Petition: Remove the Orc Rude Emote

[DDRitter]

I'm sorry, but. LOL

[Jadowyn]

If the name is deliberately offensive, report it! If the animation can be deliberately used in an offensive manner, the same rule applies! Report it and ask for it to be removed. I will vote with the OP on this one.

We are allowed to complain about abusive or offensive names and have the other player's name changed.

So why should we not be allowed to complain and request the removal of an animation sequence that can be deliverately used to suggest offensive actions such as this?

LOTRO has always had a very mature player base, but with the advent of FTP we have gotten many less mature players joining our ranks. While I personally seldom PVP, I can see his point. And as this game has a much larger contingent of female players in its rank than most MMOs, removing an offensive animation is a reasonable request.

[landy]

That's funny. Poor women.

[InnerPieces]

Well, to the hecklers: you obviously want or intend the emote to be misused. That says everything we need to know about you.

Good topic for an OP. There are always a few children (and I don't necessarily mean minors) around to spoil things. Rude is one thing. Sexually humiliating and demeaning is another thing entirely.

Given some of the responses it sounds like banning wouldn't be entirely out of line. I'm not real big on the over-sensitivity we're experiencing in places like America. However, the only way this happens is through direct intent.

[Wargfoot]

One of the reasons I allow my 14 year old daughter to play LOTRO is because of the mature gaming community. Instead of the typical Everquest cover art featuring breast/bondage eye candy this particular game has always been about the story. I think that is one reason why we have the best community in online gaming.



Women are a growing force in the video game market, as I'm sure Turbine is aware:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/25/wom...me-online.html

The people who were disgusted were mature professional women.
The kind of people with disposable incomes.
Certainly not people I'd describe as thin skinned - they didn't start the thread, I did.

Remove the emote and replace it with something fun.
A Braveheart style waggle might be a good choice.
We can do better than Everquest.

[referral]

One of the reasons I allow my 14 year old daughter to play LOTRO is because of the mature gaming community. Instead of the typical Everquest cover art featuring breast/bondage eye candy this particular game has always been about the story. I think that is one reason why we have the best community in online gaming.



Women are a growing force in the video game market, as I'm sure Turbine is aware:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/25/wom...me-online.html

The people who were disgusted were mature professional women.
The kind of people with disposable incomes.
Certainly not people I'd describe as thin skinned - they didn't start the thread, I did.

Remove the emote and replace it with something fun.
A Braveheart style waggle might be a good choice.
We can do better than Everquest.

Okay, I just want to say when I was a kid my dad let me play Everquest and I didn't bat an eye at the elf woman tied up to the tree. I didn't think of it as 'sexual bondage, big boobs porn omg'...I just thought wow, I hope we can rescue her in the expansion! It's pretty ridiculous to want to censor things just because you think your kid(s) will get the wrong idea about them or it's 'inappropriate' to you...teach your kids morals and don't bash the fun games just because of YOUR biased perspective. Do kids see "sexual bondage" with a lizard man and an elf? I don't know, I didn't. Orcs are disguisting and vile monsters who I wouldn't expect to do anything within the human boundaries as appropriate or 'fun'. People will choose to be idiots and 'misuse' the emote but who are we to take away their freedom of choice. Yes, it's stupid...but it's within their right to do it. I'm a very mature person but I also know when to ignore or laugh off stupid things people do over a *game*. There's NO need to change something just because you don't have the ability to shrug it off, if you don't like the emote, don't put yourself in the position to see it. Lastly, please don't try to make all women who are gamers come off as overprotective, easily disguisted folk such as yourself. That is all.

[Fulksayyan]

so were under teh assumption teh orc was a man ? Lol if i had a nickel for every time a female player did /pushup on me id have a few nickels.

i agree with the above post, Orcs and creeps in general are by no way held to our standard of appropriate, For one, The big ugly spawns of evil! secondary, there Big ugly spawns of evil, and in case teh primary and secondary reasons were not clear enough the Tertiary is, There big ugly spawns of evil.

Moors is not mandatory, You don't have to be there to receive the /rude emote, If you choose to be there you are subject to an emote that can be misused, The emote is in no way more sexual then , /hug, or /pose, or The Festival item, Note Of affection,
Its no more raunchier then /fish_slap , i mean cummon slapping someone with a cold dead fish, that could be taken as offensive and demeaning if you want to throw a fit about it.

If Turbine were to consider replacing this emote, tehy would have done so when they encounterd problems with the other misused emotes that they edited.

