Question about MoNf and Blinding Flash

[Khallan1706]

Hi,
I'm a little confused about this.

A lot of people recommend MoNF for the LM. I agree it is a great trait. But I'm confused about why it's recommended because of the way it affects Blinding Flash.

The trait changes Blinding Flash to a 5 second daze with a 15 second cool down. If I'm fighting 3 mobs, I send my Lynx in on one BF the second one and cast spells on the third. Problem is by the time I get one or two spells off on the third the second one wakes up and I'm fighting two and healing my pet at the same time.

Isn't it better to just trait three in MoNF so we have a 20 second daze and a 15 second cool down. I have it this way and also traited Beast-Lore. By the way I'm a level 35 LM.

Am I missing something here ?.

[Darlgon]

Actually, you are missing nothing. The way you crowd control in MoNF is massive damage to mobs not mezzing.. cor.. that is at end game. Not sure what level you are. Nor is that my gamestyle, it is just the theory I hear espoused.

[PsychobabbleJJ]

Am I missing something here ?.

about 30 levels .

Until you get improved sticky gourd (big AOE fire damage) from completing moria epic books, traiting 4 in MoNF isn't really a good idea unless you're very careful with your pulls. Sure you do have herb lore at level 36 (so you're almost there) which is good but (a) not spammable and (b) on a pretty long cooldown. Cracked earth is also good but if you're traiting 4 in red at lower levels you can't get that down to 5sec so managing it is a pain.

Traiting 3 in MoNF though is entirely viable as you level up. 20s is plenty long enough for blinding flash especially if you trait fast loader, and you get a pretty good bonus to your DPS from both the traitline bonus and the skills themselves.

[HumphreyMilkweed]

With each level, the Loremaster's lethality and survivability increases exponentially. Also, it's one of those classes that doesn't completely come into it's own until you have most of your traits and skills. At the early levels, it's basically the same thing with every mob, blind flash that guy, attack the other guy until dead, then do the same to the other guy.

Once you're truly fleshed out and have a ton of different options to approach combat, you're no longer restricted to using blinding flash all the time.

You should youtube some videos of LM's doing speed runs and soloing to get an idea of how this is accomplished. There are some people who play nothing other than red line once they get improved sticky gourd. And they are beasts without using blinding flash at all.

[La5eR]

Ideal situation: Open up with BE and WF on one mob, HL the group, stick pet on ranged, BL and SG BE'd and WF'd mob, ToW same mob. by then your pet and your targetted dps should still have all 3 mobs bunched up then you open up with CE and GoW to finish the two mobs with low health off, then finish the 3rd. Works every time.

If you still are having dps issues then run up and SL stun the entire group(this will wake up the HL'd mob) then toss down a MOTE, throw up AC, SW, then LS. If that entire sequence doesnt finish off the 2 low mobs with low health I dunno what will. Bear in mind that if you are using your Lynx youll want to get the Lynx far enough away from the HL'd mob that the CS doesnt hit it. But by this time is up the daze prevention buff on the mob will already be up and you can BL/BF a mob and do CE and GoW with ease.

[cyanpill]

I found things easier once I had march of the ents from 41+(depending on when you find the pages) and storm-lore at 48. Both are AOE stuns on a 2minute cooldown, so you can use them every few fights when you get overwhelmed. And sticky tar is great too.

[Khallan1706]

Thanks for the help and the info. Here I thought I was doing something wrong . Thanks again and take care

[Darlgon]

Ideal situation: Open up with BE and WF on one mob, HL the group, stick pet on ranged, BL and SG BE'd and WF'd mob, ToW same mob. by then your pet and your targetted dps should still have all 3 mobs bunched up then you open up with CE and GoW to finish the two mobs with low health off, then finish the 3rd. Works every time.

