New Vault

[Ransroth]

Agreed. Imagine having a file cabinet in your office where instead of custom labels they just had numbers on them and than having to remember bills are in folder 1, invoices in folder 2, tax papers in folder 3, accounts receivables in folder 4, employee records in folder 5, insurance records in folder 6, etc. Extremely inefficient, I don't know anyone who would you such a system.

With that being said, I'll amend my earlier suggestions to include custom chest names:

First - Add width adjustment capability (similar to the height adjustment)

Second - Allow toggling on/off item descriptions (allowing for more than 2 columns of items)

Third - Allow manual sorting of items (automatic sorting should be an option)

Fourth - Allow renaming of chests (making it easier to recall where items are stored)

All of the above except for manual sorting are currently slated for the next major update.

[Thornglen]

As you might imagine, this week has been rather crazy for me, but finally made it through this thread.

First an update on the new features - I've been able to get most of what everyone has been asking for implemented. QA has yet to take a pass through it, so it's possible that something will be found to be terribly broken and will need to be pulled, but so far so good.

You will be able to resize the vault (and shared storage) horizontally, rename chests, and turn off item name display.

The major piece we weren't able to get to is manual sort. I'm sure we'll catch a lot of flak over it, but it just didn't fit in the schedule. Instead, there will be a new kind of sort that automatically sorts some items within the vault for you (for example IXP runes by value). Over time, this automatic sort can be extended to become smarter and smarter.

Manual sort is still on the list of possible improvements, but now looks like it probably won't make it to the next major update.

There are also other improvements that you haven't asked for, but I think will like a lot .

Thank you for working on the new features!

We don't get any hint on the "other improvements", huh?

[daveamongus]

Agreed. Imagine having a file cabinet in your office where instead of custom labels they just had numbers on them and than having to remember bills are in folder 1, invoices in folder 2, tax papers in folder 3, accounts receivables in folder 4, employee records in folder 5, insurance records in folder 6, etc. Extremely inefficient, I don't know anyone who would you such a system.

With that being said, I'll amend my earlier suggestions to include custom chest names:

First - Add width adjustment capability (similar to the height adjustment)

Second - Allow toggling on/off item descriptions (allowing for more than 2 columns of items)

Third - Allow manual sorting of items (automatic sorting should be an option)

Fourth - Allow renaming of chests (making it easier to recall where items are stored)

Well, it looks like you're getting three of four, thanks to ransroth.

Well done, devs. Thanks for listening. And thanks for the auto sorting. I hope to love it with a great, fluffy love.

[cynyck]

This new layout is the worst idea I've seen since starting a land war in Asia.

Try going in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Inconceivable!

I don't understand the complaints about the new vault. I simply don't get them. Except those from people who just don't like change in any form; those I at least understand.

To me, grouping items in the vault by their type is great. I can put all my consumables in one chest, all my barter items. . .

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Good job, devs. This was one of the most helpful parts of the update for me (well, that and the increased shared storage space... once my TP total is fixed, anyway).

Your post is just a bit arrogant and condescending.

Some people are visual learners, in fact many are. Your post only proves that certain fluff changes were made that really don't do all that much to change the core functionality of the vault. Searching, being able to just dump into the vault and have it stack for you, alphabetizing everything for you so that it is now in some sort (no pun intended) of order. If those fluff changes were added to the old vault's core functionality then that would be fine. You would not see me here making sarcastic posts about those of you who needed to have the game sort things for you.

The problem is that the core functionality has been changed. I had everything in each of my characters' vaults organized, along with everything in my house chest, and along with everything in my shared storage - I actually keep certain things in there all the time. I knew which character had which type of items, such as crafting, rep items, class quest items, etc. and I knew that I could open all of my chests at once by pressing the "i" key and easily find something.

I knew that if I wanted a master tier crit item it would be one to the left of the supreme tier crit item. I knew that if I wanted an ixp rune they were all sorted from 1000 up in increasing order. The names of each type were not important, and I did not have to memorize them. I could simply go to my champ's vault and hit the "i" key and easily find what I wanted. Now, I still go to my champ's vault, but the heck if I know which ixp rune is which and they are now sorted alphabetically. That is a change in core functionality. Being able to just dump things into the vault and have the computer stack for you it is not a change in core functionality, it is a fluff change.

I won't go through all of your points because this post is already too long, but taking just one of them in order to drive home my point, let's look at this one:

To me, grouping items in the vault by their type is great. I can put all my consumables in one chest, all my barter items in another, all my metalsmith items in a third, tailor in a 4th, housing items in a 5th, etc etc ad nauseum. This exactly mirrors the way I had my vault organized to begin with.