Games do not make ppl, ppl make games, using the argument that it is rude and offensive is a personal viewpoint, and in no part helped by the fact that you encounterd a negative experiance with this, or rather a friend of yours did.
But thats just it! its a personal opinion, as others have done, they can choose to take it however they want, and others still wish to be taking teh (hopefully leagal) (insert random vice here) that your taking! Allow yourself to be immersed in that fact that Life in both real world and fantasy can be taken with a grain of salt, and it should just keep going..........

As for your reserve to report or have players booted, because of there misuse of the /emote, simply put, oh well, If they misuse it, and your offended, report it, if you get offended easily, just try and remember teh boy who cried wolf, eventually if your just being overprotective, they will start ignoring you all together. does that mean never repot anyone? no, does that mean what happend to you was wrong? yes it was, but, obviously nothing happend to teh player because of someones decison down the line not to do anything about it, wether it was yours, in not reporting it to begin with. (in which case bugger off and give it up) or the gm's (in which case, if they didnt approve of it, unless you wanan go to every GM online, nothing will happen, In my experiance A GM who can do something will do something.).

The suggestion to remove the /rude emote - summary unsigned

[IGolbezI]

Well, to the hecklers: you obviously want or intend the emote to be misused. That says everything we need to know about you.

i just love posts that begin with things like these.

to InnerPieces, you obviously make wild assumptions without real proof just to make a point. this says more about a person than being a little childish does.

ive never used the rude emote like this on an orc, but i dont want it to be changed either. its just something that really doesnt need to be changed. grow some skin.

so what do you know about me as a RL person now that i've divulged such delicate secrets?

Imagine it happening to your sister, or your mom, or a good friend.

Still funny? Or would you be offended on their behalf?

i'm a little more principled than that - i dont run on subjectivity if i can help it. i would say the same thing i said above... grow some skin, its just a game. if you cant handle someone doing a rude emote on you without "being disgusted", there are other things you could be doing with your time.

[InnerPieces]

Double post

[PF-Grumpy]

There is a simple solution to this problem.


Release after you are defeated. Don't sit there on one knee with your head at crotch-level and you wont have to worry about some orc coming and trying to "make the sex" on you.

/thread.

[Nimlaure]

That's funny. Poor women.

You seriously think that's funny? Or are you being sarcastic?

[Dankanthegood]

You seriously think that's funny? Or are you being sarcastic?

It is funny.
I find it so strange when people are so serious about an emote in a game
If someone get so upset about this, i cant imagine what would happen in rl lol

[Nimlaure]

It is funny.
I find it so strange when people are so serious about an emote in a game
If someone get so upset about this, i cant imagine what would happen in rl lol

Imagine it happening to your sister, or your mom, or a good friend.

Still funny? Or would you be offended on their behalf?

Would you be okay if I came up to you in the game and slapped you in the face over and over? Would that be rude or "okay" because it's in the game?

When we repeat rude behaviors in our games, eventually that will bleed over into our real lives.

[Dankanthegood]

Imagine it happening to your sister, or your mom, or a good friend.

Still funny? Or would you be offended on their behalf?

Would you be okay if I came up to you in the game and slapped you in the face over and over? Would that be rude or "okay" because it's in the game?

When we repeat rude behaviors in our games, eventually that will bleed over into our real lives.

I dont have a sis, and my mom doesnt play any sort of games lol

And as i said its a game, and yes i would be ok, since its just a game and it cant harm you in any way, think about it

Now if you rp i can see the point(but then again there are solutions, like log off and log in later)

[Phoenixknight]

The problem here is if you don't like his actions and they violate the T&C then report him. If she didn't like the actions.... try going to the rez circle instead of staying a corpse. Its a bit more fun. Otherwise, its a bit to busy out there to catch emotes like that. There are always going to be ways to make emotes and actions do what they aren't intended. The question is are you mature enough to move past others immaturity. As for young people playing the game, well to begin with it says that this game is not intended for children. Second, the moors tends to be a bit harsher in language and actions. I would not let my children play in the moors (if I had children)

[WulfiamKnightstar]

Imagine it happening to your sister, or your mom, or a good friend.

Still funny? Or would you be offended on their behalf?

Would you be okay if I came up to you in the game and slapped you in the face over and over? Would that be rude or "okay" because it's in the game?

When we repeat rude behaviors in our games, eventually that will bleed over into our real lives.

I know none of my female family or friends would care if it happened.

They are mature enough to know its just a game and would find it funny or just brush it off.

If you start going down the road of banning vague sexual references purely based off opinions then a lot of emote would get axed and you would also have to get rid of jumping and warg bites :P

[Blackgobbycat]

It is funny.
I find it so strange when people are so serious about an emote in a game
If someone get so upset about this, i cant imagine what would happen in rl lol

In real life there would have been charges laid...