If you still are having dps issues then run up and SL stun the entire group(this will wake up the HL'd mob) then toss down a MOTE, throw up AC, SW, then LS. If that entire sequence doesnt finish off the 2 low mobs with low health I dunno what will. Bear in mind that if you are using your Lynx youll want to get the Lynx far enough away from the HL'd mob that the CS doesnt hit it. But by this time is up the daze prevention buff on the mob will already be up and you can BL/BF a mob and do CE and GoW with ease.

AND, if you dont know what all those abbreviations are, you probably do not have the skills yet because you are too young. Heck, at 65, I have to try to figure some of them out. SIGH.. high levels who forget what it was like to be a baby LM.

[Khallan1706]

AND, if you dont know what all those abbreviations are, you probably do not have the skills yet because you are too young. Heck, at 65, I have to try to figure some of them out. SIGH.. high levels who forget what it was like to be a baby LM.

You're right I don't know them all. I'm stuck on WF, BL and SG. Checked the Lore Book and didn't see anything. Anyone care to help ?.

[PsychobabbleJJ]

You're right I don't know them all. I'm stuck on WF, BL and SG. Checked the Lore Book and didn't see anything. Anyone care to help ?.

yeah i think that poster was just trying to show of with heaps of acronyms for skills that aren't commonly abbreviated lol.

WF = Sign of power: wizards Fire
BL = either a spelling error or bog lurker (he says stick pet on ranged so I'm guessing bog lurker)
SG = sticky gourd (not AOE improved sticky gourd which 5-MoNF traited LMs use)

And that obviously is a rotation to use when you're five deep in the blue traitline and using the bog lurker capstone. There are better rotations if you're not imo, I'm a fan of the tanking loremaster style atm cause staff strike does awesome damage on quick rotation with the right legendary weapon. With that style of play your goal is to get the mob you want to target into range as quickly as possible, which means saving up your stuns until they are next to you rather than keeping them stunned at a distance (obviously you don't want too many guys beating on you, so cc is still used on multi-mobs).

[Khallan1706]

yeah i think that poster was just trying to show of with heaps of acronyms for skills that aren't commonly abbreviated lol.

WF = Sign of power: wizards Fire
BL = either a spelling error or bog lurker (he says stick pet on ranged so I'm guessing bog lurker)
SG = sticky gourd (not AOE improved sticky gourd which 5-MoNF traited LMs use)

And that obviously is a rotation to use when you're five deep in the blue traitline and using the bog lurker capstone. There are better rotations if you're not imo, I'm a fan of the tanking loremaster style atm cause staff strike does awesome damage on quick rotation with the right legendary weapon. With that style of play your goal is to get the mob you want to target into range as quickly as possible, which means saving up your stuns until they are next to you rather than keeping them stunned at a distance (obviously you don't want too many guys beating on you, so cc is still used on multi-mobs).

Thank you. Like Darlgon said "if you don't know what all those abbreviations are, you probably do not have the skills yet because you are too young'. And he was right I don't have them.

Thanks for responding PsychobabbleJJ. And all the other posters too.

[PsychobabbleJJ]

Oh and can I just say that this isn't a great rotation (i've tried to translate the acronyms):

If you still are having dps issues then run up and storm lore stun the entire group(this will wake up the herb lore 'd mob) then toss down an ents, throw up ancient craft, SW [...what is SW??? staff sweep? What skill, should possibly come between ancient craft and lightning storm in this rotation?], then lightning storm. If that entire sequence doesnt finish off the 2 low mobs with low health I dunno what will.

The longest induction in that set of skills by far is lightning storm. If you've run into melee range and unrooted a bunch of mobs this induction is going to go forever or get interrupted entirely. I don't know why you would start this attack off by trying to unroot the mobs. Lightning storm will do fine damage to a group bunched up enough to be caught in the same herb lore. If I had a situation like this with 3 mobs in a herb lore root, I'd get into lightning storm range and go:

AC
Lightning storm
run close
Storm lore (lit storm doesn't stun)
Ents
Cracked earth etc.

With that rotation there's no chance of either your storm or ents induction getting interrupted.