lore-master as the mentor of my Hunter, who is the "Light from the Shadow". What is a Sindarin way of saying, like "mentor of a hero/champion"?

[JuanVonJuanson]

The acute (or whatever the opposite is) is used as another indicator of long vowels (longer than standard, but shorter than the circumflex) as described by the Professor.

It's a grave', not an obtuse... just my 2 bits.

[Berephon]

I believe it's called the grave accent. At least, I know it's called that in French and (koine) Greek, which is a sufficiently broad sample for me to suggest it's the general case.

Thank you! It's been a long time since my koine studies...that's exactly what I was looking for.

[Berephon]

hello Berephon...Im trying to role play my Lore-master as the mentor of my Hunter, who is the "Light from the Shadow". What is a Sindarin way of saying, like "mentor of a hero/champion"?

Rodheron, Rodherdir, Rodhir, or Roddúr would be Master of the Champion, which is the closest I could come up with. (raud + heron, + herdir, + hîr, or + tûr.)

[skorpion352]

Lover of Cold would be Ringmelethril, Ringmelethron, or Ringmellon. Lover of Bitter Cold would be Helchmelethril, Helchmelethron, or Helchmellon. Lover of Ice would be Helegmelethril, Helegmelethron, or Helegmellon. The -il endings are specifically feminine, the other two are specifically masculine.

However, being Rohirric, I suggest Cealdlufiend (Cold-lover in Old English.)

so what does helchgam (sp?) mean?

[Berephon]

so what does helchgam (sp?) mean?

It means Bitter Cold Hand (helch + cam)

[skorpion352]

It means Bitter Cold Hand (helch + cam)

thanks, im gonna start calling him that in game, just to see how long it takes peopel to catch on. also, did i get the spelling correct?

[Berephon]

thanks, im gonna start calling him that in game, just to see how long it takes peopel to catch on. also, did i get the spelling correct?

Indeed you did...at the beginning of final elements in a compound, c becomes g.

[TheWestender]

Oi...sorry. Quenya is way out of my feeble league. Not too many solid sources on it.

Really? Wikipedia tells me it was the most complete of his languges, and the easiest to learn of the elf languages.

[Womdon]

Since this seems to be the place to go to verify that your prospective name isn't a dud before you use it, I've got a few I'd like to mention.

When I started the game, I made a few characters and didn't think very hard about their appearance or what their names would be. One of those characters (a female loremaster) ended up being my favorite, although the name I used was a leftover from another MMO I once played. It referenced a specific element of that game, but is meaningless in this one.

I would like to change the name (I've heard this is possible with GM assistance) but I don't know how. If there's a fee I'd pay it. I've got a few ideas running around my head what the new name should be, but I thought I'd mention them here first just in case I'm completely garbling them. Sindarin grammar isn't my strong suit .

Possible first names I'd like:
Corudess
Nibenrhaw
Gwendlethril

Possible last named I'd like to use:
Baracharn
Crissfuin
Brenniul

Most of them are are combinations of Sindarin words, but like I said, I'm pretty sure they're not properly formed. Any advice/encouragement?

[Womdon]

I killed the naming thread! *flex*

Now I just need to apply my thread killing prowess to the gold spammer one...

[MysterX]

So you get a necklace from Gandalf at the end of book 1, I think it's called

Malbellas

What does that mean, and what might

Labellas

translate to?

[Womdon]

So you get a necklace from Gandalf at the end of book 1, I think it's called

Malbellas

What does that mean, and what might

Labellas

translate to?

I don't know what labellas translates to, but I believe "Malbellas" means "Golden Strength"

[Womdon]

Still curious about a name. I'd like to use Nibenrhaw Baracharn, as I think it means 'pretty little lion of fiery vengeance'. A most excellent name for my LM, I'm just not sure if it's correct or not.

Any experts out there?

[Berephon]

Since this seems to be the place to go to verify that your prospective name isn't a dud before you use it, I've got a few I'd like to mention.

When I started the game, I made a few characters and didn't think very hard about their appearance or what their names would be. One of those characters (a female loremaster) ended up being my favorite, although the name I used was a leftover from another MMO I once played. It referenced a specific element of that game, but is meaningless in this one.

