Petition: Remove the Orc Rude Emote

[WulfiamKnightstar]

I was not making a statement about the emote. I was not making a statement about violence in the game. I was making a statement about maybe keeping a little tighter grip on reality.

I agree with you on that. I apoligise as i didn't mean it to seem as if i was directing it at you. I was using your post to make the same point.

[Frisco]

I hate guys that think women are so helpless that they have to stand up for them. I cant stand you guys.

I read half of this thread and I already found two girls telling the OP to get over it.

Women are not helpless and they don't need guys standing up for their values. Jesus, you should hear my teen daughter playing left for dead. If she saw this thread she would be rolling her eyes.

Grow a thicker skin if you want to be in the Moors. If you can't stand the heat get out of the fire.

If you are a man or woman who hasn't been sexually assaulted, good for you. If you HAVE been sexually assaulted, and have gotten to the point where it doesn't bother you, good for you again.

But at least be human enough to recognize that not every person who has been sexually assaulted can get over it, and may be offended by simulated sex acts towards them or a friend.

This isn't a man/woman thing, so don't muddle the issue with a feminist knee-jerk reaction.

People--even people in this thread--have called for "thicker skin" and I'm willing to bet diamonds to donuts that they don't have thick skin, they just haven't been attacked the way others have. Just because it doesn't bother you when people attack OTHERS doesn't mean you have thick skin.


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To the rest of the "thick skin" crowd--

To quote, oddly enough, South Park:

You don't get it.

Until you read "dead baby" jokes in GLFF shortly after you miscarry a child, you don't get it.

Until you get beaten for being who you are, you probably don't get what it's like to be called racial or sexual slurs.

You probably don't fully understand the pain it causes some people to hear the mentally challenged continually slandered until you or someone you love is dealing with it.

Until you're sexually assaulted, you don't get exactly how unfunny jokes about it are.

You don't get it.

Lots of people in this thread don't get it.

It's okay not to get it. None of these things has ever happened to me--I don't get it.

Just don't assume that not being offended by things is a virtue, because you haven't been through it all.

Things get done and said in this game that would get you shunned/ostracized/physically harmed if you said them to a person on the street. But people still hide behind the anonymity of the internet and forget that you're talking or performing in front of dozens or even hundreds of people.

And what's funny is that you have LESS right to say/do these things in LOTRO because it's not a 1st Amendment right once you've entered the game.

So every time someone tries to write off their offensiveness and put the burden of tolerance onto the offended, I wonder exactly how dumb the human race is getting that we don't understand simple logic.


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Anyway,

/signed

Intentionally sexually suggestive emotes have no place in LOTRO. This is a no-brainer.

[WulfiamKnightstar]

^^^
You can report people in the game for making offensive jokes, statements or performing offensive abuse of emotes. You also can put players on ignore or remove yourself from the given situration till a GM responds.

In real life you can't report people for the above unless it breaks the law in some way.

It's a unfortunate fact of life that to live in this world you have to steel your emotions against other people and the world itself. Life is not fair nor just nor right. I would wager that most people who have been through a lot are not going to take games seriously as real life is far harder to deal with much worse happening every single day. /Example - Someones being rudeoffensive to me in a video game and trying to cause offence? Big deal i got bigger issues and been through far worse. /report

[Khafar]

So every time someone tries to write off their offensiveness and put the burden of tolerance onto the offended, I wonder exactly how dumb the human race is getting that we don't understand simple logic.

Again: report vulgar behavior and then move on. It's a game, and if you're an adult, you get to have some say-so on how you respond to such events. I haven't experienced the traumas you mentioned either, but my wife has: several different sorts of serious abuse in her childhood and teen years. I can absolutely guarantee you she'd tell people to just ignore that sort of nonsense because some subset of people you interact with (online or off) are just going to be obnoxious jerks. Where the rules allow, make them pay the price by reporting them, but it's not worth spending any emotional energy on.

Someone doing /rude out in the open is just playing the game as it was designed. Someone doing that in the manner described in the OP deserves to be reported. If they make a habit of it, they just might get themselves banned.

Khafar

[Nymphonic]

I still do not see any need to remove an emote just because someone in pvp used it to ridicule someone.

Heck /lol is used to ridicule people all the time. I said it before and I'll say it again. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the fire.

Game does not=real life.

[JBGronin]

Game does not=real life.

