Rise of Isengard .... No new 3 man 6 man or 12 man gamescom confirmation

[Kvnw24320]

Hi

1st I'm not in beta so no NDA violations

I was at gamescom and had a chance to look at ROI even though this is in beta the game looks to be in a final build stage.

Instance join has Hele at lvl 75 and all the other classics we have now in the game NO new ones no Rift no anything else.... The new armour you get is bartered by sup 4th marks and you get the helm and shoulders from the dragon raid.

The area of ROI is not that big to get 10 lvls will not be hard as I guess quests gives loads of XP.

The main issue I have is how can you plan to launch an Xpac with no new end game apart from an old raid that was not ready. Also we are losing loads of content at 65 we can do Moria, Mirkwood, OD, etc with being 75 we will all be stuck in the new small area with nothing to but grind rep for weeks

I would rather they held it back for 6weeks and added instances and other end game

[angrolas]

Well thats just flat out rediculous. They are probably going to release some instances a couple of months after ROI, but chances are, they are only going to be available in the Store. Now all the trolls are going to have a reason to troll about..... great

[Ewie]

SO as you were at gamescon .


Tell us about the dragon raid - as that was confirmed to be in the expansion and you would have been able to join it .

[DobbelB_EU]

Not that I was expecting this in the expansion. People were just a bit too excited with the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence argument.

If there would have been instances at launch of RoI, it would already have been told, when the community started to become more and more pessimistic about the expansion.


The instances will most likely be held for updates, new land area's will be expansions.
So area's have to be bought by everyone (including vip), for the instances you have to stay VIP forever, or buy them separately as premium.

[Kvnw24320]

Hi

I did not get to see the dragon raid it was an open demo where you could sit a play with the game.

When I saw LvL 75 Hele, School & Lib and GB my heart sank :/

[Anoir]

Okey so Im 90% sure we wont get any NEW instances (ye yey some silly dragon i know) in this Expansion now.

Im suppose to level my toon to 75 and grind School/Library/Helegrod etc over and over again for the millionth time to get some new silly Superior Fourth Marks? That inst very... fun

Im really hoping I get proved wrong here.. im hoping they add some kinda NEW instances because an Expansion without any instances will only keep me interested in this game maybe 1-2 weeks after i hit 75..

Bad idea Turbine.. really bad

[Honvikuk]

The issue at hand is I'm sure Turbine Know fully what they need to bring to the table and whilst we'd love them to confirm XYZ we still have over a month to go. A month can see many changes. I am still very much hopeful that there are 3/6 person instances inside there but just not ready for Beta yet . Otherwise well. Mirkwood was cheaper and contianed perhaps 'more' per $. On the otherhand it is 10 levels, it is new books, it is 300+ quests.

But the thing is that all the instances we have in LOTRO are a 'cluster' and usually lead upto a raid. So far not seen info on an 'instance cluster'.

[Kvnw24320]

The issue at hand is I'm sure Turbine Know fully what they need to bring to the table and whilst we'd love them to confirm XYZ we still have over a month to go. A month can see many changes. I am still very much hopeful that there are 3/6 person instances inside there but just not ready for Beta yet . Otherwise well. Mirkwood was cheaper and contianed perhaps 'more' per $. On the otherhand it is 10 levels, it is new books, it is 300+ quests.

But the thing is that all the instances we have in LOTRO are a 'cluster' and usually lead upto a raid. So far not seen info on an 'instance cluster'.

Instances need to be tested in beta for 6 weeks min as Turbine know fully well this is to ensure no bugs exploits etc, the version I saw at gamescom was a beta version for sure. If they were going to release any of this with ROI in Sept it would be in this build as they would want to market it to get more people to buy ROI before it drops. If you look back to Mirkwood they said we were getting new instances raids and skirmishes in the first marketing release.

[DorianFalkenmond]

A month can see many changes.

Yes. You could win at a lottery. Certainly more probable than drastic changes to ROI until Sept 27th. I wish you good luck.

Experience shows that new stuff was never added after beta began. And that beta often did not change much, if anything at all.

[MoonwalkIntoMordor]

This isn't a surprise to me. The itemization developer diary pretty much gave away that we would have to grind old instances and skirmishes to get new gear. At least gives you another reason to savour the leveling process I suppose. I expect them to release an instance cluster in late 2011 - early 2012, otherwise 75 endgame is going to be awfully dull.

[Hirandiel]

Yeah this is a HUGE fail imo. I know a lot of people complained about Mirkwood when it came out (mostly about it being just a 1 region "expansion") but at least we got an instance cluster. So this time around we're paying 30 bucks for just some land, quests for getting to 75 and a raid we were originally supposed to get in April. AWESOME. I'm sure there will be new items in the store though.......

[DobbelB_EU]

Yes. You could win at a lottery. Certainly more probable than drastic changes to ROI until Sept 27th. I wish you good luck.

Is the Lotery back?

[Fortinobrand]

The problem is that if this is indeed true they've already gotten away with it. People rushed out and threw down their cash without waiting to see what exactly they were getting. It seems there are very few of us (such as myself) who refused to buy until Turbine stepped up with some details of the expansion (still waiting...)

Since people have already purchased, we as consumers have no leverage. The content will release with no new instances (a 24-person raid that was promised and failed in a previous release is not cool, and 24-man raids are NOT played by 90%+ of players), no new PvMP zone (even though promised,), nothing for established players to do but a quick solo line, then grind new rep and grind new armour in the same bloody instances we've already been running to death?

I suspect in a month they will announce some 3-man and 6-man content for sale (limited time only act fast!) in the store...and people will actually buy it. I mean hey, you put down your cash for Isen and got almost nothing but some levels and the right to grind new armour, need a place to wear that armour. More cash.

