Petition: Remove the Orc Rude Emote

[dragerslayer]

I bet you he was just joking and didn't mean to do something to disturb you. I understand that this might be a little vulgar but because i did not overreact to this in a game i doubt that my mother or sister is going to be killed by an orc. :P

but no one complains about tea bagging in shotters, why? simple it is a game a break from reality where things are serious and boring, in real life that would get someone in jail, in the game he meant it to be a "lol i beat you"

so please calm down and see if you can find this guy as a creep or freep and ask him if he meant offense



just my opinion

[Khafar]

Just report the people using it this way and move on.

In one game I played (can't remember which, now) there was a "whoa!" emote which caused the character to put both hands out in front at arm's length, hands up in a "stop" position. Well, it didn't take immature players long to figure out that if you did that about 2 feet in front of a female character... you can imagine.

Should they have taken "whoa!" out of the game? I don't think so. Dipsticks are going to be dipsticks, and if they cross a line into vulgar behavior, report them.

Khafar

[Nymphonic]

Just report it. I'm sick of things being taken away because someone is offended.

It's not that big a deal.

If you're gonna pvp face the fact that you will get insulted or smacktalked. And an emote is part of that. Even I, a PvE carebear, knows this.

100% /unsigned.

[UselessSmurf]

In real life your not running around with a sword hacking up people. If you were though the last thing they would be worried about is you hip thrusting the air ala Ace Ventura

I find it rude and offensive when freeps/creeps thrust objects into me. Please ban all weapons! /sarcasm

You guys need to take 10 steps back into a thing called reality and see things from that prespective. If you want a real crusade join a charity, do volunteer work and try make a difference in the real world. This is just a game with orcs doing the Ace Ventura hip thrust

You sir,Get + Rep

[nyatar]

LOTRO has always had a very mature player base, but with the advent of FTP we have gotten many less mature players joining our ranks.

F2P can't do Monster PvP; it was a subscriber.

Also, the whole "LOTRO was so mature until F2P" argument is really stale and very insulting to new players who aren't twerps.

[UselessSmurf]

F2P can't do Monster PvP; it was a subscriber.

Also, the whole "LOTRO was so mature until F2P" argument is really stale and very insulting to new players who aren't twerps.

You sir,Get +Rep also

[Yosoff]

There are alot of things in this world that are going to disgust you, but asking for a company or other entity to prevent anything that can be used to do so is a little much.

There are plenty of people that find it disgusting and plenty of others who find it humorous. Sorry, but people need to grow a thicker skin if they are offended by stuff like this in a video game and probably should tread carefully when turning on their tv.

The OP did not roll out a long list "of things in this world that are going to disgust you". This is a reasonable request regarding a single emote that was used in a way that crossed the line. Some people finding it humorous is not a reason to keep something that has been abused in the game.

Bottom line for me: The Teen rating on the game specifies violence and alcohol & tobacco use. It does not list sexual humiliation & necrophilia. The emote has to go.

[Grendaran]

You could also report the situation to the ESRB if it isn't resolved satisfactorily, to ask them to change the game's rating. That would affect their bottom line in a way which cannot be ignored. They would then have to fix the situation to get the rating restored.

[morpheme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYpHwfXzTA

[Sulthern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYpHwfXzTA

Oh boy....I can see the anti-Justin Bieber petition being drafted up now.

[DarkCntry]

You could also report the situation to the ESRB if it isn't resolved satisfactorily, to ask them to change the game's rating. That would affect their bottom line in a way which cannot be ignored. They would then have to fix the situation to get the rating restored.

And the ESRB would dismiss it. They don't have much in the way of affecting a game's rating for MMOs and the content that they provide simply because the ESRB doesn't police other people's actions.

Just because an emote in the game can be abused by using it incorrectly/not as intended doesn't mean the ESRB will go all "Hot Coffee" on Turbine.

As it stands, the person using the emote in a demeaning way is breaking Turbine's own rules and the players should be reporting them for doing so. There's absolutely no reason for Turbine to remove the emote.

[Hoppa_Joel]

Last night a human woman was defeated near Tirith Rhaw.
She assumed the death pose while the battle raged on.
An orc ran up to her and did the rude emote, which was hip thrustiing, thereby simulating an oral sex act.

I was in vent with the target.
All of the women in vent at the time expressed a great deal of disgust.
They endure getting ganked, steamrolled, and corpse jumped on a nightly basis and keep coming back so these aren't wall flowers.
That just happens to be one emote that really generates level of disgust - and understandibly so.

I'm not interested in players getting banned.
The emote needs to go.
It can be replaced with something fun.

I agree
Emotes that can be abused like this should be replaced with something else.


The warg "chicken" emote is good, and amusing, I don't see why the orc emotes aren't similar.

