Clarification needed on the next Class Updates

[Galahadur]

What makes you think this is true? There is time for an Update 4 in July and Update 5 in September then Isengard in November. I'm assuming they keep putting out smaller content patches on a two month cycle but even if there's only an Update 4 sometime in the summer. That's more content than just Update 3 and then waiting till Isengard launches. Unless I missed a dev interview or quote somewhere but I haven't seen any confirmation that there will be no more updates after Update 3 until Isengard.

It has been hinted that there will be no more updates between Update 3 and Rise of Isengard.

[ImirielOfTheNorth]

Hey, if Loremasters were perfectly balanced and were made overpowered by the November update, why can't my perfectly balanced Guardian be made overpowered too?

Also, at person who said Champs can tank better than Wardens and Guardians.

Do you even play LOTRO?

[lf2536]

Why is there this idea that every class needs to be updated? Updates should be based on whether there is something about the class that is not working as intended etc., not on "that class got an update so we need one"

My warden is my favorite character and I see no real need for an update except maybe a boost to in combat power regen. I mean, come on, wardens, small fellowship in a box, do not need an update. Any update would likely be a nerf. No thanks, I like my favorite soloing character the way it is.

I have a 65 Guardian too and I personally see no weaknesses that need to be addressed in that class either. It seems well balanced and very effective as it stands. If it is not broken, don't fix it applies to this class too.

And my character in my Sig, champion, I am perfectly happy with this class too, nothing I can see that needs fixing so leave it alone on the same premise as above.

Updates should be on an as needed basis for classes, not on the basis of that class got an update so I must need one too.

no offense sir, but you honestly believe that Fist line is ok as it is? it doesn't need to be reworked? you don't think that Wardens need some form of update to make them raid tanks? (Wardens can tank raids, I'm not saying they can't, just not aswell as a Guard, and we need to be able to do that).

[0rdinary0wl]

Hey, if Loremasters were perfectly balanced and were made overpowered by the November update, why can't my perfectly balanced Guardian be made overpowered too?

All you have to do is turn on the stance.

[DemonicLemming]

Why is there this idea that every class needs to be updated? Updates should be based on whether there is something about the class that is not working as intended etc., not on "that class got an update so we need one"

My warden is my favorite character and I see no real need for an update except maybe a boost to in combat power regen. I mean, come on, wardens, small fellowship in a box, do not need an update. Any update would likely be a nerf. No thanks, I like my favorite soloing character the way it is.

I have a 65 Guardian too and I personally see no weaknesses that need to be addressed in that class either. It seems well balanced and very effective as it stands. If it is not broken, don't fix it applies to this class too.

And my character in my Sig, champion, I am perfectly happy with this class too, nothing I can see that needs fixing so leave it alone on the same premise as above.

Updates should be on an as needed basis for classes, not on the basis of that class got an update so I must need one too.

In the case of champs, there are some things that need fixed, primarily on a scalar basis: both Dire Need and Ferocious Strikes are significantly gimped at lvl65, compared to their effectiveness at lvl50, due to improper scaling.

There are a few other things, but I'll leave them for the champ forums. As a class, we don't need a big update, but there are a few things that could do with a clean tweaking.

[Rothan117]

no offense sir, but you honestly believe that Fist line is ok as it is? it doesn't need to be reworked? you don't think that Wardens need some form of update to make them raid tanks? (Wardens can tank raids, I'm not saying they can't, just not aswell as a Guard, and we need to be able to do that).

Could warden threat management be better, yes. They need a snap taunt to be effective tanks and more up front threat generation. But I do not tank on my warden very much, it is my premier soloing character. When I tank, I tank on my guardian. I used to tank on my warden but found tanking on my guard more fun.

If the fist line gets an update, it needs to be a rework of existing gambits, not new ones. There are already too many gambits and adding more will make it that much harder to keep the combos memorized.

[disappearingone]

Could warden threat management be better, yes. They need a snap taunt to be effective tanks and more up front threat generation. But I do not tank on my warden very much, it is my premier soloing character. When I tank, I tank on my guardian. I used to tank on my warden but found tanking on my guard more fun.

Na dude, Single target threat generation on warden is fine as is and multi target is fine also, Multi target just takes a tone of practice and rotation tweeks to get it down. Which is fine cuz thats why Warden tanking is fun and why Warden is a Advanced class. Wardens could use some sort of aggro management tool like a perceived threat stance/buff from gambit or even a threat dump tool of some kind, either or would work. What a Warden does not need a snap aggro tool. [ Never Surrender change excluded] You just have to Work at playing the class correctly and classes like champs and LM's need to know how to group with a Warden.

If the fist line gets an update, it needs to be a rework of existing gambits, not new ones. There are already too many gambits and adding more will make it that much harder to keep the combos memorized.

What was meant was not the gambits in fist line but the Yellow or fist trait line, as they are pretty bad. I dont think you will meet a Waden who dislikes EoB, Resolution, PB, WC or even Desolation, Its the trait line that stinks up the place not the gambits themselves.

In a fellowship Wardens are great top notch tanks everybit on par with guardians our heavy armor brothers. In raids however Wardens may struggle a bit with things like aggro swaps and generating threat on mobs aggroed to players in the other fellowship unless we have some time [What makes threat leaches so awesome is that they lower your fellowships aggro while raising yours but people out side your fellowship are unaffected..which stinks] but, all this can be overcome. The one area where a warden really needs help is in the field of the occasional massive crit where a guard will take less damage and can pop pledge if they need a warden basically can pop a pot hit racial [if its up] pray for a support/healing class to bubble them while they stack hots like mad. I guess the aggro management tool is a big deal too. Oh, and NS a wardens Threat recovery tool is abysmal.

[Elements21]

There are no class updates scheduled for Update 3.

Words cannot express how disappointed I am with Turbine after reading this.

[ANewMachine]

Words cannot express how disappointed I am with Turbine after reading this.

I for one would rather it get done right than get done quickly.

[gakj3]

Hey, if Loremasters were perfectly balanced and were made overpowered by the November update, why can't my perfectly balanced Guardian be made overpowered too?

Also, at person who said Champs can tank better than Wardens and Guardians.

Do you even play LOTRO?

rising ire with CD legacy > anything