Tracking an Old Goat

[Adanamir]

Just wanted to say that I've just completed the deed, without absolutely no trouble. Most of the time I ran around with the Ranger, and took a glance at the map - he does show with a quest marker when you pass the right spot. Furthermore, I noticed that the follow-up quests appeared after you had done a step of a previous quest. For example, when you kill your first orc, you get a quest to disable orc traps. The only thing was that you have to do is wait for a second or two without running away.

I'm sorry, but here I am with those who believe that there is nothing wrong. It seems a lot of people are in such a hurry to complete the game that they tend to miss details. I actually like the setup for this particular deed. And by the way, you do get notice for the deed, that little sign in your right bottom corner (unless you turned off these notifications).

[TheIxian]

It seems a lot of people are in such a hurry to complete the game that they tend to miss details.

You mean a detail like a deed that lists THREE NPCs, when there's only one that bestows the requisite quests?

Turbine, count me amongst the dissatisfied. I, like many others in the thread, tried to do the quests on your terms, in good faith, and still wasn't able to complete the chain.

You made the content, I just want to play the content. Please fix it.

[fortunate]

There has been various information whether or not it is possible to complete your missing quests and the deed from another player's Andreg after completing the main quest quest yourself.

I just tried this out, and here's the report:
I completed the quest myself a few days back, hence been unable to summon Andreg and complete the remaining quests.
I asked a friend of mine, who didn't start the quest yet, to do the quest with me.
We started a fellowship, and naturally, we began our trip from Amlan who gives the initial quest.
We visited all locations that triggers the quests, and each time, before picking the quests up himself, my friend told me there was a ring. Though I was not able to pick up these quests neither before or after my friend did it, and of course he was not able to share them ("<player> is ineligible for this quest").
There was no problem whatsoever for my friend to obtain all required quests when we knew how it worked and got the locations, but that didn't help me.
I followed my friend and his summoned Andreg very closely all the time but there was never a ring above Andreg or on the mini-map.

Conclusion:
If you have already completed the main-quest and lost your whistle, you can NOT use someone else's NPC to get the remaining quests for the deed.

P.S.
I have 3/7 for "Tracking an Old Goat" and I have done several more quests in the Gravenwood than the Gravenwood quest-deed requires, so "Tracking an Old Goat"-deed is not gating "Quests in the Gravenwood"-deed.

you are right i backtracked with a kinmember aswell following her around, she got all quests. I myself got stuck in a trap three times, but yet i did not get any of the quests. Which is silly considering i spent 3 minutes rooted :P

Please make it so we can backtrack through repeatable or anything. I hate the fact i missed quests because i walk from ore to ore then do my quests.

edit:
to be honest its not the virtue that is bugging me, i sent out to do all quests on my champion so obviously i tried completing all deeds (non hidden) of ROI and i hate the fact i missed something. second and third character completions arent really satisfying me

[thunderchickn]

I just ran my second character through this series of quests. It is UNREAL how small of an area Andreg will give you a quest from, especially since I was keeping a close eye on him after getting screwed the first time. There are orcs literally from his little camp all the way to the Theodred camp but he only gives the orc kill quest in one little spot over halfway there...

It's extremely poorly designed, I'm sorry. There is little to no direction on how to complete the deed, and the fact that you can only get the quests in a VERY small area is just ridiculous. I really hope they change this and make a static version of Andreg or something so we can complete this deed. I really want to try out Honour as well, and it's just really frustrating that my main character is screwed out of this deed, TP, and virtue because of poor design.

You mean a detail like a deed that lists THREE NPCs, when there's only one that bestows the requisite quests?

This was my biggest problem with it. After seeing the red text I checked my quest log and saw no more quests. I wasn't sure if I should have more (both me and the person we were questing with checked). We looked at the deed log and saw THREE names like you did and assumed we would get the other quests from them. Why doesn't the deed say something more accurate like how you must explore the forest while watching Andreg take every step instead of mentioning Saeradan and Amlan who have nothing to do with it? Grr so frustrating!

[GoldSight]

I accepted the quest while on horseback. I read that the whistle would summon him, but I didn't want to bother him if he was busy -- I wanted to go to where he normally was. I looked around but didn't see Andreg.

This got me too, but the quest itself said "scout the path" so I figured Andreg must be at the other end, or that if I went along the path I'd be able to summon him eventually.

After getting all the way there and it still not being available (still on a horse ), I picked up one quest from another Andreg running around. I did that one then realised I could actually summon him now (I got off the horse to do the quest, still hadn't twigged at this point...). Summoned him up, did a couple of quests, all fun, get the red quest. Read it, cancel it (successfully! though I'm sure the people who say it doesn't work properly are right) and finish the other quests I have.

Open the final quest again, I've run all over killing orcs so I'm sure I'm finished, and as someone else said it's just the ones that are unfinished and I have none. So I click the button and get rid of andreg. I missed four of the quests in the end.

