Things Seem to be Getting out of Hand

[Smorgheim]

Yeah, it really is a shame all these people are playing this game now. I hope the population shrinks to a point where the servers are finally shut down, then our kids won't have to read any of these naughty conversations. Anyway, my niece is here and wants to play Modern Warfare 2 (don't worry, I have the sound off so she won't here the swearing). She's so cute, always going for the headshot/throat stabs! LOL!!!

[Bradd]

Yeah, it really is a shame all these people are playing this game now. I hope the population shrinks to a point where the servers are finally shut down, then our kids won't have to read any of these naughty conversations.

Why do you believe the only two options are: 1) a game overrun by immature, rude, vulgar players, or 2) the servers shut down?

Why can't LOTRO maintain a mature community and still continue?

[Smorgheim]

Why do you believe the only two options are: 1) a game overrun by immature, rude, vulgar players, or 2) the servers shut down?

Why can't LOTRO maintain a mature community and still continue?

Because it clearly could NOT survive on people willing to pay. That's the price you pay for F2P. Sketchy community Vs' dead game.

[kerryak]

I just walked by a female and male toon in the MFM kinship, lol. Seemed tangential to the discussion - again, stuff like that isn't new, but ... lol.

[Smorgheim]

Free Speech has it's limits also. Did you know for example that at Disney World, if you're standing in the lobby of one of our resorts cursing and we ask you to stop, that we can (and frequently do) have Orange County come out and arrest you? Nothing you can do about it either, private property. Ten years ago in Orlando a man was barking out profanities at a public boat dock because he was having trouble launching his boat. A family near by called Orange County and he was arrested, tried, and convicted. The general US population seems to be very uneducated in terms of "Free Speech". Free speech didn't protect the person who got on the intercom at Walmart and asked all ______ to leave the building.

Somehow I knew that you worked at Disney World.

[Lotroien]

Not once have you mentioned considering turning off the chat. Report the offenders, and/or turn off the chat. You are more responsible then Turbine is at this point. And frankly, your elitist "It wasn't like this in my day" rant is a crock. There have always been bad elements. They just weren't as visible. Its a matter of simple ratios. The larger the population, the more bad elements. You've been made aware of the tools at your disposal. If you choose not to use them, then that is not Turbine's fault.

Why on earth should people have to turn off features of the game because a bunch of idiots are creating havoc?
Truly amazing this advice.
What is the next advice gonna be? To just leave the area's where the baddies hold their "awesome" summits? Get real!

If I have to shut off features of the game because Turbine will or/and cannot get a handle on things I just as well shut off the whole game and spent my $$$ elsewhere, it's that plain and simple.

[Zeowyrm]

Why on earth should people have to turn off features of the game because a bunch of idiots are creating havoc?
Truly amazing this advice.
What is the next advice gonna be? To just leave the area's where the baddies hold their "awesome" summits? Get real!

If I have to shut off features of the game because Turbine will or/and cannot get a handle on things I just as well shut off the whole game and spent my $$$ elsewhere, it's that plain and simple.

So don't turn off the chat. Report/ignore the offenders. Seriously, is ignoring people really that hard? I do it all the time.

[Xzim]

Free speech is infallible.

All these little tales of people being arrested are made up.

[Bradd]

Free speech is infallible.

All these little tales of people being arrested are made up.

How much evidence do you need? Here are other laws:

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of South Carolina:

SECTION 1. Article 3, Chapter 15, Title 16 of the 1976 Code is amended by adding:

"Section 16-15-370. (A) It is unlawful for a person in a public forum or place of public accommodation wilfully and knowingly to publish orally or in writing, exhibit, or otherwise make available material containing words, language, or actions of a profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature.

(B) A person who violates the provisions of this section is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

SECTION 2. Article 3, Chapter 15, Title 16 of the 1976 Code is amended by adding:

"Section 16-15-430. (A) It is unlawful for a person to disseminate profanity to a minor if he wilfully and knowingly publishes orally or in writing, exhibits, or otherwise makes available material containing words, language, or actions of profane, vulgar, lewd, lascivious, or indecent nature.

(B) A person who violates the provisions of this section is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 328 of 1931


750.337 Women and children; improper language in presence.

Sec. 337.

Indecent, etc., language in presence of women or children—Any person who shall use any indecent, immoral, obscene, vulgar or insulting language in the presence or hearing of any woman or child shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Oklahoma Statutes Citationized
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
Chapter 36 - Crimes Against Religion and Conscience
Section 906 - Obscene Language in Public Place, etc. - Punishment
Cite as: O.S. §, __ __


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If any person shall utter or speak any obscene or lascivious language or word in any public place, or in the presence of females, or in the presence of children under ten (10) years of age, he shall be liable to a fine of not more than One Hundred Dollars ($100.00), or imprisonment for not more than thirty (30) days, or both.

[Hyetal]

I am as big a fanboy as there is. Been with this game since 2006. I will not "rage quit" nor am I making "demands."

These are my observations on Landroval.

Since 2006 I have, when they are here, had my little grand kids sit with me playing the game...the girl is now 7 and the boy is now 10. Both have asked me to teach them the game (something I will no longer consider).

