Compilation of changes to the Warden.

[horus418]

Secondly, I still don't understand why suddenly everyone forgot about the terribly OP warden BPE ratings. Look at Mysterions screenshots, that's with gear 10 levels out of date and without a build for the new stat mechanics and it still is damn sexeh.

The numbers people are so freaked out about are small enough that we don't need to cry wolf about it until we get in game, run some tests, and see how things actually hold up.

I know what you are saying but...

I've been doing alot of tank testing on BR, and have noticed that out of Champ, Guard, Cappy, and Warden, The warden is feeling a bit more squishy than expected. I know they aren't supposed to be able to take hits like a guardian, but it seems that because of the diminishing returns being under 50% common mit for medium armor, the warden is getting pretty hard capped on mitigation before even getting group buffs.

at 6100 armor, my warden has 49% common mitigation.

compare this to my captain who is at 58% with only 5200 armor.

I tried removing the shield on my warden to see if diminishing returns were hurting even his base armor level, and was surprised to find that with no shield he lost only 3% common mit. That shield was almost 20% of his armor.

Wardens are supposed to be avoidance tanks, so they should certainly be more squishy, but uness there are going to be ways to seriously buff up the BPE, I see this being a serious issue on any hard-hitting bosses.

Wardens will probably be able to hit 55% or so mit with Improved Tale of Warding, but compared to a Champ or Guard with the same buffs + ward/hedge hitting over 70% the choice for tanking raids and more challenging 6 mans (assuming some do show up) will be obvious.

[Tolfast]

Heals last 6 seconds longer now, it might not be doable right at the start of the fight but 30 seconds in it smells very doable.



The amount of time we need to activate stun immunity is the amount of time it takes us to click on the instant Battle Memory button, yes we take damage from it, but that damage is probably less than what the stun would have done to us with no BPE and all of our gambits ticking away.


And windows is telling me your name is misspelled, did you mean to spell it colorfast?

Not sure about the heals, I know this is something that was proposed in the early changes, but when I looked at the traits it was still 10% healing I think. If it is changed to +2 pulses then that would really help and prove that the devs thought about keeping heals and defensive buffs up

[MorliX]

I believe the actual difference in maximum common damage mitigation between heavy and medium armor is 15%, NOT 20% for starters (70% and 55%). I also think there was some mention of reducing that potentially by Graalx...but I have no further substance for that or the context he mentioned.

This "outrage" is no different than my own was in reverse, before we learned guards are getting a mitigation boost...and many of you told me then to chill, that it was all "theory craft," etc. It would have been nice if the devs had mentioned a plan to increase guard defenses in the paltry notes they gave guards...but they didn't.

Let's see how it pans out...if wardens are too far behind, you will certainly hear my support then of a further buff for you.

[Minyacairwen]

@morlix/mysterion: could you guys try to resolve your issues via pm please ?

@recent topic:

Secondly, I still don't understand why suddenly everyone forgot about the terribly OP warden BPE ratings. Look at Mysterions screenshots, that's with gear 10 levels out of date and without a build for the new stat mechanics and it still is damn sexeh.

Weren't those the screens where every b/p/e buff was activated ?
I certainly know that I have the time to keep Shield mastery and Wall of steel up 100% of the time...but don't have the time (in raids) to keep Dance of war or (shield-shield) up ... and don't see the need in non-raid-situations.

Also I don't see how lv75 gear would improve those stats. The set we have already seen grants tons of vita (not affecting b/p/e rating) and Might (raising block and to some degree, parry).
As block was already maxed on those screens I doubt the overall avoidance will get significantly better (no agi on end-game-set-armor).

That said, I think it will take some time to check out what the differences will be. Of course every guard fears being obsolete b/c wardens will get op and vice versa... it's still premature behavior w/o being able to test it yourself...


So thanks to everyone trying to update this thread with actual changes to the warden - and not comparing any classes in here... (go, start your own thread for this purpose please)

[MorliX]

@morlix/mysterion: could you guys try to resolve your issues via pm please ?

I do not troll his posts...that is a one-way street and direction of attack going on...I am replying to the substance of the thread only.

[SkateDr]

Does anyone happen to have any numbers on what our HoTs will be at 75? Just looking for the tooltip version. Want to compare/contrast for myself against the increase to BPE from different skills to see how things will change at 75 for preferred skill usage for survivability. Any help is appreciated in advance.

[Mysterion]

Does anyone happen to have any numbers on what our HoTs will be at 75? Just looking for the tooltip version. Want to compare/contrast for myself against the increase to BPE from different skills to see how things will change at 75 for preferred skill usage for survivability. Any help is appreciated in advance.

I'll try and get some screenshots for you when beta opens again tomorrow.

Edit: BR is down until further notice, screen shots are unlikely now.