I would like to change the name (I've heard this is possible with GM assistance) but I don't know how. If there's a fee I'd pay it. I've got a few ideas running around my head what the new name should be, but I thought I'd mention them here first just in case I'm completely garbling them. Sindarin grammar isn't my strong suit .

Possible first names I'd like:
Corudess
Nibenrhaw
Gwendlethril

Possible last named I'd like to use:
Baracharn
Crissfuin
Brenniul

Most of them are are combinations of Sindarin words, but like I said, I'm pretty sure they're not properly formed. Any advice/encouragement?

Sorry, I haven't had a chance to peek at this thread in a bit. Here you go:

Corudes (coru + des, wily woman)
Nibedhrhaw (niben + rhaw, small body or small wilderness)
Gwenglethril (gwend + lethril, listener of friendship or maiden-listener)

Baracharn (assuming bara + harn, fiery helmet, unless it was meant to be baracarn, fiery red)
Crisfuin (cris + fuin, night-slash--the s only doubles before vowels)
Brenniul--not sure what your intended roots were here. Closest I could come up with were Brennia- (the verb for endure) + iûl (embers). I think you're looking for Bronaduiúl (bronadui + iûl, enduring embers) or Brúniúl (brûn + iûl, long-endured embers). Of course, in-game you'd have to remove the diacritics.

[Berephon]

So you get a necklace from Gandalf at the end of book 1, I think it's called

Malbellas

What does that mean, and what might

Labellas

translate to?

Womdon is correct about Malbellas...and I can't figure out the initial element on Labellas either.

[Mormegul]

Well, I set my foot in forochel a few days ago and most of the names there were somewhat finnish. A good job well done with the area

One thing irritates me though. near that big village where the big hut was and there were those heimo representatives. There was a leijjona-heimo representative, leijona means lion in english and I still keep wondering how many lions do they see up there in the north ...

Another small anoying thing was outside of this town where they had raindeer type animals that had the name "Hirvi". A direct translation of hirvi would be moose/elk, those creatures looked nothing like moose which I had seen in the other parts of the region.

If anyone wants some of the Forochel names translated send me a list in PM and I will try and get a meaning in english for them all.

[Berephon]

Well, I set my foot in forochel a few days ago and most of the names there were somewhat finnish. A good job well done with the area

One thing irritates me though. near that big village where the big hut was and there were those heimo representatives. There was a leijjona-heimo representative, leijona means lion in english and I still keep wondering how many lions do they see up there in the north ...

Another small anoying thing was outside of this town where they had raindeer type animals that had the name "Hirvi". A direct translation of hirvi would be moose/elk, those creatures looked nothing like moose which I had seen in the other parts of the region.

If anyone wants some of the Forochel names translated send me a list in PM and I will try and get a meaning in english for them all.

Since we have moose and elk (the reindeer-looking critters--yes, I know that European elk are more akin to moose), I applied hirvi to the elk.

The sabretooths up there are what leijona refers to...also kilpa-kita refers to the same creature.

[Mormegul]

Would not tiikeri-heimo have been a better choise then, sabertooths being tigers not lions and all ...

And I cannot see where you get the "kilpa" for kilpa-kita... kilpa means competition/race. I did think if it were to be kilta which would be kin/guild/clan. Then there would be Kilpi-Kita but kilpi means a shield so that does not fit either.

Also. I have found alot of common finnish names in Forochel except for my own... could someone tell me if there is a Lauri somewhere in Forochel if there is one. If not...huge minus point from that

[Lomeloth]

There is indeed a quest-giver in Pynti-peldot named Lauri

[Berephon]

Would not tiikeri-heimo have been a better choise then, sabertooths being tigers not lions and all ...

And I cannot see where you get the "kilpa" for kilpa-kita... kilpa means competition/race. I did think if it were to be kilta which would be kin/guild/clan. Then there would be Kilpi-Kita but kilpi means a shield so that does not fit either.

Also. I have found alot of common finnish names in Forochel except for my own... could someone tell me if there is a Lauri somewhere in Forochel if there is one. If not...huge minus point from that

Kilpa-kita is in fact an error on my part...I misread our linguist's notes. That was supposed to be kalpa-kita. Please bug that!!!

(Also, the stereotypical sabretooth image is in fact more lionesque in appearance, not a tiger, even though they are referred to as sabretooth tigers. We use the lion image--at least we were going to. I haven't seent hem yet to know myself.)