Guard wars!

[Hsahsirg]

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[Jaunt]

Guards can't DPS. Better call the whole thing off.

[ArcticAurora]

Guards can't DPS. Better call the whole thing off.

True, but they can heal.

[head0nfire]

Can I bring my warden?

[Hsahsirg]

Guards can't DPS. Better call the whole thing off.

Who said they could DPS in the first place?

I'm awesome at hiding in a corner and popping pledge, it's how I win all my fights. Don't need DPS for that!

[Hsahsirg]

Can I bring my warden?

Is your warden a guardian?

Bring your overly sensitive guard.

[Jaunt]

You should at least pick a raid other than watcher. Not all of us have as much acid mit as you.

Also you'll win all the spars because our swords and axes do acid damage.

[Hsahsirg]

You should at least pick a raid other than watcher. Not all of us have as much acid mit as you.

Also you'll win all the spars because our swords and axes do acid damage.

Well if I remember right the skum cloak had more supporters than the loth cloak in that thread by a good amount... SOOOOOO maybe I should stick to my suggestion of running watcher because not all of us have AS LITTLE acid mit at you. And yes I will win all the spars because acid damage IS plentiful in spars.

[head0nfire]

Is your warden a guardian?

Bring your overly sensitive guard.

[Jaunt]

I think you should double check your math. And, while Clog has its supporters, nobody denies that Clog is like, over seventy times harder to get, so I propose that we set up 6 guardian skumfil cloak runs. Because, like 5 1 in 6 chances on a 1 in 15 drop is way better than 0 1 in 1 chances on the same. Also, the guards with Clog should tank it, because the queen does sick acid damage.

[Feybobiam]

Well if I remember right the skum cloak had more supporters than the loth cloak in that thread by a good amount... SOOOOOO maybe I should stick to my suggestion of running watcher because not all of us have AS LITTLE acid mit at you. And yes I will win all the spars because acid damage IS plentiful in spars.

Because player population is determined by a single thread in a single window of time on a single forum.

Got it.

[Hsahsirg]

I think you should double check your math. And, while Clog has its supporters, nobody denies that Clog is like, over seventy times harder to get, so I propose that we set up 6 guardian skumfil cloak runs. Because, like 5 1 in 6 chances on a 1 in 15 drop is way better than 0 1 in 1 chances on the same. Also, the guards with Clog should tank it, because the queen does sick acid damage.

What math? the only thing I said that had anything to do with numbers was saying there was more people that claimed to use the skum cloak than the loth cloak. Go back and reread if you don't believe me it's all still there. And when was the last time you ran queen side till the cloak dropped? I've run through for people quite a few times since getting it myself and it is not anywhere near as hard as you claim it to be to get. And as I have said since that thread started I will take notable bonuses no matter how small (within reason of course) combined the skum cloak offers you more and not a CHANCE at having more a real amount more of several stats. Using your own math making up an identical situation for both you showed that the morale alone was the same as the evade chance whether that is true every time is not the point, on average the morale alone from the skum cloak is equal to all that evade on the loth cloak. And it was also nice how you tried to make it look like it was worse by changing the numbers around and not putting it in the same form as your evade scenario. If you'd like to discuss this further I'm willing to I guess I decided to see if I could get the event going because I was bored but this works too.


Oh and BTW thanks for turning a playful back and forth into another one of these threads.

Because player population is determined by a single thread in a single window of time on a single forum.

Got it.

It's obviously not, but I knew when I saw your forum name in this thread you would try to make it seem like that's what I meant. But I will ask again that you inspect every endgame player on a melee class even captains and hunters and see how many people wear that cloak. For an apparently worse cloak A LOT of people use it, way more than I see using the loth cloak. And it's obviously not hard to get the loth cloak, so people have and will continue to get that cloak over the loth cloak even with the increased difficulty. Or use the loth cloak till they can get one of the 2 barter cloaks from either enedwaith rep or mirkwood rep or the skum cloak which is something I see a decent amount.

[Jaunt]

I think you should double check your math.

This is the only semi-serious statement I've made in the thread. And by math, I mean the simple "one plus one is two, plus one is three...". Get it? It's clever. If you want to turn this thread into another...well, whatever, go for it, but don't go pointing the finger at me.

Clog being over seventy times harder? Come on, that's more ridiculous than guard DPS.

And my numbers represented only a tiny corner case. To say that they proved Clog is equal or better is like concluding that Florida and Florida alone elects the president of the US.

[Hsahsirg]

This is the only semi-serious statement I've made in the thread. And by math, I mean the simple "one plus one is two, plus one is three...". Get it? It's clever. If you want to turn this thread into another...well, whatever, go for it, but don't go pointing the finger at me.

Alright I guess, I think that's a weird place to put it after what I said though and along with the things said later in your post it sure looked like a genuine statement.

Clog being over seventy times harder? Come on, that's more ridiculous than guard DPS.

Too common on the forums to assume you were joking. And given your thoughts that ALL the bonuses are so much worse than 208 evade rating seems about equal to some of the things I've seen you say, like this. And yes I agree it's ridiculous to think guardians could DPS.

And my numbers represented only a tiny corner case. To say that they proved Clog is equal or better is like concluding that Floria and Florida alone elects the president of the US.

Yes but equally done with both, or at least that was what was implied. And if your numbers proved that under the same hypothetical situation the morale=evade but that was the only thing the cloak had going for it means after you add in the other bonuses skum cloak > loth cloak. Of course it doesn't always work like that but as we went over in the other thread the differences are so minimal that it's more about choices concerning ease of access when it comes to defense not the actual cloak, but when it comes to more than just defense the skum cloak wins hands down. BTW I generally use the new enedwaith cloak unless I'm in a group then I use the skum cloak. I would sooner use the cloak of shadow and flame over the loth cloak, I (as I have made clear) am more about consistent upgrades over a small amount of a chance at reducing some damage. We aren't talking about the difference between wanir-men and the zaudru necklace (SoA era) here we are talking about something that has no real impact on survivability at all.

And Florida alone DOES elect the president... didn't you know? I heard it on the TV so it must be true.

And I am due to boredom being more argumentative than usual, pretty easy to tell when I get bored it's the only time I post on the forums.

[Jaunt]

Congrats, it's one of those threads. I know better than to attempt serious discussion with you. Let's just keep it on the level of "guards can't DPS" and "wardens/guardians are better tanks because mine beat a 12 year old level 65 burglar in a spar once".

Yes, I get it, you hate averages and love constants. Except, of course, when those constants turn out the wrong way. Then you're all in favor of judicial activism.

[DackRover]

r u f'ing kidding me...clog-war thread deux ??????