Lifetime Account Members Thread

[elderlygamer]

First of all the name I MADE up was an example of what WILL happen.

Second of all trial are trials, they do not last as long as this F2P thing will. Silly

Third of all, you need to read my post again and take note of the My Opinin words i put into there. It changes it alot from where you think im saying facts.

It was all MY OPINION. I never tried to base anything off of stuff that has already happen. I simply told you what this reminded me of.

I paid for a game that people are going to be able to play for free, Its just that simple. You can put oh well we get benefits inbetween that but it still comes out the same. People are going to be able to play a game for free that I once paid money for. You cannot get by that it is what it is. And that is a FACT.

A trial account can currently get through MORE of the content, for free, than a f2p player can get. The only restrictions for trial accounts are as follows:

As a trial player, what are my restrictions?
Trial accounts cannot access the mail box or the auction house, trade, or send tells to players that do not have the trial user on their friend list. Otherwise, you have access to every feature that a full subscriber does for the duration of your trial!

which is from http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=248979

Yes the trial account is temporary, nobody denied that. Even though it's a temporary account a person can still get a trial account and do higher level quests (depending on the number of hours they put in), far more quests than one will get with a f2p account. So again, why not get angry at people on trial accounts, especially since they can do much of the content for free that you had to pay for?

You stated you were upset because people could play the game for free, the same game you paid for, and experience areas like the Shire... places you had to pay to experience. That's what you said you were upset about, so that's what people responded to. If you are upset about something else then please state so.

Nobody said, from what I saw, that you were stating facts. Please point out the post where someone said you were stating facts.

It's funny how people are getting so upset about others being able to play a VERY limited version of the game for free. If there hadn't been an open beta (or trial) then I'd not be playing the game today. I'm sure I'm not the only one in that situation.

To those angry about f2p players... the next time you try out a f2p game I sure hope the community in that game treats you better.

[Preshous88]

All content after the starters will have to be bought by new players, other than the epics quests. So not owning Moria or Mirkwood really doesn't affect your argument when it comes to other people getting for free what you payed for.

I do own them, I think ered luin the shire and bree are an extreme part of the game whether you still go to them or not. I just dont like the idea that they get to play for free when i HAD to pay.

[Ulfbrandr]

The FAQ and VIP/Premium comparison chart is a bit confusing. As a lifetime member and Founder, and having paid for the adventurer's pack, I have 9 character slots. Already paid for slots. The VIP charts says I get 5, and can pay for more. When I'm converted over to VIP, will I get my already paid-for extra slots for free, or will I lose characters and have to pay - again - for those extra slots?

[borked]

First of all the name I MADE up was an example of what WILL happen.

Technically correct, I guess, from a certain perspective. But to more complete, you have to admit that these are names that ALREADY happen. I still shudder at my friend's toon name BLADESOFGLORY.

I paid for a game that people are going to be able to play for free, Its just that simple. You can put oh well we get benefits inbetween that but it still comes out the same. People are going to be able to play a game for free that I once paid money for. You cannot get by that it is what it is. And that is a FACT.

Fair enough. You have obviously made a conscious decision to play LotRO with only one character, restricted that character only to the 3 starter areas and to only the epic arcs outside of those areas, restricted your crafting, not allowed yourself to post to the auction house, restricted your use of email and chat, not allowed yourself to pvmp, not allowed yourself any significant amount of gold... (on and on)

In this case, yes, you are right. You are getting royally screwed in this deal, and I am very sorry for that. I am all for people playing the game how THEY want to play it. I hate people that preach only the **right** way to play it. You have chosen a different, but just as valid, playstyle, and are totally getting borked by this.

My apologies if this sounds sarcastic. I may still be stinging from you not only bringing up the other game, as my black bars will never heal, but the comparison is such a leap that I sprained my brain just trying to make it with you.

[Analog-Man]

They've already said that quest packs will be sold by zone, not quest hub. I suppose there is a chance that might change in beta, but that's the case for now.

Ah, didn't see that one. Suprising since I've been scouring these forums since the F2P announcement.