As long as players keep blindly throwing cash every time Turbine asks for it, Turbine has no incentive to offer product the players want and deserve. Want real expansions? Want bugs fixed? Want new content instead of scaled old garbage? Turbine needs to feel it. This requires two things -- stop paying them. Give them money for product, not promises. Second, tell them. Every time you go play something else because you are dissatisfied, shoot a quick email and tell them so. In the internet age consumers have power. Use it.

[Cazthelm]

Maybe they disabled some of the things so it was kept a secret til the release?

Hope so... I don't know...

[Armaius]

I've got to say...that, honestly, I'm not all that upset. I'm mostly a soloer anyway so running instances is somewhat rare for me. I preordered Isengard and still regret nothing. I feel that with a new region, 400+ quests, new and immersive story lines to enjoy, it will be worth my money and provide me with good entertainment.

On top of that, I seem to remember reading somewhere on these forums that Moria didn't ship with the instances it has now (though I can't speak personally, as I wasn't here whenever Moria was first released), they came later. So perhaps Isengard will be the same way? Just saying.

[Blndiebby25]

In my opinion I don't see this as confirmation that there won't be any new 3, 6, or 12 man instances. The product you saw at the convention was most likely set up for the convention doesn't mean everything was included in that preview. It might have just been set up for people to see the new region and a bit of what to expect. I might be wrong but I am not surprised that any new instances weren't shown at the convention.

Confirmation of there being or not being any new instances besides the 24 man raid from Turbine would be nice though. =)

[Kvnw24320]

Hi

Sorry its the current build, it makes no sense why they would not ADVERTISE the fact that ROI will come with end game other than the 24 man raid, as they have done with all other xpacs. Moria came with a lot of 6 mans and a 12 man raid lair.

Also why in the instance join pannel why could i See all the scaled instances and the new 24 man raid, trust me on this ROI will drop without any new 3, 6 , 12 man content

[Crell_1]

The product you saw at the convention was most likely set up for the convention doesn't mean everything was included in that preview. It might have just been set up for people to see the new region and a bit of what to expect. I might be wrong but I am not surprised that any new instances weren't shown at the convention.

Confirmation of there being or not being any new instances besides the 24 man raid from Turbine would be nice though. =)

We know the 3 PCs were the current Bullroarer Beta build for that date. That means, 'access to the dragon raid'...and whatever else is in the current beta build. This means, that any '3/6/12' man Classic Instances or Skirmishes are either being held back in Palantir, or don't exist. I'm inclined to assume the latter, because when content like an instance is 'locked/disabled' you can usually still see its name in the join lists. I don't think Turbine would waste time testing, writing and implementing something to just hide those instances out of sight, all it does is lessen hype.

This isn't confirmation of a lack of anything, but it isn't something that Turbine is likely going to shake unless they say 'the new 3/6/12 mans' aren't ready for launch, but they will be considered part of your expansion purchase, so buy now.

[AndraxxVanyar]

Maybe they disabled some of the things so it was kept a secret til the release?

Hope so... I don't know...

Sorry to disappoint you and all others, but according to Sapience (talked to him on wednesday), there won`t be any new instances, except the 24 dragon raid. No secrets, no hidden kept stuff that they will show on GC or PAX. But he said that they're working on the next stuff, and even if he can't confirm a date, it sounds like we're getting some new instances before the end of the year. I hope it won't take longer then 2 months, cause doing every known instance over and over again, grinding 4th superior marks, doesn't sound like satisfying endgame...

And also, the new raid wasn't activated on the Beta server, and there are no plans for showing that on GC. Maybe we get a new chance at PAX next week.

[JasonEvan]

If there aren't any new 3/6/12 man instances, why not add all of then with new quest parameters at level 75. I do mean ALL. Fornost needs to be included with new rewards at level 75. Same goes for Red Maid and Angmar. If they add a cluster to ROI after release and make me pay for it, ROI will be the last thing I ever purchase in LOTRO.

[Crell_1]

Sorry to disappoint you and all others, but according to Sapience (talked to him on wednesday), there won`t be any new instances, except the 24 dragon raid. No secrets, no hidden kept stuff that they will show on GC or PAX. But he said that they're working on the next stuff, and even if he can't confirm a date, it sounds like we're getting some new instances before the end of the year.

Did you happen to ask +Sapience (twitter.com/rickheaton) whether or not these 'future new instances' will be considered a part of the RoI expansion purchase?

[Honvikuk]

If that is the case that no new 3.6.12 ready for live wouldnt it make sense to DELAY isengard?. I for one would be more then happy to see Isengard delayed a month if it included them. The problem is $29.99 although not a bad price for some additional content it isnt so good if it excludes a portion of 'end-game'

[Tarahimal]

SWTOR and GW2 here I come.

This game is sunk for anyone who plays any other way but casually.

[AilsaN]

Instances need to be tested in beta for 6 weeks min as Turbine know fully well this is to ensure no bugs exploits etc, the version I saw at gamescom was a beta version for sure. If they were going to release any of this with ROI in Sept it would be in this build as they would want to market it to get more people to buy ROI before it drops. If you look back to Mirkwood they said we were getting new instances raids and skirmishes in the first marketing release.

Ok this doesn't look good, but how do we know that they haven't begun testing new 3-6-12 man instances internally? Still 5 1/2 weeks til launch...

[AndraxxVanyar]

Did you happen to ask +Sapience (twitter.com/rickheaton) whether or not these 'future new instances' will be considered a part of the RoI expansion purchase?

You know, its really hard to get some useable answers, cause like always, even if he knows, he couldn't say. It sounds like it will be offered for free, at least for them with Sub/LTA, like the Book 3 Update. If it will be included for F2P, don't know.