Tracking an Old Goat

[TheCorbinator]

There is a sound and reasonable way,
"My Playstyle sorry three star excuse" way,
and the Turbine way.


If a Deed is designed to need quest text reading aware players, Tracking an Old Goat is flawlessly executed and Implemented.

That is all.

Correction, this deed is horribly executed, implemented AND DESIGNED.
How many times do I have to say it?

There has NEVER BEEN A DEED that you CANNOT COMPLETE at ANY. GIVEN. TIME.
So! Care to enlighten me on where we freakin deviated from the NORMAL game development path?

Furthermore, the quest text DOES NOT STATE where all seven quests are. Reading the quest line DOES NOT GUARANTEE COMPLETION.
That in itself is flawed.
The design is stupid.
The implementation is a joke in both a real AND game sense.

This whole quest series is forevermore a scourge on the game for completionists, hardcores, and those who like to farm random nodes of ore.

There is no defense for this deed. There is no defense for this design. There is no defense for this concept.
It's all bad. Period, end of story.

Want proof to my claim? Check out the 14 page thread (and growing) that you're probably going to post in claiming I'm crazy, bitter, outraged, or all of the above.

[wasteland]

Headcount did get fixed a while back. Hope this also gets fixed.

Awesome! It appears I am behind in my forum reading then. It's been an itch that my main has not being able to scratch since the start of SoM.

With that in mind; I have every confidence that Turbine will fix this Old Goat deed Soon™

[wasteland]

There is no defense for this deed. There is no defense for this design. There is no defense for this concept.
It's all bad. Period, end of story.

Want proof to my claim? Check out the 14 page thread (and growing) that you're probably going to post in claiming I'm crazy, bitter, outraged, or all of the above.

When I first saw the quest which would have cancelled the remaining quests/deed I paused, opened up the deed, added it to the tracker, completed the rest of the quests, completed the deed, then thought to myself "Lucky I didn't click Continue on that earlier quest". Then I headed to the forums knowing full well that there would be a thread about it and I was not disappointed.

While you are over-reacting somewhat*, I do agree that having deeds such as this one, where they can potentially reach a point of no return, is not a good design.

* It's for fortitude right? I mean who in their right mind uses that anyway?

[LadyDena]

If a Deed is designed to need quest text reading aware players, Tracking an Old Goat is flawlessly executed and Implemented.

Do go right ahead and ignore all the people who said they had read every word of the text of this quest and still could not tell that this npc may have X number of other quests that they will never be able to complete because this npc will never appear anywhere else in the game to give the rest of his quests.


These apologists may just as well cheer all the holes in the Pit of Iron as 'flawlessly executed and implemented' in order to teach the players to "Pay Attention To Terrains". See how easy it is to do these mental backflips to turn something obviously stupid into something seemingly virtuous?

[Jarnos]

There has NEVER BEEN A DEED that you CANNOT COMPLETE at ANY. GIVEN. TIME.
So! Care to enlighten me on where we freakin deviated from the NORMAL game development path?

The do 400 tasks deed would like to see you in his office sir...
For a long time , when tasks ended at 58 ( or 56?) there was no way to get this deed.

And then there are the Festival deeds, which can't be done at ANY. GIVEN. TIME. NEITHER.

[thegrayone]

An accidental piece of information that I discovered that may help some people. I read the warning about this Old Goat deed, but I stupidly clicked on 'Continue Quest' when I spoke to Andreg after completing the scouting quest and sent him away.

However, in my case, I had all of the quests and I only needed to kill two more crebain and two more orcs before I had to hand it in to Andreg to complete the quest. I started to complete the quests anyway just to see what would happen. Then all of a sudden, when I killed my 10th orc to finish that quest, I saw a ring show up on my map! I followed it and saw that a fellow player by the name of Isilwing had her own Andreg and the golden ring was on top of him! I spoke to Isilwing's Andreg and handed in the orc quest and then asked her nicely if she would accompany me to kill one more crebain and complete that quest. She happily helped me on this and I was able to hand in the crebain quest to her Andreg and eventually finished off the Old Goat deed.

Thanks Isilwing!

[Jarnos]

Perhaps there is also a way for this to work if you haven't got the quest.

Share!

Form a Fellowship with someone who has the quests, and see if they can share it with you.

( or is this in a solo instance of some sort?)

[BrianDavion]

The do 400 tasks deed would like to see you in his office sir...
For a long time , when tasks ended at 58 ( or 56?) there was no way to get this deed.

And then there are the Festival deeds, which can't be done at ANY. GIVEN. TIME. NEITHER.

Ohh and I died at level 9. I've got 2 or 3 deeds I can't complete eaither!

seriously, all this deed gives is 5 turbine points and a rank of honor. 5 TPs isn't something to be upset about, and honor is easy eneugh to get I've got it at rank 8 on my LM and I wasn't even "farming" it

[Cliford]

Why ppl here trying to prove me I am not reading quests when I doing it?
Red text inform you about nothing. It's not linked with deed or even do not inform you is there any more quests. Every one who read the quest should know that. I have strange feeling that mostly ppl who done deed saw big red letters, googled it, and they found "whining" of some guy who didnt done it before them.
My point is, there know about it couse firstly someone failed that deed. And second thing, sorry, I shouldnt be forced to google anything in that game.