That would indeed lower the cost a bit over what I outlined. But simply add in the other costs I mentioned would surely put it over the $200 mark, or at least close enough to equalize the lifetime cost. Going forward the lifer's deal would only get better, assuming that they resume adding end-game content at some point

[Ehra]

I do own them, I think ered luin the shire and bree are an extreme part of the game whether you still go to them or not. I just dont like the idea that they get to play for free when i HAD to pay.

No one has ever "HAD" to pay to play the starter areas.

Also, what the heck? First you go "you assume I own both expansions" and just now you're going "I do own them."

[Preshous88]

Technically correct, I guess, from a certain perspective. But to more complete, you have to admit that these are names that ALREADY happen. I still shudder at my friend's toon name BLADESOFGLORY.



Fair enough. You have obviously made a conscious decision to play LotRO with only one character, restricted that character only to the 3 starter areas and to only the epic arcs outside of those areas, restricted your crafting, not allowed yourself to post to the auction house, restricted your use of email and chat, not allowed yourself to pvmp, not allowed yourself any significant amount of gold... (on and on)

In this case, yes, you are right. You are getting royally screwed in this deal, and I am very sorry for that. I am all for people playing the game how THEY want to play it. I hate people that preach only the **right** way to play it. You have chosen a different, but just as valid, playstyle, and are totally getting borked by this.

My apologies if this sounds sarcastic. I may still be stinging from you not only bringing up the other game, as my black bars will never heal, but the comparison is such a leap that I sprained my brain just trying to make it with you.

Take the first three letters out of assumption and that is what your makin of your self by assuming.

[Preshous88]

No one has ever "HAD" to pay to play the starter areas.

Also, what the heck? First you go "you assume I own both expansions" and just now you're going "I do own them."

Just because I said your assuming that I own them dosn't mean that I dont. Silly

[fugori]

The FAQ and VIP/Premium comparison chart is a bit confusing. As a lifetime member and Founder, and having paid for the adventurer's pack, I have 9 character slots. Already paid for slots. The VIP charts says I get 5, and can pay for more. When I'm converted over to VIP, will I get my already paid-for extra slots for free, or will I lose characters and have to pay - again - for those extra slots?

1. Will I lose character slots if I maintain my paid subscription?

NO. From the FAQ: "The benefits and features of the Adventurer's Pack will remain available to you. Whether you are a VIP, Premium player, or Free player, you will get to keep your 2 extra character slots and shared storage bank." Additionally, Mines of Moria and any other added slots will be maintained. Thanks, Blackadar.

In short, you keep what you have. If you downgrade you can lose access, but never the characters or slots themselves.

[borked]

Take the first three letters out of assumption and that is what your makin of your self by assuming.

Did I assume anything? You said they, the f2p'ers, are getting the same game that you paid for. To that end, I described the game that they are getting for free and related it back to what you must be doing by the equality statements you have already made. By your own words, the game they are getting for free is the one you paid for.

I only have your words to go by. Is this not accurate?

[Ehra]

Did I assume anything? You said they, the f2p'ers, are getting the same game that you paid for. To that end, I described the game that they are getting for free and related it back to what you must be doing by the equality statements you have already made. By your own words, the game they are getting for free is the one you paid for.

I only have your words to go by. Is this not accurate?

Reread his last few posts and you'll realize you're wasting your time. He's just being contradictory now.

[borked]

Reread his last few posts and you'll realize you're wasting your time. He's just being contradictory now.

Gotcha. But as penance, I think he/she should share at least a schematic for his/her working Improbability Drive. That is the **only** way I can think of that one makes that kind of leap intact. Back to the WC for me...

[Gedachtnis]

To be fair there is some lost value for current players, or at least loss of value can be construed.

That loss however is in no way tied to Lifetime accounts or how much they cost. Lifetime accounts payed for the ability to access the LotRO servers at anytime for the life of the game, or you , it did not provide any content or anything else. You literally could have bought a Lifetime account and never owned one LotRO product.

The only area a loss of value could be construed is in what was payed for the SoA content. How much were the disks/dl when bought?