Your right its a game therefore the actions described could then be called unsportsmanlike conduct. How many agree thats okay among gamers of any class?

[Piff]

If you are going to ask to the removal or altering of an emote based on the sexual implication (and, I'm not disagreeing with you; the pelvic thrust as an insult is akin to the crotch grab as an insult, both are sexual, not in that they wish to have intercourse with you, but that they are more sexually dominant than you.) then you also have to ask for the removal of all the /rude emotes from all characters, except for perhaps the Spider and Warg.

Why? Because all the /rude emotes are either implying sexual dominance or that the person doing the emote wants you dead (the cutthroat gesture), unless you're one of those nuts that thinks sex is somehow worse than violence and death.

In addition to this, you should also ask for the Moor Cowbell animation to be altered, as it also contains pelvic thrusting, which can, and has been used in a similar fashion.

[Fulksayyan]

In addition to this, you should also ask for the Moor Cowbell animation to be altered, as it also contains pelvic thrusting, which can, and has been used in a similar fashion

This is sooo true,

Your right its a game therefore the actions described could then be called unsportsmanlike conduct. How many agree thats okay among gamers of any class?

Hey i like to think im just as classy as teh next guy, but hey look at the iorny of teh statement you just made, Classy Gamers, Because im really sitting here with a bottle of expensive merlot sipping with my pinky finger up! Most gamers lack class, because this is after all just a game, were allowed to act out of the normal for us, RL does not apply simply because it isnt real life, We cannot expect that every single person out there is going to be mature, hell, its impossable to even ask for just a small handfull to be. Very few and increasingly dwindeling amounts of players actually possess any sort of class, if of course you describe class as not being tempted to do immature things when we think we cant be punished!.

Everyone does it because of teh nature of teh game, no one is above greifing in some way, it all depends on how you define greifing, what ruins your experiance, may make anothers entertaining, If this situation happend to me, Which btw the cowbell thrust has! i would find it hilarious, that the person was comfortable enough with me to try!, others could find it offensive, as the youtube rating on teh cowbell vidio showed, it was equilly liked and disliked!

[DerimFantastic]

If one has to go several others have to go and when they make new animations they have to have all this in mind... Ill give you a couple of examples of other animations that can be miss-used...

If you are lying down and someone comes and makes push-ups on top of you it looks what it looks like.
If for ex a hunter clears poison very close to another person it looks like they are grabbing something.

Id say that could count as equally offensive...

Me personally, doesn't matter. Its just animations in a game!

[Nymphonic]

Your right its a game therefore the actions described could then be called unsportsmanlike conduct. How many agree thats okay among gamers of any class?

That's when you /report the person. Not remove the emote.

[Wargfoot]

I hate guys that think women are so helpless that they have to stand up for them. I cant stand you guys.

A gentleman will stand up for a woman as a way of honoring her.
I'm not familar with the helpless woman mindset of which you speak - every woman in my life is tough.

My mother, at age 63, can run farther and faster than I can, but then she is a Senior Olympics gold metalist.
My wife has for the majority of our marriage has had an annual salary anywhere from 10 to 15K more than myself.
My wife has a masters degree (I don't) - I worked while she went to school.
My daughter just set the pole vault record for her high school and is in the top 10 in her class of 300.
My daughter is entering college next year for Engineering Physics - whereas I flunked out of Calculus.

If you doubt any of that PM me and I'll send you links to verify the majority of it.

As a man I can tell you that men have no respect for women that allow themselves to be treated in a sexaully aggressive manner. This is why street walkers, pole dancers, and playboy models are the subjects of jokes and poor treatment while at the same time an insult to 'mother' is considered fighting words. Unfortunately, women have been led to believe that in order to get respect they have to endure coarse behavior - exactly the opposite is true.

[heri_sinye]

I agree with the OP, and while I can understand that some people might want to keep the emote... why do most people have to be so offensive about it? It was a simple, calm and (I believe) reasonable request. If you disagree, go ahead, post your arguments against it, but I don't think insults are necessary.

[DarkCntry]

I agree with the OP, and while I can understand that some people might want to keep the emote... why do most people have to be so offensive about it? It was a simple, calm and (I believe) reasonable request. If you disagree, go ahead, post your arguments against it, but I don't think insults are necessary.

My guess is that originally this was posted in the PvMP forums, where a lot of this is a common exchange between the regulars there.