( to be honest I am not a fan of the /fart or /burp emotes, those usually lead to some one immature following you around doing it over and over )

Emotes should be used for fun/enjoyment not potty jokes or rude and disgusting visuals.

[DarkCntry]

I agree
Emotes that can be abused like this should be replaced with something else.


The warg "chicken" emote is good, and amusing, I don't see why the orc emotes aren't similar.

( to be honest I am not a fan of the /fart or /burp emotes, those usually lead to some one immature following you around doing it over and over )

Emotes should be used for fun/enjoyment not potty jokes or rude and disgusting visuals.

Then we should take out all emotes and all chat, as it can be abused by those who wish to abuse them. The point is, there's nothing in-game right now that couldn't be abused in some manner to disrespect other players...cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, after-all.

This is why we have a report function.

[Yosoff]

Then we should take out all emotes and all chat, as it can be abused by those who wish to abuse them. The point is, there's nothing in-game right now that couldn't be abused in some manner to disrespect other players...cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, after-all.

This is why we have a report function.

There's a difference between removing things that *could* be abused and things that *have* been abused. Changing a single emote is more like removing an ugly wart than cutting off one's nose.

[DarkCntry]

There's a difference between removing things that *could* be abused and things that *have* been abused. Changing a single emote is more like removing an ugly wart than cutting off one's nose.

Yes, there is a difference, however, the difference is that no one has been actively pushing other emotes into that territory, it's not that they cannot do so.

[Khafar]

There's a difference between removing things that *could* be abused and things that *have* been abused.

Come on. Doing that is simply an invitation for twits to come up with new and inventive ways to make every emote into some sort of vulgar act, prompting it to be replaced or removed. That's a whole different level of griefing, one far worse than what's going on here. Report individuals, not emotes.

Grendaran: player activities inside a game have nothing whatever to do with its rating. They rate game content and themes. Not game rules. Not player interactions. If there's an emote whose primary purpose seems to be something M-worthy, they might rate that. But that isn't the case. This sort of thing is one of the reasons all online games say something like "Gameplay may change during online play" when you're loading them... it's not going to be all sweetness and light once the general public starts playing.

Khafar

[Fulksayyan]

So, in essence we are attempting a discussion that seems rather drawn out on teh removal of a misused /emote

I agree that it should go down to player reports, not removal of the emote,

For the same reason they would have to remove the /rude emote they would have to remove the /taunt, /pose, /pushup, /Crazy, /flishslap emotes as well, all of which could be found as offensive by other social elements, as the OP seems to entail Was teh original problem.

I see no reason why this or any other emote should be removed, altho, if someone could please tell me how to get this drunk off my desk i would be much obliged !

I tryed the /kick emote, but well, yha......

So i made up my own emote /me drags the drunken begger off his table and throws him outside!

To much sadness and no avail, it didn't work

[Piggy1973]

Last night a human woman was defeated near Tirith Rhaw.
She assumed the death pose while the battle raged on.
An orc ran up to her and did the rude emote, which was hip thrustiing, thereby simulating an oral sex act.

I was in vent with the target.
All of the women in vent at the time expressed a great deal of disgust.
They endure getting ganked, steamrolled, and corpse jumped on a nightly basis and keep coming back so these aren't wall flowers.
That just happens to be one emote that really generates level of disgust - and understandibly so.

I'm not interested in players getting banned.
The emote needs to go.
It can be replaced with something fun.

Four years of playing lotro, i can tell you one thing for certain.
An "opinion is just an "opinion" not fact.
This is the veiw taken by huge organisations with worldwide paying customers.
If you want change may i suggest you provide substancial evedience to support said claim.

Peace out.

[Gladgilrian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYpHwfXzTA

^^^^^THIS!!!!! is truely offensive, please ban justin flavorofthemonth.

[Elderban]

I do find it disgusting myself. I really don't want some orc thrusting their crotch in my face, especially when they do it over and over and over again.

And the warg's rude emote isn't all that nice either.

[Wargfoot]

This is the veiw taken by huge organisations with worldwide paying customers.

Good point.
If a large company with paying customers believes it to be okay then it must be okay.
o.O

If you want change may i suggest you provide substancial evedience to support said claim.

Statistical evidence isn't required here.

I'm making the claim that the vast majority of players are fully aware of what the emote connotates. Nobody has disagreed with that assertion because the vast majority of us are familar enough with our own culture to understand body language. If it wasn't well understood what it meant then people won't misuse it the way they do.

"Why is that orc doing the hip thrust in my face?"

"I don't know."

"Is it an insult?"

"Perhaps he's congratulating you for a well fought battle?"

"Yes, that must be it."

That exchange would be rather silly.
We all recognize it as silly because you'd have to have been raised in a box to not know the meaning.

Nobody here, even those who want to keep the emote, has denied that the meaning is universally understood. If both sides understand it's meaning and we are all agreed on that point then a statistical analysis would be redundant.