How is this not easier?

So previously you had your vault organized the same way the game now organizes it. And you want to know how that is not easier? How is that not exactly the same? And if it is exactly the same (by the way, there is no question, it is exactly the same) then what is your point? Maybe you mean that the game does this for you? If so, and if you already had it that way, then how is it easier? Well, maybe you meant that the game adds new items to that chest automatically?

O.K., that might make it easier, but that's just fluff. I never had to worry because as I said, just hit the "i" key, see all the chests, see the one with the crit items, drop the blue one on top of the blue stack. Done. I traded that for not being able to have things sorted the way I want them sorted? And you come in here, belittle my issues with the new vault in an attempt to trivialize and invalidate them, and sarcastically say that I just don't like change?

I don't understand the complaints about the new vault. I simply don't get them. Except those from people who just don't like change in any form; those I at least understand.

Do you see how arrogant and condescending that is?

Having said all that, I agree with many others posting before me that there are good reasons for this change, and I agree also that I can adapt to it if certain modifications are made. In any event, I certainly don't think the devs work tirelessly to just make things harder for us, quite the opposite. Sometimes it just takes a few iterations.

[Thoroval]

As you might imagine, this week has been rather crazy for me, but finally made it through this thread.

First an update on the new features - I've been able to get most of what everyone has been asking for implemented. QA has yet to take a pass through it, so it's possible that something will be found to be terribly broken and will need to be pulled, but so far so good.

You will be able to resize the vault (and shared storage) horizontally, rename chests, and turn off item name display.

The major piece we weren't able to get to is manual sort. I'm sure we'll catch a lot of flak over it, but it just didn't fit in the schedule. Instead, there will be a new kind of sort that automatically sorts some items within the vault for you (for example IXP runes by value). Over time, this automatic sort can be extended to become smarter and smarter.

Manual sort is still on the list of possible improvements, but now looks like it probably won't make it to the next major update.

There are also other improvements that you haven't asked for, but I think will like a lot .

Sounds like you're working hard at improving the vault. Keep up the good work.

Since we're short of a manual sort, I'm glad you're doing something about things like the IXP runes. (Suggestion: If you could please group them by type and then sort by value. For example, keep all the older IXP runes that can't be used on 61+ LI's grouped together and sort by value within that group.)

Hopefully the sorts will get better and smarter. Of course, everyone will likely have different ideas for sorting stuff, so I do hope a manual option makes it in at some point. Things can get crazy currently. Right now my Fem set is sprinkled all over among my cosmetic clothing since everything is sorted alphabetically. The set used to be neatly grouped on the same row in their bag.

Btw, do you have any idea why the option to purchase additional Vault storage was removed? The Get More Space button still shows up if I already have 120 slots, but the Store won't allow purchases beyond those 120 slots.

[Tborg1]

The new vault is not a improvement, at least give us back the option to have the classic system.

[macdadg]

As you might imagine, this week has been rather crazy for me, but finally made it through this thread.

First an update on the new features - I've been able to get most of what everyone has been asking for implemented. QA has yet to take a pass through it, so it's possible that something will be found to be terribly broken and will need to be pulled, but so far so good.

You will be able to resize the vault (and shared storage) horizontally, rename chests, and turn off item name display.

The major piece we weren't able to get to is manual sort. I'm sure we'll catch a lot of flak over it, but it just didn't fit in the schedule. Instead, there will be a new kind of sort that automatically sorts some items within the vault for you (for example IXP runes by value). Over time, this automatic sort can be extended to become smarter and smarter.

Manual sort is still on the list of possible improvements, but now looks like it probably won't make it to the next major update.

There are also other improvements that you haven't asked for, but I think will like a lot .

That's very good news. Cookies and gold stars to all who are working on it. Turning off item names and horizontal scaling is fantastic, naming chests is nice too. Two things I would love to see. Open all chests at once (that have items in them) and intentional blank spaces. Heck, if I could have intentional blank spaces, I wouldn't even have need for separate chests, named or otherwise.

[Ransroth]

Sounds like you're working hard at improving the vault. Keep up the good work.

Since we're short of a manual sort, I'm glad you're doing something about things like the IXP runes. (Suggestion: If you could please group them by type and then sort by value. For example, keep all the older IXP runes that can't be used on 61+ LI's grouped together and sort by value within that group.)

That's exactly the plan for sorting IXP runes. It will also automatically sort LIs by class, rarity, and level. I'm hopeful that we can extend it to automatically sort crafting materials as well for the initial release, but someone else is handling it and I'm not sure what his timeline is like.

[gcpate]

All of the above except for manual sorting are currently slated for the next major update.