They have loved watching the game and I have had them chat with my kin and had them "play the game." I have never, ever, ever, had any hesitation having them with me as I played.

This weekend, however, I was afk. My little grandsone went into my office and was watching the game, observing the chat. When I walked in, my emotional, gut instinct was "Oh No! What has he seen!" And to head off criticism, I will turn the game off from now on when they or any other minor children are around.

In the past, this would never have been my emotional response. And this, along with chat today in glff, caused me to post this.

Things are getting out of hand. I know the GMs are doing their best, but at this point, but things are getting out of control in this game.

In the last three days I have seen multiple references to male anatomy, both the vulgar term and the anatomic term.

I have seen references to various sexual acts.

I have seen certain groups attacked.

I have seen the vulgar term for intercourse multiple times.

I have seen a discussion about the origins of the vulgar term for intercourse.

I have seen people asking folks to tone it down being mocked in chat.

I have seen people who use the most vulgar or terms, after being reported, stay in the game and not, apparently, being subject to a sanction.

These are my observations. Feel free to disagree.

Turbine, just my opinion.

Welcome to the human race.

XD No, really, I support your decision to isolate your children from reality and then dump it all on them the moment they turn 18 an expect them to come out just fine.

[Aolain]

Hyetal:

I respect your comment, but I do completely disagree with it.

You do mention "welcome to reality." It is true, for some people, "reality" is filled with cursings and sexual stories.

I would posit, however, that for most people "reality" is not a world such as this. I know that when I did my military service it was such a world (even there it was constrained, you would not curse in front of a superior). But beyond that, the lives of most people is not one in which people use foul language constantly. Indeed, I have terminated workers in a former career (in three seperate companies) for cursing at work--it was corporate policy.

I have never worked for a company where such language was acceptable. Where I work now I do have the freedom to use "rough" language (and show film with rough language and indeed, nudity) but that can only be used in the context of quoting someone and should be used with care with a "reason" for such examples.

Beyond that limited context of about 12 hours a week, such language would get one completely ostracized.

The real world of most people is not a world of sexual talk and 4 letter words.

I think that there are some people who do live in a world of foul language...that cannot be denied; school kids, perhaps non-skilled or low skilled workers, etc (this is not to say that there is a minority of highly skilled people who make it a practice to fill the air with blue words, however). I am also not contending that low skilled folks all curse or appreciate rough language or cultral practices.

So, from my perspective, those who advocate cursing, sexual, racial, anti-ethinc slurs, and general grade-school language are the ones who live in a world that is outside of what is reality and the norm in civilized society.

And, they live in a world (LOTRO) that has positive rules against such behaviour regardless of what either you or I think.

And as an aside, the idea that I have seen alluded to here in a couple of places about how children should be exposed to certain things is, er, well, disturbing if one thinks of broader contexts, the legal system, and excuses some people make for certain acts. Not that anyone here falls into that category,but that arguement is and has been used by certain peope....The law enforcement officers, attornies, and conselor types here know what I am talking about on this one--this is just an aside.

[BINKLEY1]

In the past, this would never have been my emotional response. And this, along with chat today in glff, caused me to post this.

+1 rep.

Thank you for posting this. I have seen the same shenanigans on Riddermark and my beloved Windfola. Some of it has gone well past ridiculous into the realm of verbal assault or the most extreme crudity.

Please, Turbine, find a solution to this. It mars the otherwise outstanding f2p launch. You have done such a good job elsewhere (gold farmers, what are those?) I fully expect you to solve this problem.

Cheers,
Gloimli

[Mircea12345]

No, this is not reality for most people. At home, I curse a blue streak, but I do NOT do so on chat, and would never do it at work.

I actually slipped up once about six months ago at work and said the f word. I was horribly humiliated and apologized profusely for it.

The kind of behavior we see here is not acceptable no matter who you are. While I agree that every instance of the word "damn" and such should not be greeted with condemnation, there are worse words out there that are seeing way too much use in the chats since f2p opened.

Swearing and sex stories may be acceptable in your guild, but keep them out of general chat.

[Dnisis]

I turned off the glff channel because of this. A great tool for getting a group is unusable because of vulgarity. I saw many things stated there that are not said in casual public discussions. I think some immature people talk like this to show their maturity. Unfortunately, it shows their immaturity. Here they are annonymous, so it is even better for them.

[Xzim]

How much evidence do you need? Here are other laws:

Yer too easy.

THIS is what I'm talking about. I was able to derail this topic for 8 pages with 3 posts and 5 min of my time. I could probably do it for another 8 pages with people like Brad at the helm of your community if I so chose.

The problem is that the LOTRO community is filled halfway with Google cowboys that will argue relentlessly until someone somewhere agrees that they are correct. And then you got the rest topped off with hyper sensitives that will kill a kitten if someone says something they don't want to hear.

Don't blame F2P'ers because your community is a dorment hate bomb ready to go off at the tiniest spark.

[Livejazz]

Free speech is infallible

It's also irrelevant to the thread, but I guess that was all part of you derailing the thread for 8 pages with 3 minutes of your time.