Most importantly, I IGNORE DEEDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPOILERS. I don't want to know what places there are in this area or how many there are, it's much more fun as a surprise. Otherwise you know you've seen all the special places as you've finished the deed.

Really disappointing Turbine, there's ways to do this kind of thing (choosing which of the two paths to take into Dunland for example) Introducing companion quests givers, hidden quests, and a quest deed AND making it un repeatable was just poor design. There are too many new and surprising things at once.

[TheCorbinator]

Wrong. If e.g. you failed "Undying", you either have to reroll or you'll never get it on that char.

I fully support the addition of deeds for those who cautiously read quest texts, like in this case. Grinding raids is rewarded, I don't see why people who actually pay attention to the work of the developers who made all those quests wouldn't be rewarded too.

Incorrect. The Undying deed does not haunt your log, never being able to be removed.
All deeds can be completed.

If the deed is NOT completed, it is removed (i.e. undying, etc...)
Even if you must wait for a festival deed, you can still complete them the following year.

As I've said, there is no defense for this deed/quest line. The concept is stupid, and the implementation was horrendous at best. I'm sure that you're feeling good because you 'cautiously read text' or used google, but the completionists out there are FEELING this one.

So, again, get off this thread. Your 'wisdom' and comments are not needed.

[Korrigan]

Are you a moderator to tell me where I'm allowed to post or not?
Nope, of course not.
My post was within the rules of the forum and therefore perfectly appropriate, definitely more than your aggressive tone...

This said, I'm sure Turbine also likes to hear that some of us had no problems with those quests and that deed.

[Chunky_baby]

Deed fail in my opinion, but, i think it is a challenging and intriguing idea.

Just bad execution.

If you could set it so that it would remove itself, that would be ok for me.

I have one other thatis stuck as well, and have noticed plenty of other buggy instances (epic chain completion if in a group etc).

I think honestly this is down to sloppy coding, more so than in other releases.

It's a shame as the writing and ideas and graphics are wonderful.

Shame not so much on the implimentation.

[Jenara]

Deed fail in my opinion, but, i think it is a challenging and intriguing idea.

Just bad execution.

If you could set it so that it would remove itself, that would be ok for me.

I have one other thatis stuck as well, and have noticed plenty of other buggy instances (epic chain completion if in a group etc).

I think honestly this is down to sloppy coding, more so than in other releases.

It's a shame as the writing and ideas and graphics are wonderful.

Shame not so much on the implimentation.

It's not sloppy coding, but I'd agree with poor implementation. This was a product rushed to market, and it shows. The issues being discussed in this thread - and many others - were all identified in beta, they just didn't get fixed. It's a trend I'm not pleased to see, considering that we're supposed to be getting better releases not worse, with all the touted increased income from FTP. I can only hope that this trend gets reversed, and soon.

[hucklebarry]

It's not sloppy coding, but I'd agree with poor implementation.

Agreed, it sounds like the devs assumed players would see the red text and understand there were more quests. I know many that saw the red text, checked their logs and thought they were done. I actually ran around for a bit checking for rings and reread the quest I had already read. I specifically completed and turned in my other quests before finishing. I just had no clue there were more I hadn't even started yet.

I think kudos are in order for the idea, but we can't be mind readers. With no vision of the future quest chains or plotlines we have no understanding if this guy will come back and offer us more later. Even Gandalf come back and helped the battle at Helm's deep. But the fellowship's quest wasn't completed yet when he took off the first time

[LadyDena]

It's not sloppy coding, but I'd agree with poor implementation. This was a product rushed to market, and it shows. The issues being discussed in this thread - and many others - were all identified in beta, they just didn't get fixed. It's a trend I'm not pleased to see, considering that we're supposed to be getting better releases not worse, with all the touted increased income from FTP.

This just goes to debunk once and for all the fallacy that having a store, getting more money from a game that is increasingly designed around it, does -not- somehow make the devs more willing to take care of known problems before sending them right to the live server, nor does it somehow translate into the game having more resources or QA testers. They clearly have the ability and willingness to hot fix, just look at the *cough* *cough* backpacks and corpses they immediately pulled out. People pointed these problems out when they did this in Annuminas. People pointed out the exact problems when they had this RoI in beta. Bet you anything we will see these types of quests in the future again. Remember how when Radiance first came out Turbine and the assorted fanboys/apologists did backflips to try to make it sound like a good idea, only to see much later Turbine tuck tail between legs and admitted it was a blunder. You cannot correct something if you don't acknowledge that it is a mistake in design or judgement.

[Jent_EU]

Agreed, it sounds like the devs assumed players would see the red text and understand there were more quests. I know many that saw the red text, checked their logs and thought they were done. I actually ran around for a bit checking for rings and reread the quest I had already read. I specifically completed and turned in my other quests before finishing. I just had no clue there were more I hadn't even started yet.

I did exactly this - read the red text carefully and saw no more quests - so I handed in.