[Jarnos]

Ohh and I died at level 9. I've got 2 or 3 deeds I can't complete either!

seriously, all this deed gives is 5 turbine points and a rank of honour. 5 TPs isn't something to be upset about, and honour is easy enough to get I've got it at rank 8 on my LM and I wasn't even "farming" it

I don't think they are upset about the 5 TP or the Honour, but the fact the deed remains unsolved in their log.
Some people are completionists and hate having undone deeds active.

The difference is the undying deeds don't actually show UNTILL you get them, so these don't bother them.

[Korrigan]

Finally...a rewarding experience for those of us who like to actually pay attention to the game, read the quest text, and savor the plot lines....

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Ditto, old man, ditto.

When I started this, I also noticed the "you have a new deed" icon, which I clicked and therefore I saw what it was all about.

It's a bit like the "Undying" title... you missed it? Well, yeah, you missed it.

Fascinating...I was trying to figure out why there were 7 objectives on this. Turns out someone tried turning off the deed, and added a blank objective instead of properly hiding the deed. The deed CAN'T be completed. I'm sending this to OCR for the Known Issues list. Crud.

Edit: There actually 4 discoverables, contrary to my original comment.

I have no idea what you're talking about, since I completed that deed just fine... weird o_O
EDIT: ah it's ok, I saw you corrected on next page

[Rinnegan_EU]

The only deeds that your Deed log shows are ( or should be) those you CAN complete. Even the festival ones, and other special event deeds you will be probably able to complete in the future.
Deeds that cannot be completed should stay hidden to not to bother the player.

Every deed in LotRO works this way. Correct me if i am wrong.
So I assume that this deed I will be able to complete in the future or they will hide it in the next Hotfixes.

[Norwrei]

The only deeds that your Deed log shows are ( or should be) those you CAN complete. Even the festival ones, and other special event deeds you will be probably able to complete in the future.
Deeds that cannot be completed should stay hidden to not to bother the player.

Every deed in LotRO works this way. Correct me if i am wrong.
So I assume that this deed I will be able to complete in the future or they will hide it in the next Hotfixes.

I don't want it hidden because it cannot ben hidden in my mind. Hiding it will not resolve the issue for me. I personally find it unfair that i was not able to complete the deed due to a random bug which prevented me from having the same exact quest that everyone in my fellowship got.. "hunting the pack". I want the quest and deed both. I earned it.

[Galborion]

nevermind... it wont change anything...

[TheCorbinator]

The only deeds that your Deed log shows are ( or should be) those you CAN complete. Even the festival ones, and other special event deeds you will be probably able to complete in the future.
Deeds that cannot be completed should stay hidden to not to bother the player.

Every deed in LotRO works this way. Correct me if i am wrong.
So I assume that this deed I will be able to complete in the future or they will hide it in the next Hotfixes.

This ^

All deeds can be completed.
The Failtacular cannot.

[Banaticus]

I accepted the quest while on horseback. I read that the whistle would summon him, but I didn't want to bother him if he was busy -- I wanted to go to where he normally was. I looked around but didn't see Andreg. Since the other quest from that NPC directed me to the ranger camp, I decided that Andreg must be over there, so I rode off to complete two quests at once. If I hadn't received that quest to go to the ranger camp, I probably would have summoned Andreg there, but...

Anyway, so I finally got to the ranger camp, figured out that he wasn't there, and summoned him. I then went and started working on quests, completing the closest one first. Once I ran to that close spot, I picked up a new quest which turned out to be the one that would make him unavailable. I read that red text and tried to cancel it, but the quest cannot be canceled. I tried to ignore it and I was able to complete two quests but then he disappeared and the darn whistle wouldn't resummon him because I had the uncancelable quest that was the "last" one.

I was running about and noticed Andreg trailing along behind another player and was able to turn the "kill crows" quest in, but didn't get any others, so I reluctantly turned in the "this is the last quest" as well. Poor writing/scripting that apparently wasn't really beta-tested, but then that's been true for a majority of the new quests this release.

[Korrigan]

This ^

All deeds can be completed.
The Failtacular cannot.

Wrong. If e.g. you failed "Undying", you either have to reroll or you'll never get it on that char.

I fully support the addition of deeds for those who cautiously read quest texts, like in this case. Grinding raids is rewarded, I don't see why people who actually pay attention to the work of the developers who made all those quests wouldn't be rewarded too.

[Norwrei]

Just want to thank the OP for creating this thread because I was gonna do the same. Hopefully the devs are reading.