[Xzim]

There's no need for name calling. Keep it civil.

[bigboobaddy]

I've not seen much "blue" talk on Brandywine, even in and around Bree. But I don't subscribe to GLLF because when I did I was getting fed up with the inane chatter.

Whilst you can't stop idiots from posting whatever they want but if you find it offensive you can report them, i've had to do it once. Whilst the language hasn't got worse since f2p it has got much more frequent.

All I can do is politely ask them to stop and report them if I feel it's neccessary but it is something most of the people playing when I'm online on Brandywine don't put up with either. Whilst it's a game and is regulated by the user agreement/t's&c's etc WE as a COMMUNITY have a part to play in ensuring that people playing OUR game play nice.

[Bradd]

Yer too easy.

THIS is what I'm talking about. I was able to derail this topic for 8 pages with 3 posts and 5 min of my time. I could probably do it for another 8 pages with people like Brad at the helm of your community if I so chose.

The problem is that the LOTRO community is filled halfway with Google cowboys that will argue relentlessly until someone somewhere agrees that they are correct. And then you got the rest topped off with hyper sensitives that will kill a kitten if someone says something they don't want to hear.

Don't blame F2P'ers because your community is a dorment hate bomb ready to go off at the tiniest spark.

So, instead of having a logical discussion, you admit to being intentionally disruptive. Why? I do not understand that mentality.

IMHO, a lot of players are upset because they are tired of people who get some kind of enjoyment being immature and disruptive.

Turbine needs to rid the community of those immature distruptive people.

[Celt_Ainvar]

When I play with My nephew he also was young. I made My own Kinship and invited him. We play in the same room. So I can watch what is type and what happen on the game. There no channels or anything link to Chats other then Fellowship.

But a Suggestion for you. Is Have your kids Play Wizard101. It more tuned with them. They dont let cusswords and such and not a bad game. If someone ask your age they get ... as text. If you say a cussword it .... If a word is miss spelled it .... Even if you ask if where you live and you answer California all they see is .... Sickos can not join that game and get a kid location or cuss or talk about things that are not kid friendly.

My point is this. There are online games that are Made for Children and there ways to keep children from Seeing stuff bad chat on a game.

It is your responsibility to safe Gaurd your Children.

[Phaedrah]

How do you report people who harass in /ooc chat?

I had this one guy openly admit he loves disturbing advice channel all day. Then starts talking perversly etc.

I right click, report as spam or do I need to open a ticket? If so, how do we open a ticket for harassment? All I see is a report for bugs in game.

Thanks !

[Lochhi]

Yer too easy.

THIS is what I'm talking about. I was able to derail this topic for 8 pages with 3 posts and 5 min of my time. I could probably do it for another 8 pages with people like Brad at the helm of your community if I so chose.

The problem is that the LOTRO community is filled halfway with Google cowboys that will argue relentlessly until someone somewhere agrees that they are correct. And then you got the rest topped off with hyper sensitives that will kill a kitten if someone says something they don't want to hear.

Don't blame F2P'ers because your community is a dorment hate bomb ready to go off at the tiniest spark.

So, instead of having a logical discussion, you admit to being intentionally disruptive. Why? I do not understand that mentality.

IMHO, a lot of players are upset because they are tired of people who get some kind of enjoyment being immature and disruptive.

Turbine needs to rid the community of those immature distruptive people.

Immature and disruptive people like Xzim? I must heartily agree. When someone admits to trolling, they need to be gotten rid of.

[WarDad71]

Could everyone agree to stop feeding the dedicated forum troll - all that's being done when replying to any of "its" comments is giving that person a reason to exist (on these forums). Stop acknowledging it and it will not have a reason to be here. Unless, of course you're amused by all the depth of wisdom it has blessed us with.

Here's how you do it: when that person posts ANY comment at all and you feel you just "have" to set that person "straight" because that person will listen to "your" comment and have a change of heart...just don't acknowledge "it". Seems pretty easy.

[Pluck]

Here we go. F2P = evil. No long-term subs ever behaved that way they are all paragons of virtue and they're certainly not behaving that way now with their elitist attitudes. Wow I wish I was a lifetime sub how I would be elevated to sainthood, oh, if only *weeps*.

Actually, I remember when I first started playing in 2006. I was amazed at the quality of the conversations in the various channels, it was such a contrast to other games I had played. Over the years I always compared this game favorably to such terrible communities such as wow. I always felt the community in this game was a notch above.

Im sorry, but ever since f2p has come out, Ive seen much more **** in the chat channels. You may not believe what Im saying, but I am absolutely convinced the community has suffered.

[Burning25]

There are two conclusions we can take from this post.

1. Chat is bad. (Thought that was an obvious, there are many immature people and it clearly needs more moderation.)

2. The OP is a terrible grandparent. The game is rated Teen for a reason and I pity your children for how they were raised.

Edit: I also find it funny the OP is more worried about someone referencing male anatomy than having her grand children slice another fictional human being up with a sword. Man up and stop attempting to get Turbine to do your parenting for you.

You disgust me.