Freeps and Creeps of Snowbourn

[Parasuramdas]

http://dailystats.theblackappendage....owbourn-charts
That one is better, to see the "effect" of the hobbit raid =)



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Dunno how this happened (as I havend been playing lotro much since February) but the BAs are certainly a lot weaker now.

Anyway the Gram-lug ping pong wasnt that bad yesterday...

[Ixinix]

A guardian with cooldowns can be a little OP, I agree...but a champ?? No way. They may get the KB, but I don't see them getting out alive.

Oh there are situations where champs get killed after but it depends on whether they are solo-ing or in a raid. Also depends on whether they are targetted straight away or not. In many situations the champ can run into the raid and harrass the creep healers or even get a KB and still get out. I'm not making it up... I see it happen.

Whether or not champs can do it is not the issue though.
The main issue is that freeps have frontline harrassers (guardians, wardens, champs, burglars and even captains) and healers and ranged classes behind that with pools of tar between them. Creeps don't have this and this is one of the big problems in PvP at the moment for creeps at least. Creeps have no guardian or warden mirror class (assuming champs and reavers are to some extend their mirrors although champ AoE is miles ahead of reaver AoE) and this gap combined with way less DPS and way less CC means creeps are having hard times lately. What a time for me to return to PvP Outnumber buff up every day with a lot of hungry freeps eager to get their RoI shiny's.

Oh well Creeps are supposed to be farmed I guess... with RoI and F2P reavers renown gain will be through the roof I predict.

[Vilda]

Liliam needs some rest after these hectic days, so you can await her sister Hannako soon (fail burg)

[Eowene]

good day of pvp, ty for fun all

[Theandil]

same here, ty all for nice fun day/night and ty for all ppls who fight againts my spideh on 1v1

[Ursaking]

no.1 wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. drop the stupid rubbish with the thing that happened to you, it was ages ago, get over it, this is pvp forum it didnt happen in pvp it happened over xfire, and on the website, that rubbish has nothing to do with pvp so stop bringing it here.

no.2 poor poor poor poor hedvig, u got zerged? strange isnt it not having ppl spam heal u isnt it hedvig? now u know how solo'ers feel, or should i say ''SOLOERS FOLLOWING OTHERS'' but yeh its just creeps that get zerged, no. both sides get zerged, it was mainly freeps who got zerged but since 2-3 weeks ago freeps seem to have gained 100% domination everynight, but dont make out its just creeps who get zerged, none of us said it was just freeps, we said creep raids zerged, we didnt say freep raids didnt, but dw ill make sure myn do more than usual soon, coz im gunna have some fun with raids before isen. however hedvig you play victim.

Ah, look who's talking about spam heals.

No.1 -- Hedvig, when leading, is usually the first to die. I respect that about her. She leads the charge, she dies and still leads while dead. She does not stand at the back, nor the middle. She is not the first to run away when the raid starts fail. And she is definitely NOT a star hugger. So, before attacking anyone, get the facts right. Do your homework. Actually know what it is you're talking about.

No.2 -- Freep domination isn't due to skill. Certain freep raid leaders have none. No, instead, they put a call out for healers, for CC classes. The captains heal the minis, the minis heal the captains, the RKs put HoTs on everyone. I have to say, the raids are built really well. Shame such raids don't get to see much action, or challenge. Since, you know, they're made when only a handful of creeps are online.

No.3 -- You aren't having 'fun' with raids. You're using them as a shield while you shoot for 5 stars. Those who you put in your raids are nothing more than bodies used to throw in front of creeps to keep you alive while you soak up the renown their fighting provides you. Most who join with you probably don't care about being used. They get their renown. They're happy. But I think it's funny you won't be coming out anymore once you reach that 2k rating. Your words, not mine. Guess that'll leave your followers to their own devices.

By the way, good luck zerging Grams. Should be easy for you to get past the one shotters, what with all the healing you receive. Watch out for the increasing number of BAs I imagine any healing, no matter how great, wouldn't save someone hit simultaneously with 24 Vital Targets.