[geko]

I like the idea of having a quest giver follow you around and needing to take him to the right spot to get his quests, but he should not provide his final quest (which ends his existence) until all his quests are done. That final ring above his head makes it very hard to know if you found the next quest spot or if you are done. I hated the guy in Annuminas too for this.

[Happyfish]

Wrong. If e.g. you failed "Undying", you either have to reroll or you'll never get it on that char.

I fully support the addition of deeds for those who cautiously read quest texts, like in this case. Grinding raids is rewarded, I don't see why people who actually pay attention to the work of the developers who made all those quests wouldn't be rewarded too.

Up to that point I had never encountered a mobile quest giver, so I had no idea what was going on. He gave me three quests, 2 that I completed then the 3rd appeared to be the summary of those quests. I figured doing those two completed the quest chain (hence not caring about the red text), I had no idea there were other hidden quests related to this character. Does the red text actually say "there might be other quests not given by this character that will be unavailable if you do this quest?" If that's the case then you are right, but I'm pretty sure it doesnt say that.

Edit: Did anyone else chase Andraig bound to someone else. I was getting really annoyed at one point because I saw a quest icon appear on my minimap only to see it racing across my screen following another player. "Hey you ranger get back here!" I cried in frustration. Then I realized what the whistle did and felt dumb.

[Celebria]

Having the option to dismiss the quest giver before all the quests he has are done is simply poor planning and development.

The option to dismiss for good should not come up until all quests are either accepted or abandoned.

[Quetzal]

Haven't read all the posts, but add me to the list of very frustrated. Wandered around for a long time trying to get quests. Eventually I turned in to Saerdan b/c I figured 5 quests was all I was going to get. Didn't realize that the red warning text also pertained to a deed. Please provide someway to complete the deed; completionists pull their hair out over this stuff.

[Chewie-nl]

Easiest solution for the devs would be an auto remove deed code it you failed the deed so its gone from the deed tab, i messed the deed up on 1 char got it done on the 2nd.

Would be nice if the deed would be dismissed from the first

[hucklebarry]

Its sad to me that everything gets so quickly reduced to hardcore versus casual

As others have stated, I fully read the quest, turned in everything I had and then took his last quest. I was fully expecting the last quest to complete the chain as MANY quests turn into several other quests that complete chains and deeds.

I love deeds and quests that have consequences. I do not feel as though this one was very clear. The player has no idea if the last quest will be one or a player session with 5 branching quests.

The Pit of Iron was a single quest started from a guy that sends you to look for a dwarf. How was the player supposed to know that the deed ended NOW by accepting a quest that could have taken us anywhere?

One of the camps needs to have a whistle we can recover to finish this up.

[Beleqwaya]

So I did not do this quest chain by myself, I did it in a fellowship. Of this fellowship, myself and one other person are HUGE lore fans, and we read every single quest religiously. I also play with my Quest Tracker turned off so that I actually have to solve the quests - I love exploring and figuring out what quests want you to do, rather than simply following shiny rings around.

So, with that set, we entered Gravenwood - and a few minutes later there are 3 Andreg's running around.
We start with the initial quests, find the trap one right away, and due to some resource nodes, end up moving in the direction of the corrupted ooze. We happen to pick up the craban one because of it, as another node found us the orc killing one. All of these seemed very close together, but none of us picked up on the fact that it was proximity based.

We ended up completing 6/7.

Enter final quest, and RED TEXT.

I always stop and read red text, twice. No matter what. I make sure I understand it in context.
I had recieved that quest before I had finished turning my others in, so I wisely didn't continue and turned in every other quest that I had with Andreg.
I'm now down to only the final quest, and he has no more.
The text says all uncompleted quests will not be able to be finished.

I am perfectly okay because I have turned in all other quests. We check with the three of us in the group - we're all done everything and ready to move on. So we all turn it in.

THREE PEOPLE - at once. ALL who read the quests. ALL who do significant deeding, and me a completionist. TWO who read EVERY. SINGLE. BIT. OF. QUEST. DIALOGUE.
So frankly I take offense when you say read the quest. We read it - and there was no indicator we needed to go FIND more to get his quests. Other red text givers all had their quests chain-dependant, not explore-dependant.

As for being a completionist and not keeping track of my deeds - every time I enter a new area, I get swamped with deeds: Explorer, slayer, quest-completionist. None of which require my immediate dedicated focus, so I just clear my notifications every now and then. When new content comes out, I enjoy the content. Once I'm done playing with the content, I go back and try to finish every single deed. And even if I didn't, the deed mentions three people in it that you are helping, so it intuitively gives the impression that the deed stems from things from all three people.

Besides a few raid, entenmoor, and barrow-downs skirmish deeds, I have kept on top of finishing every deed that is unlockable in the game. I only have one toon, because that's how I like to play. I'm a founder and Lifetime, and my next highest toon is level 54.
So my anger is pallatable that this is the response I and my friends get when we bring up our issues.

And the GMs are no better - I put this issue in as a ticket, and all they did was close the ticket, leaving a message in the ticket to go to customer support on the Turbine website. That's really great in game support.