That said, what the OP is suggesting is to remove an emote because someone violates the rules that Turbine has set forth, the issue is that you should be reporting the violator, not removing an innocuous emote.

[gimli4480]

A gentleman will stand up for a woman as a way of honoring her.
I'm not familar with the helpless woman mindset of which you speak - every woman in my life is tough.

My mother, at age 63, can run farther and faster than I can, but then she is a Senior Olympics gold metalist.
My wife has for the majority of our marriage has had an annual salary anywhere from 10 to 15K more than myself.
My wife has a masters degree (I don't) - I worked while she went to school.
My daughter just set the pole vault record for her high school and is in the top 10 in her class of 300.
My daughter is entering college next year for Engineering Physics - whereas I flunked out of Calculus.

If you doubt any of that PM me and I'll send you links to verify the majority of it.

As a man I can tell you that men have no respect for women that allow themselves to be treated in a sexaully aggressive manner. This is why street walkers, pole dancers, and playboy models are the subjects of jokes and poor treatment while at the same time an insult to 'mother' is considered fighting words. Unfortunately, women have been led to believe that in order to get respect they have to endure coarse behavior - exactly the opposite is true.

There is a difference between being for equality and being whipped. I am for equality. You, sir, are whipped.

The emote is meaningless take it with a grain of salt and move on.

[JBGronin]

That's when you /report the person. Not remove the emote.

I agree with this was just sayin for the benefit of those who think the action neednt be addressed.

[Celt_Ainvar]

I read most of this tread. What I find if everyone found a issue with every emote or word we all be Mutes. We would not be talking on the forums and game We can take any word or emote and make it a evil thing.

[Janurien]

I am in full agreement with Wargfoot the rude emote is offensive. Corpse jumping in general is disrespectful but to simulate oral sex is beyond a joke. Anyone who thinks this is ok is childish at best and a pervert at worst.

[Nymphonic]

I am in full agreement with Wargfoot the rude emote is offensive. Corpse jumping in general is disrespectful but to simulate oral sex is beyond a joke. Anyone who thinks this is ok is childish at best and a pervert at worst.

That's when you /report and let the owner of the business handle it. It's their game, their product. If you aren't satisfied than you can take your wallet elsewhere.

What one person finds offensive isn't offensive for another.

My favorite comedy is Blazing Saddles. Other folks are up in arms over it.

[JuaQuins]

It is funny.
I find it so strange when people are so serious about an emote in a game
If someone get so upset about this, i cant imagine what would happen in rl lol

In real life, if you were to do that, you would be sexually harassing someone.

There are Code of Conducts in real in the NBS, NFL, etc., why not this game.

This is not an issue of political correctness just gentlemanly behavior.

I'm with the OP.

[hemenway90]

Not sure if this has been said or not, but you're basing this fact on whether or not orcs even have lust toward female toons, last I checked they don't make babies like hobbits do. They are clearly simulating a Triple H act, not a sex act.

I agree with the Justin Bieber thing as well.

[MekilosDos]

Not sure if this has been said or not, didn't read the whole thread, but how do you even know how orcs reproduce?

Well, given that they're corrupted versions of Elves, and that Tolkien said that they reproduce after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar (Elves and Men), I think it's safe to say they don't reproduce by spores.

[gimli4480]

In real life, if you were to do that, you would be sexually harassing someone.

There are Code of Conducts in real in the NBS, NFL, etc., why not this game.

This is not an issue of political correctness just gentlemanly behavior.

I'm with the OP.

Somehow a meaningless simulated action in a game is offensive and repulsive and you should criminally charged.

This happens to me all the time on my male toons. Sorry, this isn't just towards women. The first time it happened I laughed my *** off. Just take it like it is meant to be taken: with a grain of salt.

[Devildoc]

People need to get over themselves and stop being offended by stupid things.

I think it's much more immature to overreact to an offensive act than to do said offensive act.

Think about that for a little bit.

[MelodyneDarkshade]

Yada yada blah blah blarg jfhsdgfsjadfg and whatever else people wrote in this thread...

This gesture is MEANT to offend others.

You were offended by it?

Perfect. It worked exactly as designed.

Now get on with life. There are more important things to do.
Like, kill that orc that offended you.

[Nymphonic]

Like, kill that orc that offended you.

EXACTLY!

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