Food for thought

~Ferreus

[HebnesO]

With the current quality of creeps i'd be very surprised to see 24 Ba's hit off VT simultaneously...

[GrandCru]

someone hit simultaneously with 24 Vital Targets.

With the current quality of creeps i'd be very surprised to see 24 Ba's hit off VT simultaneously...

With the current quality of creeps I'd NOT be very surprised to see 24 Ba's hit off VT simultaneously...
Outwitting.

Thought for food

/meow

~Me

[Dweb]

The situation i have seen lately ... there is no point of talking about creep quality. How do you measure it if they get zerged by masses of freeps all the time ?
I took my time and played my wargie a bit yesterday. Mostly got tracked+zerged while being solo or even in small group. Only way to actually kill something is to gank the ones running back to join the zerg. And that lasted about few minutes before there was propably a ooc call for us. And getting tracked 10 times in 1 min is quite impressive.
Only managed to get few 1v1 fights and those were unlucky freeps running back to join the zerg.
But playng something else that has no stealth or ability to stay unnoticed by the hordes of freeps ... really i'd rather not play.

[Aervorn]

The reason why you were being tracked and killed so much on your warg is that currently there are groups that were made because of Lupinluk's warg raids. His raids are annoying for many while they are also a good source of renown for fellowships. That's why there are so many 6-man groups hunting wargs down nowadays.
So send all your regards to mighty warg leader.

[Eowene]

Ah, look who's talking about spam heals.

No.1 -- Hedvig, when leading, is usually the first to die. I respect that about her. She leads the charge, she dies and still leads while dead. She does not stand at the back, nor the middle. She is not the first to run away when the raid starts fail. And she is definitely NOT a star hugger. So, before attacking anyone, get the facts right. Do your homework. Actually know what it is you're talking about.

No.2 -- Freep domination isn't due to skill. Certain freep raid leaders have none. No, instead, they put a call out for healers, for CC classes. The captains heal the minis, the minis heal the captains, the RKs put HoTs on everyone. I have to say, the raids are built really well. Shame such raids don't get to see much action, or challenge. Since, you know, they're made when only a handful of creeps are online.

No.3 -- You aren't having 'fun' with raids. You're using them as a shield while you shoot for 5 stars. Those who you put in your raids are nothing more than bodies used to throw in front of creeps to keep you alive while you soak up the renown their fighting provides you. Most who join with you probably don't care about being used. They get their renown. They're happy. But I think it's funny you won't be coming out anymore once you reach that 2k rating. Your words, not mine. Guess that'll leave your followers to their own devices.

By the way, good luck zerging Grams. Should be easy for you to get past the one shotters, what with all the healing you receive. Watch out for the increasing number of BAs I imagine any healing, no matter how great, wouldn't save someone hit simultaneously with 24 Vital Targets.

Food for thought



~Ferreus

agreed with everything bar no.1
i wouldnt raid if i wasnt starhugging, but its clearly too hard to get the rating due to lamo creeps willing to charge 1 target through a keep. but it dosnt matter give up with the race for them before isen
after rumours of freep domination being even easier after patch, ill just zerg after the patch and get them alot easier since it will be safer + much quicker due to FREEP DOMINATION!!!

as for the ba's no u wont coz of guard shield wall - and 24 ba's u wouldnt get 24+ r7, and u wouldnt get all 24 to target me as not every1 follows rat n u know it, as for healing, yes minstrels can outheal 24 vt's coz they wouldnt all come in at the same second, would be delays - therefore allowing minstrels to heal + the dot dosnt stack so i wouldnt die from dots, so maybe u wanna do ur homework, as for the fun, aslong as my rating/renown goes up i have fun, will have more fun tho when ive gotten both so i can concentrate playing my warg or my champ in ettens + keep cappy for kin stuff + other pve things

[Equendil]

The situation i have seen lately ... there is no point of talking about creep quality. How do you measure it if they get zerged by masses of freeps all the time ?
I took my time and played my wargie a bit yesterday. Mostly got tracked+zerged while being solo or even in small group. Only way to actually kill something is to gank the ones running back to join the zerg. And that lasted about few minutes before there was propably a ooc call for us. And getting tracked 10 times in 1 min is quite impressive.
Only managed to get few 1v1 fights and those were unlucky freeps running back to join the zerg.
But playng something else that has no stealth or ability to stay unnoticed by the hordes of freeps ... really i'd rather not play.