[Wargfoot]

Then we should take out all emotes and all chat, as it can be abused by those who wish to abuse them. The point is, there's nothing in-game right now that couldn't be abused in some manner to disrespect other players...cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, after-all.

This is why we have a report function.

If you were to show a /pushup emote to a room full of people they'd understand it to be a pushup.
If you were to show an orc /rude emote to a room full of people they'd understand it to be a sex based insult.

It's true that the /pushup emote can be abused, but it's the abuse of an emote that is otherwise unoffensive.
It's true that the orc /rude emote can be abused, but it's the abuse of an emote that is inherently sexual and offensive.

To those that would report:
How do you punish someone for using a sex based emote to mimic oral sex?
Wouldn't it be like banning someone for using the /pushup emote to mimic excercise?

Seriously, let's just find a fun replacement for it and move on already.

[Lathius]

The OP did not roll out a long list "of things in this world that are going to disgust you". This is a reasonable request regarding a single emote that was used in a way that crossed the line. Some people finding it humorous is not a reason to keep something that has been abused in the game.

Bottom line for me: The Teen rating on the game specifies violence and alcohol & tobacco use. It does not list sexual humiliation & necrophilia. The emote has to go.

Some people finding it insulting is not a reason for it to go either. You must misunderstand me here, because I do not remember the last time I actually used that emote or even logged on my creeps. It is a video game and to be insulted by someone mimicking a sexual position is being pretty sensitive in my opinion. If you do not like it then retreat and they cannot do it anymore.

I am sure you have seen plenty of things in life that offended you or disturbed you that were not illegal. Does that mean they should be illegal cause you were offended? It is the same thing here. If we change everything that could possibly offend people then we will have nothing left because somebody is always offended by one thing or another.

[elvyen]

If you were to show a /pushup emote to a room full of people they'd understand it to be a pushup.
If you were to show an orc /rude emote to a room full of people they'd understand it to be a sex based insult.

It's true that the /pushup emote can be abused, but it's the abuse of an emote that is otherwise unoffensive.
It's true that the orc /rude emote can be abused, but it's the abuse of an emote that is inherently sexual and offensive.

You're making your same blanket statement, and absolutes statements are never accurate, no matter how often you spam them.

Yes it is sexually based. But it is NOT universally understood to be purely sexual as you claim. Why?
Context. You are not considering CONTEXT.

Yeah, a room full of people, passively watching an orc do a /rude emote might conclude that.
But, in the moors; an atmosphere of competition, taunting, trash-talking etc.., it has a different connotation.
As many others have said, This is the Moors! This is war.

I dont know about you, but when I see an orc do that to me in the middle of fierce combat in the moors, I dont say "Wow, that orc wants to have sex with me...or maybe hes bragging to me about how sexually capable he is. hmm"

No, because its in the context of the moors.
I see that and I say "Hes taunting me. Im gonna wreck him next time."

To those that would report:
How do you punish someone for using a sex based emote to mimic oral sex?
Wouldn't it be like banning someone for using the /pushup emote to mimic excercise?

This is a real tough one.

a.) Choose. -Decide if the individual's action crossed the line (rude taunt/ sexual assault)
b.) Evidence. -Take screenshot and or chatlog.
c.) Report.
d.) Judgement. -Devs decide if its a violation of the CoC.
e.) Action. -Discipline is/isn't administered in the exact same way it always is for violations of CoC.


Standard company procedures,
handled on a case by case basis.

The CoC; learn to love it
It's what keeps everyone in line, not opinion-based petitions.

[Wargfoot]

Some people finding it insulting is not a reason for it to go either. You must misunderstand me here, because I do not remember the last time I actually used that emote or even logged on my creeps. It is a video game and to be insulted by someone mimicking a sexual position is being pretty sensitive in my opinion. If you do not like it then retreat and they cannot do it anymore.

I am sure you have seen plenty of things in life that offended you or disturbed you that were not illegal. Does that mean they should be illegal cause you were offended? It is the same thing here. If we change everything that could possibly offend people then we will have nothing left because somebody is always offended by one thing or another.

The Slippery Slope Fallacy again.
Just because one incremental change is requested it doesn't mean we'll end up at the extreme you propose here.

To put the shoe on the other foot: Clearly if we allow this emote then people will insist that Turbine add even more explicit emotes. Pretty soon the game will be renamed to "Lust of the Rave Online" and you'll be able to by porno clips with Turbine points.

If the inclusion of the emote doesn't guarantee the extreme (hard core porn) the the exclusion of the emote doesn't guarantee the extreme (Hello Kitty Online) either. Please stop making this appeal, it's a really common logical fallacy this thread. Nobody believes that replacing the emote will turn the game into Sunday School Online.