Dunland quest warning: 'Seeking a Solution' can potentially break your progression

[Ofelie]

fixed!

[Laire]

This happened to me. Another solution is teaming up with someone who is also on the quest and killing the mob with them. I got lucky and someone came along right away and joined my group; but yea, it can get sticky in the future...

[Nymphonic]

Ouch! That's serious!

[Berephon]

A fix for this is going in the next patch.

[xandervix_tog]

In my 3 years of playing, I have never submitted a GM request. How do you actually do that? (Sorry for my ignorance!)

[Finborhur]

So, finally we will be able to continue quests in Gravenwood? What about those who abandoned this quest? Will we be able to take it again somewhere?

[Fin.]

A fix for this is going in the next patch.

Next patch, as update 5 in December?

[Hurin]

Next patch, as update 5 in December?

No. I think it's safe to say he means one of the hotfixes that usually follow closely upon a major release.

[Fin.]

No. I think it's safe to say he means one of the hotfixes that usually follow closely upon a major release.

Currently there is nothing safe to say. If he said "patch" it means patch, and the only patch we known about at the moment is update 5 patch.

He could say it will be hotfixed, but he did not.

[Hurin]

Currently there is nothing safe to say. If he said "patch" it means patch, and the only patch we known about at the moment is update 5 patch.

He could say it will be hotfixed, but he did not.

Sigh. . .

from the link in Sapience's signature. . .

Patch
Larger than a hotfix but significantly smaller than an Update. These tend to be primarily bug fixes or minor adjustments to existing content. Items that were deemed important, but not critical will usually end up in a patch. There is a caveat to a bug being addressed in a patch: halo effect. An issue that’s important but has very large potential ramifications for other systems (meaning it could end up breaking more than it fixes) may be held until they can be included in an…

So, there you go. No more assuming. Facts. It's too bad I had to spend the time finding it for you though since it was safe to assume based on context.

Attitudes like that are exactly the reason we can't have nice things on the internet.

--H

[0rdinary0wl]

Attitudes like that are exactly the reason we can't have nice things on the internet.

It's terrible we can't have nice things on the internet. I guess that's how we ended up with RoI.

[BrianDavion]

If you abandon it you have to contact a GM. They solved it for me by giving me the pick-axe quest item again.

E: and you can send a ticket by going to the game options menu and selecting 'help'

so GMs will fix this now?

great! hugs and kisses turbine!

[Gwailion]

It's terrible we can't have nice things on the internet. I guess that's how we ended up with RoI.

You ended up with RoI for all kinds of reasons, the most important being that in MMO beta testing the overwhlming majority of beta testers never report bugs, a large portion of beta testers are looking for exploits and another large portion are simply gathering intel for faster advancement or to gain a self/clan advantage, these figures are increased any time any PvP is involved too.

[BrianDavion]

You ended up with RoI for all kinds of reasons, the most important being that in MMO beta testing the overwhlming majority of beta testers never report bugs, a large portion of beta testers are looking for exploits and another large portion are simply gathering intel for faster advancement or to gain a self/clan advantage, these figures are increased any time any PvP is involved too.

indeed if a bug is to the benifit of players (like an infinate XP exploit) it proably won't be reported

[Zetsubousensei]

You ended up with RoI for all kinds of reasons, the most important being that in MMO beta testing the overwhlming majority of beta testers never report bugs, a large portion of beta testers are looking for exploits and another large portion are simply gathering intel for faster advancement or to gain a self/clan advantage, these figures are increased any time any PvP is involved too.

I miss the days when responsibility for a shoddy product actually was on the guys who made it. Having an open beta in no way releases Turbine (or any other company) from that. Any bug that goes through is 100% their fault. Or are we expecting companies these days have no such thing as quality control?

[Gwailion]

Expecting companies to release perfect products is also unrealistic, the modern era of expecting to pay almost nothing followed by uneducated whining about some issue or other is pretty pathetic too, tbh i think that most gamers get what they deserve, those of us with more patience have learned not to stess over such things in the knowledge that they do get fixed, and for the most part they get fixed pretty quickly,

[MilkPudding]

I miss the days when responsibility for a shoddy product actually was on the guys who made it. Having an open beta in no way releases Turbine (or any other company) from that. Any bug that goes through is 100% their fault. Or are we expecting companies these days have no such thing as quality control?

As a programmer, I'm not sure what to say about this but a very 'uninformed complaint'.