If you were ganking the GY at some point with a pack or other nearby wargs, it's only natural freeps are going to hunt you down.

I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned, wargs I *know* are solo get a pass, I leave them alone in most cases unless it's just me and them of course, and I'll ask my friends to do the same if I'm grouped. I expect most freeps don't discriminate that way, but I also expect it's not just me. On the other hand though, any warg I remember being in a wargpack, well, if I see them out of stealth for whatever reason, I assume there's more nearby, I shoot first, ask questions later.

Mind, with all the warg packs and raids around, any name I don't recognize is likely to be treated as part of a pack. I would not call for the cavalry if attacked, unless I do see more wargs, but that's about the extend of the benefit of the doubt ...

Anyway, bottom line is: don't do packs or you *will* be zerged when you are solo, more often than may otherwise be the case.

Note: Just speaking generally, I do not know who's your warg.

[MessyR]

The reason why you were being tracked and killed so much on your warg is that currently there are groups that were made because of Lupinluk's warg raids. His raids are annoying for many while they are also a good source of renown for fellowships. That's why there are so many 6-man groups hunting wargs down nowadays.
So send all your regards to mighty warg leader.

Has nothin to do with it at all, total rubbish, its simple hunters spam tracking wargs, happens to all creep kinds the spam tracking, not just wargs.

Whats the first thing a hunter does at GV? Tracks for wargs. Especially the solo hunters who actually roam the map and not just stay at the back of the freep ball :-D

If you were ganking the GY at some point with a pack or other nearby wargs, it's only natural freeps are going to hunt you down.

I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned, wargs I *know* are solo get a pass, I leave them alone in most cases unless it's just me and them of course, and I'll ask my friends to do the same if I'm grouped. I expect most freeps don't discriminate that way, but I also expect it's not just me. On the other hand though, any warg I remember being in a wargpack, well, if I see them out of stealth for whatever reason, I assume there's more nearby, I shoot first, ask questions later.

Mind, with all the warg packs and raids around, any name I don't recognize is likely to be treated as part of a pack. I would not call for the cavalry if attacked, unless I do see more wargs, but that's about the extend of the benefit of the doubt ...

Anyway, bottom line is: don't do packs or you *will* be zerged when you are solo, more often than may otherwise be the case.

Note: Just speaking generally, I do not know who's your warg.

Thats actually a fair deal, but saying no packs is like asking the idiots who make the entire map blue not to do it.

The WL bug last night was a complete pain in the ### also last night, between a full blue map and that i ended up logging off earlier than intended. I dont mind freeps zerging now and again, we creeps do it when we can but lately the amount of freeps in the moors makes it impossible to actually enjoy anything :-(

[Dweb]

If you were ganking the GY at some point with a pack or other nearby wargs, it's only natural freeps are going to hunt you down.

I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned, wargs I *know* are solo get a pass, I leave them alone in most cases unless it's just me and them of course, and I'll ask my friends to do the same if I'm grouped. I expect most freeps don't discriminate that way, but I also expect it's not just me. On the other hand though, any warg I remember being in a wargpack, well, if I see them out of stealth for whatever reason, I assume there's more nearby, I shoot first, ask questions later.

Mind, with all the warg packs and raids around, any name I don't recognize is likely to be treated as part of a pack. I would not call for the cavalry if attacked, unless I do see more wargs, but that's about the extend of the benefit of the doubt ...

Anyway, bottom line is: don't do packs or you *will* be zerged when you are solo, more often than may otherwise be the case.

Note: Just speaking generally, I do not know who's your warg.