[Quaidor]

Just noticed this post on the Hunter Forum
New Stat Passives
I haven't seen this listed anywhere on the beta forums but thought it was of some importance. They have change some of the passives that each stat gives. Of particular note is that fate gives critical rating (as opposed to tactical critical rating), vitality gives physical mitigation and resistance, and agility gives melee offence. I list them below along with whether or not they adhere to diminishing returns. Where constant, an approximate coefficient is given.

Might
Physical Mitigation (2 points per might)
Block Rating (4 points per might)
Parry Rating (2 points per might)

Agility
Melee Offence Rating (10 points per agility)
Ranged Offence Rating (10 points per agility)
Critical Rating (1.75 points per agility)
Parry Rating (2 points per agility)
Evade Rating(4 points per agility)

Vitality
Maximum Morale (3 morale per Vitality)
Physical Mitigation (2 points per vitality)
Tactical Mitigation (4 points per vitality)
Resistance Rating (2 points per vitality)
Non-Combat Morale Regeneration (7.2 points per vitality)

Will
Maximum Power (3 power per will)
Tactical Offence Rating (1 points per will)
Outgoing Healing Rating (5 points per will)
Resistance Rating (2 points per will)
Non-Combat Power Regeneration (12 points per will)

Fate
Critical Rating (1.75 points per fate)
In-Combat Morale Regeneration (1.5 points per fate)
In-Combat Power Regeneration (adheres to diminishing returns)


Will our vitality as tanks still account to 5 morale points instead on the 3 quoted above?
Also if warden physical mitigation is been reduced in comparrison to guardians, maybe the devs can increase the wardens physical mitigation inheritance from vitality? What you guys think?

[geoboy]

Those are specifically for hunters - namely the effects of vitality, might and agility.

[Mysterion]

It is still 1 vitality = 5 morale

[Quaidor]

Ah i see! My apologies! :s any chance we could get a similar table from a BETA Warden out there?
<-- Me = Forum Noob as seen!!

[Mysterion]

Ah i see! My apologies! :s any chance we could get a similar table from a BETA Warden out there?
<-- Me = Forum Noob as seen!!

I can try and get some screen shots if I can find that information. I hope it is what is displayed when highlighting each stat. Otherwise, I haven't seen a list like that posted anywhere for wardens.

edit:
BR is down until further notice and screenshots are unlikely now sorry

[Fleez]

Ah i see! My apologies! :s any chance we could get a similar table from a BETA Warden out there?
<-- Me = Forum Noob as seen!!

Well, We knew this (course, anything can change)

It is still 1 vitality = 5 morale

And we know now might is our base stat, so I would guess it would look more like:

Might
Physical Mitigation (2 points per might) ((maybe more than 2 ? one can hope, we are tanks.))
Melee Offence Rating (10 points per might)
Ranged Offence Rating (10 points per might)
Tactical Offence Rating (10 points per might) ((I'd hope we get a little tactical, is not WC and Goad tactical [one of them is, right ? too lazy to look right now]))
Critical Rating (1.75 points per might) ((ok, not sure if this one moves, or is still linked to agility.))
Block Rating (4 points per might)
Parry Rating (2 points per might)

Agility
Parry Rating (2 points per agility)
Evade Rating(4 points per agility)

Vitality
Maximum Morale (5 morale per Vitality)
Physical Mitigation (2 points per vitality) ((I wonder if we are going to hit cap too easy.))
Tactical Mitigation (4 points per vitality) (Why was this 4 for hunters ? [not that I am complaining ]))
Resistance Rating (2 points per vitality)
Non-Combat Morale Regeneration (7.2 points per vitality)

That is the logical guess... Course, the best guess is when Mysterion posts what is on the Beta. Thanks Mysterion !

[ANewMachine]

Crit is still linked to Agil. Only Burgs and Hunters get crit and offense from the same stat.

[Glantir]

Are there new carvings and/or hyms for wardens with the new crafting tier?

[Mysterion]

I can try and get some screen shots if I can find that information. I hope it is what is displayed when highlighting each stat. Otherwise, I haven't seen a list like that posted anywhere for wardens.

BR is not coming back up today. It is going to be down until further notice.

[Harperelle]

Bump for easy reference

[Mysterion]

Bump b/c still relevant

[Osolep]

Lol Mysterion, a lot of NDA violations throughout this post!

[Mysterion]

Lol Mysterion, a lot of NDA violations throughout this post!

Ya, I probably should have left those up. The only thing I probably needed to remove was any patch notes I posted. I was a little paranoid that day when the devs kinda pulled back the reigns of the beta testers leaking info. They really never confirmed screenshots were OK, but no harm has come of it yet.

[Regero]

Updated to include new info from Orions Diary. Also, Love to whoever said that Orions diary was just a recap of the compilation lol XD

[Mysterion]

Looking forward to the new "Compilation" - beta testers feel free to leak.