The QC that you are talking about here simply cannot be compared to the QC of, let's say, a pan, in the past.

[Hurin]

Those complaining that modern software is buggy might as well rail against water being wet or the sky being blue. Because you're railing against reality itself.

Why? Well, here's the most accessible (to the layman) explanation I've ever stumbled across. Some may not like the truths it tells, but they're still true.

[Yula_the_Mighty]

Why? Well, here's the most accessible (to the layman) explanation I've ever stumbled across. Some may not like the truths it tells, but they're still true.

That is one of the best explanations that I have ever read. I've given a similar one to many new software developers. I do not give it to users. It seems to upset them.

[EU_Orc_Bane]

Those complaining that modern software is buggy might as well rail against water being wet or the sky being blue. Because you're railing against reality itself.

Why? Well, here's the most accessible (to the layman) explanation I've ever stumbled across. Some may not like the truths it tells, but they're still true.

Fascinating read. Someone should have pointed the developers of Duke Nukem Forever to the section on "Market Window"

[erikave]

I had something similar happen on the quest "Munfaeril's Warning," which is the shrine near (I believe) Barnavon. Near the end of the quest chain, you have to summon the NPC by clicking her shrine to be able to talk to her. If you summon her, and someone else talks to her before you're done, and they finish before you do, your quest window will close and she will disappear. The shrine wasn't available to be clicked anymore. I submitted a bug report, of course, and a GM (after an expected very long wait) summoned her for me so I could complete it.

[Ailedra]

Those complaining that modern software is buggy might as well rail against water being wet or the sky being blue. Because you're railing against reality itself.

Why? Well, here's the most accessible (to the layman) explanation I've ever stumbled across. Some may not like the truths it tells, but they're still true.

Saved. That link will come in handy. Brilliantly explained.

[Kerin_Eldar]

However, if another player is nearby and they or their pet manages to tag this mob, you lose the kill credit and are prevented from completing the quest, and thus all follow-up quests in the Rohirrim camp are closed from you.
Canceling the quest in order to reset it doesn't help since it isn't bestowed by an NPC, but a one-shot spawning quest item. Apparently this item isn't returned to your inventory when you cancel it.

What a terrible piece of game design, you'd have thought 4 1/2 years of this game being live would have taught the quest designers not to make such a fundamental error.

Those complaining that modern software is buggy might as well rail against water being wet or the sky being blue. Because you're railing against reality itself.

What I find unacceptable is the lethargy with which many bugs having non-trivial impacts on players never get fixed (stuck BG warg being a classic but by no means unique), this one certainly should be given a 'hotfix' priority rather than calling it a 'patch' with absolutely no idea if/when it will be released before Update 5.

BTW, the link you gave actually isn't an answer to the post you replied to, that poster's key point was that whatever it's called there's no ETA, and that link doesn't give a clue either.

[Hurin]

What I find unacceptable is the lethargy with which many bugs having non-trivial impacts on players never get fixed (stuck BG warg being a classic but by no means unique), this one certainly should be given a 'hotfix' priority rather than calling it a 'patch' with absolutely no idea if/when it will be released before Update 5.

You mean a bug that keeps you from completing a single quest should be treated with the utmost urgency and patched in a hotfix rather than a patch that might come along a few days or weeks later? I'm sorry, but that doesn't seem terribly reasonable given the inherent risks involved in rushing out code changes.

BTW, the link you gave actually isn't an answer to the post you replied to, that poster's key point was that whatever it's called there's no ETA, and that link doesn't give a clue either.

If you're referring to the first link I posted in this thread, and the quote from Sapience, then yes, it did fully answer his concern. He did not ask for a release date, he asked if the upcoming "patch" we had just been told about was referring to "Update 5" due in December. And the answer to that is "no" because a "patch" is a patch, and an "update" is an update.

That fully answered his question stated as: "Next patch, as update 5 in December?" I'm not sure where you're seeing a "key point" different from that given that was the entirety of his post. (EDIT: ) He wasn't asking "when will the patch be?" He was asking: "You mean we'll have to wait until the update in December!?!"

--H

[Hurin]

It's definitely a critical bug.

My mistake and apologies to both you and Kerin_Eldar (on this particular point). I misunderstood and spoke out of ignorance.

(though I'm still not sure this should be classified as a hotfix-class bug (worth of risky rushing of a fix) given that there are work-arounds and GMs can address.)

--H