Well as i said only way to kill anything was in pack so go figure. Plus ofc i got zerged all the way even if i was solo and i havent been around on my warg for few months so you cant have seen me in pack

Anyways that wasnt the point i was just pointing out that people sayng smth like " average creep skill level " are just stating something they have no clue about. Cause theres isnt much you can do if you are outnumbered in all situations.

Cya in moors

[Bunkie]

The current crop stand back or run away, like huntards.

I don't run.. I slowly back off the balcony

[Sluggard]

If you were ganking the GY at some point with a pack or other nearby wargs, it's only natural freeps are going to hunt you down.

I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned, wargs I *know* are solo get a pass, I leave them alone in most cases unless it's just me and them of course, and I'll ask my friends to do the same if I'm grouped. I expect most freeps don't discriminate that way, but I also expect it's not just me. On the other hand though, any warg I remember being in a wargpack, well, if I see them out of stealth for whatever reason, I assume there's more nearby, I shoot first, ask questions later.

Mind, with all the warg packs and raids around, any name I don't recognize is likely to be treated as part of a pack. I would not call for the cavalry if attacked, unless I do see more wargs, but that's about the extend of the benefit of the doubt ...

Anyway, bottom line is: don't do packs or you *will* be zerged when you are solo, more often than may otherwise be the case.

Note: Just speaking generally, I do not know who's your warg.

Hmm, but that's a double edged sword Eq - those that are soloing and getting spam tracked are more likely to group (I surmise) in the future.

I very rarely join a pack or group of any kind on my warg, maybe twice in the last six months and that was just to see their tactics.. for various reasons Still, grouped hunters spam track me all the time and chase me half across the map and you are often part of the group tracking me.

That's fine though, I enjoy the hunt on both sides of the fence: when I'm hunting a freep on my warg, when I'm avoiding hunter groups on my warg or when I'm hunting wargs on my freep... sometimes duo-ing with you

...but like I always say, I'm not here to tell people how to play the game. You have fun in a Warg Pack... cool. You want to spam track Wargs with a group... cool. You want to solo... well, you get it. Just be aware that everything you do will have a consequence down the line - which works both ways... ...I'm sure lots of freeps don't like my play style for lots of reasons. Do I give a frick...? Yeah, I love it, bring it on

[Dweb]

Specialy for Eq - fate of wandering warg

[Andluk]

How is that a fair deal? All wargs have to go solo now and not be in a radius of xxx metres of another warg when attacking a freep to avoid being ganked by freeps?.

[Eowene]

No.3 -- You aren't having 'fun' with raids. You're using them as a shield while you shoot for 5 stars.
~Ferreus

ive had raids up b4 u know lol, b4 i was after 5stars, so pls shut up kiddo and do ur trolling elsewhere

[Aervorn]

Has nothin to do with it at all, total rubbish, its simple hunters spam tracking wargs, happens to all creep kinds the spam tracking, not just wargs.

Play your freep a bit more in Ettens before you judge what I say. Nowadays each evening there is at least one group that is focused on tracking wargs. When there are enough of my mates in Ettens we form one ourselves.

[HebnesO]

Omg, people get killed in Ettenz... what to do!!!?

[Stoggerius]

Omg, people get killed in Ettenz... what to do!!!?

Where is tha police when you need them?

[Dweb]

ive had raids up b4 u know lol, b4 i was after 5stars, so pls shut up kiddo and do ur trolling elsewhere

Kiddo say's the lad who made raid for revenge, cause he got killed by some creeps....

[Etheldar]

Thing about wargs getting zerged ... honestly, wargs have the best possibilities to escape from a zerg, slow that lasts for ages, sprint every 5-10 min, dips, cjs.

I.e. comparing to the hunter's survivablity it's a completely different story.

[Eowene]

Kiddo say's the lad who made raid for revenge, cause he got killed by some creeps....

if uve never starhugged u wont understand so dont even bother commenting, ur 1 of the ppl i reported anyway for ur trolling/insulting me in chat, rather than keeping quiet about ur views.