The lack of manual sortng is what most of the bitching is about. We want to sort things together by function or relatedness or whatever. Giving me the ability to have all my objects of type <x> sorted idiotically in a single bag is not an improvement.

[Hammerfast]

All of the above except for manual sorting are currently slated for the next major update.

So we get horizontal (and vertical) resizing of the vault panel, the ability to toggle text descriptions, and the ability to rename the individual chest tabs.

Nice to see this confirmed by someone. I'd love to have the manual sorting back, but if we can't have it, the other management options go a long way to making up for it. Thanks for the good news

[Eliel]

That's exactly the plan for sorting IXP runes. It will also automatically sort LIs by class, rarity, and level. I'm hopeful that we can extend it to automatically sort crafting materials as well for the initial release, but someone else is handling it and I'm not sure what his timeline is like.

Great! I'm looking forward to more and better sort options. The ideal model is the classic Final Fantasy (single-player) games, which had a single Sort option that put together armor, weapons, items of similar types, and sorted each by power, rather than by name.

Crafting materials need to fall under this sort and get sorted by Tier, please push on that.

Manual sorting is not necessary. More and better sort options are, and I'm looking forward to them.

[Thrindal]

I have really started to like working with the new vault. I don't miss the old one a bit.

For those of you who hate the new vault, I hear you, but since we're not going back, the best thing to do is take a deep breath, work off your negative emotional reaction somehow, put your best foot forward and give the new system a try.

I work in support, so I know (and understand) the reaction end users have to massive change (the Office "ribbon" for some folks was a nightmare to re-learn for instance).

When people get over their seething hatred of change, take a more positive attitude and give the new thing a legitimate shot, good things can happen. I know that doesn't work for everyone, but hey, like others have said, there's no going back.

[DougHillman]

Your post is just a bit arrogant and condescending.

-------- Snip a very nice explination as to why the vault is FAR from an upgrade for MANY of us. ----------

Kudos to you cynyck. Very well said.

And with that said, thanks must go to Ransroth for working hard at getting the vault so that it's at least on par with (and hopefully soon, even better than) the old one for those of who fall in this category.

[Digero]

As you might imagine, this week has been rather crazy for me, but finally made it through this thread.

First an update on the new features - I've been able to get most of what everyone has been asking for implemented. QA has yet to take a pass through it, so it's possible that something will be found to be terribly broken and will need to be pulled, but so far so good.

You will be able to resize the vault (and shared storage) horizontally, rename chests, and turn off item name display.

The major piece we weren't able to get to is manual sort. I'm sure we'll catch a lot of flak over it, but it just didn't fit in the schedule. Instead, there will be a new kind of sort that automatically sorts some items within the vault for you (for example IXP runes by value). Over time, this automatic sort can be extended to become smarter and smarter.

Manual sort is still on the list of possible improvements, but now looks like it probably won't make it to the next major update.

There are also other improvements that you haven't asked for, but I think will like a lot .

I do hope you continue working on manual sorting. Without it, turning off item names is much less useful.

I'm also a little worried by the term manual "sorting". I don't want to re-order items in a (contiguous) list; I want to be able to arrange items on a 2D grid, like you can with inventory bags or the old vault. I'd rather have manual "arranging".

[DougHillman]

Great! I'm looking forward to more and better sort options. The ideal model is the classic Final Fantasy (single-player) games, which had a single Sort option that put together armor, weapons, items of similar types, and sorted each by power, rather than by name.

Crafting materials need to fall under this sort and get sorted by Tier, please push on that.

Manual sorting is not necessary. More and better sort options are, and I'm looking forward to them.

While I think that more & better sorting options will make things acceptable for the vast vast majority of users, I wouldn't go so far as to say that manual sorting is unnecessary. There are many folks who would still like and use manual sorting on occasion (myself being one of them.) If we never get it, I"ll be able to live with sorting by tier and level, but I'd like to see Ransroth keep working towards it.

[turgidityparameters]

The BIG issue is: I want to see ALL of my stuff at one look. I don't care how much screen space it takes - I'm usually not in a great deal of danger at the vault ;}

Oh, and I almost forgot. This "feature" of only allowing us to drag full stacks into/out of the vault, instead of the one or two that are needed. Please, life is too short.

[bigsix66]

That's exactly the plan for sorting IXP runes. It will also automatically sort LIs by class, rarity, and level. I'm hopeful that we can extend it to automatically sort crafting materials as well for the initial release, but someone else is handling it and I'm not sure what his timeline is like.

I appreciate all of the work you have done on this, ransroth, how responsive you have been to suggestions, and how diligent you have been about posting on the forums to give us updates on your progress.