[WulfiamKnightstar]

In real life there would have been charges laid...

In real life your not running around with a sword hacking up people. If you were though the last thing they would be worried about is you hip thrusting the air ala Ace Ventura

I find it rude and offensive when freeps/creeps thrust objects into me. Please ban all weapons! /sarcasm

You guys need to take 10 steps back into a thing called reality and see things from that prespective. If you want a real crusade join a charity, do volunteer work and try make a difference in the real world. This is just a game with orcs doing the Ace Ventura hip thrust

[MekilosDos]

It is funny.
I find it so strange when people are so serious about an emote in a game
If someone get so upset about this, i cant imagine what would happen in rl lol

I don't have a stance on this issue, really, but this quote amused me. In-game, walking up to an unconscious woman and hip-thrusting in her face is no big deal. In real life, the person doing the hip-thrusting would probably see some jail time. It amuses me that you "cant imagine what would happen," it really does.

[WulfiamKnightstar]

I don't have a stance on this issue, really, but this quote amused me. In-game, walking up to an unconscious woman and hip-thrusting in her face is no big deal. In real life, the person doing the hip-thrusting would probably see some jail time. It amuses me that you "cant imagine what would happen," it really does.

I think if you tried that with most women they would deck you and break your biscuits.

I doubt they would be doing much hip-thrusting laying prone on the ground covering their precioussss!

[Frisco]

I hate guys that think women are so helpless that they have to stand up for them. I cant stand you guys.

I read half of this thread and I already found two girls telling the OP to get over it.

Women are not helpless and they don't need guys standing up for their values. Jesus, you should hear my teen daughter playing left for dead. If she saw this thread she would be rolling her eyes.

Grow a thicker skin if you want to be in the Moors. If you can't stand the heat get out of the fire.

If you are a man or woman who hasn't been sexually assaulted, good for you. If you HAVE been sexually assaulted, and have gotten to the point where it doesn't bother you, good for you again.

But at least be human enough to recognize that not every person who has been sexually assaulted can get over it, and may be offended by simulated sex acts towards them or a friend.

This isn't a man/woman thing, so don't muddle the issue with a feminist knee-jerk reaction.

People--even people in this thread--have called for "thicker skin" and I'm willing to bet diamonds to donuts that they don't have thick skin, they just haven't been attacked the way others have. Just because it doesn't bother you when people attack OTHERS doesn't mean you have thick skin.


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To the rest of the "thick skin" crowd--

To quote, oddly enough, South Park:

You don't get it.

Until you read "dead baby" jokes in GLFF shortly after you miscarry a child, you don't get it.

Until you get beaten for being who you are, you probably don't get what it's like to be called racial or sexual slurs.

You probably don't fully understand the pain it causes some people to hear the mentally challenged continually slandered until you or someone you love is dealing with it.

Until you're sexually assaulted, you don't get exactly how unfunny jokes about it are.

You don't get it.

Lots of people in this thread don't get it.

It's okay not to get it. None of these things has ever happened to me--I don't get it.

Just don't assume that not being offended by things is a virtue, because you haven't been through it all.

Things get done and said in this game that would get you shunned/ostracized/physically harmed if you said them to a person on the street. But people still hide behind the anonymity of the internet and forget that you're talking or performing in front of dozens or even hundreds of people.

And what's funny is that you have LESS right to say/do these things in LOTRO because it's not a 1st Amendment right once you've entered the game.

So every time someone tries to write off their offensiveness and put the burden of tolerance onto the offended, I wonder exactly how dumb the human race is getting that we don't understand simple logic.


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Anyway,

/signed

Intentionally sexually suggestive emotes have no place in LOTRO. This is a no-brainer.

[JuaQuins]

It is funny.
I find it so strange when people are so serious about an emote in a game
If someone get so upset about this, i cant imagine what would happen in rl lol

In real life, if you were to do that, you would be sexually harassing someone.

There are Code of Conducts in real in the NBS, NFL, etc., why not this game.

This is not an issue of political correctness just gentlemanly behavior.

I'm with the OP.

[gimli4480]

In real life, if you were to do that, you would be sexually harassing someone.

There are Code of Conducts in real in the NBS, NFL, etc., why not this game.

This is not an issue of political correctness just gentlemanly behavior.

I'm with the OP.

Somehow a meaningless simulated action in a game is offensive and repulsive and you should criminally charged.

This happens to me all the time on my male toons. Sorry, this isn't just towards women. The first time it happened I laughed my *** off. Just take it like it is meant to be taken: with a grain of salt.