Take how much the disks/dl cost, subtract the cash value of the prelaunch bonus points, the difference is how much F2P's get in excess of anyone. Further subtract the free points cash value that you recieve every month and even that loss goes away.

The value placed on community and other subjective intangeables are individual values placed on them and not provided by any purchase.

We bought Lifetime subs for the ability to log onto the servers at will with no sub fee, we still get that.

Others are getting free what early players payed for in artwork and such from the original disks/dl, this is offset by by prelaunch points and further by monthly points.

The community and other subjective values are going to change some but still boil down to one simple fact.

Those things will be what we make of them.

Or at least that's my view of it. Opinons may and likely will vary.

[Ulfbrandr]

In short, you keep what you have. If you downgrade you can lose access, but never the characters or slots themselves.

Thanks, Fugori.

[Lohi]

First of all the name I MADE up was an example of what WILL happen.

Stabuintheface already exists. It's an archived character though, so I can't tell what servers that name is on :-)

In any case, similar names already exist and are in game, and are actively playing characters. This exists on all servers.

F2P will likely raise the numbers of these, but they'll be restricted to lower levels. The majority of them will never get out of the intro zone (levels 1-6). Most of the rest will grow bored that no one is laughing at their jokes and leave, staying no longer than they would have on a trial account.

On DDO, in the intro island, the chat channels are pretty awful at times. Not as bad as some F2P games though. Leaving the area things improve. Later at night things improve (I think it must be the school's-out crowd myself). But it is bad enough to make GLFF sound mature and sophisticated. However I'm not so sure that it'll translate over to LotRO. The types of the games are different, the typical player base is different (even before DDO went to F2P), etc. People did not appear to be logging into DDO merely to cause problems and see how much they could trash the place, they all honestly seemed to be there to try and play the game.

Note that it is not the money requirement that keeps away the rude and obnoxious players. You only have to log into some other subscription based MMOs to see these players. The community standards are basically based on peer pressure - well behaved communities tend to encourage well behaved players; obnoxious communities tend to encourage obnoxious behavior.

[phaelan2]

The FAQ and VIP/Premium comparison chart is a bit confusing. As a lifetime member and Founder, and having paid for the adventurer's pack, I have 9 character slots. Already paid for slots. The VIP charts says I get 5, and can pay for more. When I'm converted over to VIP, will I get my already paid-for extra slots for free, or will I lose characters and have to pay - again - for those extra slots?

This is a comparison chart for prospective new players. We will not lose anything we already have; all lifetime perks remain, including any free book updates.

[auximenes]

Elf camp SW of Esteldin (cant remember name)

Lin Giliath.

Take the first three letters out of assumption and that is what your makin of your self by assuming.

That was unnecessary.

[KenR]

http://www.massively.com/2010/06/13/...he-f2p-plague/

Interesting opinion piece on F2P.

[FutenCake]

This thread needs the most famous of presumptive men to grace it, given all the assumptions and presumptions that are flying around in it:



It also requires a theme song. I believe the song that was used in this show will do nicely:

[Mark_J]

http://www.massively.com/2010/06/13/...he-f2p-plague/

Interesting opinion piece on F2P.

That link deserves it's own thread, I agree with most of what is being said there. Sadly, logic will take a back seat and we'll see the results of that right here in Middle Earth...

[Gedachtnis]

No good players want to join a mmo that is filled with a bunch of mean and disrespectful players.

Blizzard might disagree.

[Darej]

http://www.massively.com/2010/06/13/...he-f2p-plague/

Interesting opinion piece on F2P.

"The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.

Greed is right.

Greed works.

Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save LotR:O, but that other malfunctioning corporation called Turbine."

[Mark_J]

Ok Gordon Gecko

Didn't he end up in prison?

[Darej]

Ok Gordon Gecko

Didn't he end up in prison?

thats Gekko....

ya for fraud...doesnt mean he wasnt right....just got TOO greedy...everything in moderation right????

[Mark_J]

thats Gekko....

Must have gotten him confused with Geico...