[Ayrolen]

That new search bar has spoiled me, I want it on all vendors as well.

Yes yes one thousand times YES. I can't tell you how many times I've thought about that when I've opened up a vendor to get crafting items (especially when I'm cooking). I hate scrolling. HATE.

[RedlineJunkie]

I have really started to like working with the new vault. I don't miss the old one a bit.

For those of you who hate the new vault, I hear you, but since we're not going back, the best thing to do is take a deep breath, work off your negative emotional reaction somehow, put your best foot forward and give the new system a try.

I work in support, so I know (and understand) the reaction end users have to massive change (the Office "ribbon" for some folks was a nightmare to re-learn for instance).

When people get over their seething hatred of change, take a more positive attitude and give the new thing a legitimate shot, good things can happen. I know that doesn't work for everyone, but hey, like others have said, there's no going back.

Same here, love the new vault. Also happy about the level restriction being lifted, my storage will go way up once I unlock all the bags on my alts with in-game gold. Probably won't need to bother with the additional storage that costs TP once I do that.

[Hoppa_Joel]

I wonder if it could be possible to "unhook" one or two bags at a time from the new vault, if we could even just do one or two at a time so we could trade back and forth between those that would be great!

right now, th e issue of lack of inventory space makes organizing and getting things out of the vault really hard. I had to mule out three empty bag spaces, unload half of my bank vault at a time to organize them into bags, it was a pain.
So I'd love to have just even a couple bags we could unhook from that main space for item trading like we used to do between our own bags.

[Killevan]

Agreed. Imagine having a file cabinet in your office where instead of custom labels they just had numbers on them and than having to remember bills are in folder 1, invoices in folder 2, tax papers in folder 3, accounts receivables in folder 4, employee records in folder 5, insurance records in folder 6, etc. Extremely inefficient, I don't know anyone who would you such a system.

With that being said, I'll amend my earlier suggestions to include custom chest names:

First - Add width adjustment capability (similar to the height adjustment)

Second - Allow toggling on/off item descriptions (allowing for more than 2 columns of items)

Third - Allow manual sorting of items (automatic sorting should be an option)

Fourth - Allow renaming of chests (making it easier to recall where items are stored)

All of the above except for manual sorting are currently slated for the next major update.

This is good news, thank you for confirming this.

I've gone ahead and made a mock up of what these updates could look like.

** Disclaimer **
This is my personal concept of what it might look like and in no way reflects Turbine's design or actual future implementation, it's merely how I picture it could be.

[Monskers]

I know this won't be a popular post, but I actually like the new vault over the old one.

[Dayln]

There is more to life than being popular... I actually like the new vault too.

And am looking forward to the future changes mentioned.

You aren’t alone.

[Crimson_Praetorian]

Disclaimer: I like the new vault MUCH more than the old one. Kudos to ransroth for the planned updates and improvements, which I know many of us are glad to see.

Two things I'd like to see implemented would be:

• Drag-and-drop functionality between chests
• Multiple-selection of items

Drag and drop would be a great improvement. The right-click context menu is handy, but when you're organizing over a hundred items, like I did last night, it can swiftly become onerous.

Which brings me to the second item: being able to select five or ten or whatever items, then right-click to send them ALL to a particular chest would've shortened that same organization last night by half or more. Even if it's a "Shift-click" sort of thing, that would be super-handy.

I also reallyliked the suggestion from another poster earlier on the 'break-out' chests.

The new vault is, imho, a HUGE step forward in vault functionality. It's not where it could be, and there's definitely room for improvement in implementation, but the devs have said that most of the biggest things we asked for (naming chests, increased sorting options, width adjustment) are all on the way.

Again, well done, devs. Just keep listening to those of us with concrete suggestions (even those I personally disagree with) and we'll end up with something that makes the CDO-sufferers among us happy.

Yes, CDO: alphabetical, like it should be. :P

[MayaKate]

Try going in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

thing that is terribly important to learn about the vault is the little drop-down menu at the top that lets you do sorting... it's going to be really, really helpful when trying to find certain important things. Yes, I really wish we still had the classic spaces AND this, but those spaces were a bit unwieldy, too.

Figured I'd sort crafting stuff into individual chest, gems in one, ingots in another etc. but... unless you're willing to write down what you put into which chest (for every toon) you have no idea what's where. With 7 crafting toons that's not only very time comsuming but a royal pain.
And yes, the classic spaces could be a bit unwieldy but at least you could SEE EVERYTHING at one time.
And why does everything have to be so large, has someone at Turbine gone blind?
All the hype that's gone into this release and so many of the changes that were made are useless.