At the moment its irritating - if I finish all quests with not enough xp left to hit 75 then that's a different matter....

[Arianias]

The deed is specifically there to list the quests needed to complete it. It was added because people in Beta were complaining about not knowing whether they found all the discoverables (which are completely optional and do not affect the division quest deed) or not. I am beginning to regret adding it.

There are only three discoverables, and the quest clearly indicates you cannot complete the discoverables after completing the main quest. This is no different than Annuminas. It also clearly indicates what route to follow (basically bee-line to the quest guide, which crosses the discoverable hotspots for all quests).

I cannot emphasize more to READ THE QUESTS. If you don't, then you miss what the game is all about and miss any guidance and instruction. That's not going to change.

I READ EVERY SINGLE WORD OF EVERY QUEST IN ROI THAT I HAVE COMPLETED!!!

Nowhere did it indicate that it failed to give me all the quests. As the deed has THREE names listed in it's description, I had no way of knowing or just guessing that I could NEVER complete it. In good faith, I did every quest he offered me and continued on my way; fully believing the other quests for the deed would show up at a different place from another of the npc mentioned in the description.

[Celestialdemons]

This said, I'm sure Turbine also likes to hear that some of us had no problems with those quests and that deed.

While Corb's tone may have seemed aggressive, the post to which he replied too could be seen as condescendig to people who do not read quest text. And being condescendant to people who are frustrated will lead to even more frustration.

With that said, Corb still has a point. It is not because some people got it right that it is not badly/poorly implemented. Turbine's best source of testing/feedback is a live environment. And when a good portion of your player base tells you something is wrong, it warrants at the very least a look at.

[Korrigan]

While Corb's tone may have seemed aggressive, the post to which he replied too could be seen as condescendig to people who do not read quest text. And being condescendant to people who are frustrated will lead to even more frustration.

Wrong. I only praised that people reading quests are somehow rewarded. If you read my original post again, I didn't belittle those who don't. Just has those who don't raid won't get raid rewards, those who don't read carefully won't get the associated rewards, nothing more, nothing less. And his "don't post here anymore we don't need you" part is definitely rude and inappropriate.

With that said, Corb still has a point. It is not because some people got it right that it is not badly/poorly implemented. Turbine's best source of testing/feedback is a live environment. And when a good portion of your player base tells you something is wrong, it warrants at the very least a look at.

If it's possible, then some people did it right, and others didn't. Just like when you wipe on a raid. Those who did it right got rewarded, the others didn't. Sounds quite fair to me. I had no problems getting all the quests by following the hints given in the initial quest and the deed.
This sounds pretty similar to me than the people who asked for the "Undying" deed to be removed because they didn't manage to achieve it. And yeah, that was asked too. "If I can't do it, nobody should" is not really a valid argument, sorry.

[hucklebarry]

This sounds pretty similar to me than the people who asked for the "Undying" deed to be removed because they didn't manage to achieve it. And yeah, that was asked too. "If I can't do it, nobody should" is not really a valid argument, sorry.

Sounds completely different to me. Undying has a clear requirement. Don't die.

The requirement here was: All unfinished quests will be lost.

I didn't have any unfinished quests. I actually did 3 of them. How many were there? The QUEST didn't say how many there were. And my log was empty. There is a clear difference between a fact based accomplishment and a theoretical one. People were left to their imaginations as to weather they should turn in since all quests were complete or weather they should keep hunting non-existing quests.

[Greenasp]

I put an in-game ticket in about this issue. I was told 'Your report indicates a known issue. This issue is being investigated by our development team'. No further information was given. But it sounds like they may do something about it at some point.

I, too, was deceived by the text that said make sure all your open quests were done or you'll lose them. They were done. Done and gone, and no indication that Andrag would actually give me more of them. I was hoping they would pop up somewhere else, from one of the other NPCs listed.

[TheIxian]

Wrong. I only praised that people reading quests are somehow rewarded. If you read my original post again, I didn't belittle those who don't. Just has those who don't raid won't get raid rewards, those who don't read carefully won't get the associated rewards, nothing more, nothing less.

The problem with your stance is that players who DID READ THE QUESTS are failing.

What is the logical conclusion to this set of circumstances?
-player, by random luck, completes 4 of Andreg's quests (so, 4/7)
-they're standing at the camp with him, about to hand in the final quest (5/7 now)
-the deed EXPLICITLY STATES Saeradan and whatsisname also need help

At this point, am I reasonably to assume - without any indication whatsoever ingame - that the last two quests are bestowed by anyone other than Saeradan and his memorably named compatriot?

Just because it works SOMETIMES doesn't mean it isn't broken.

[Celestialdemons]

Wrong. I only praised that people reading quests are somehow rewarded. If you read my original post again, I didn't belittle those who don't. Just has those who don't raid won't get raid rewards, those who don't read carefully won't get the associated rewards, nothing more, nothing less. And his "don't post here anymore we don't need you" part is definitely rude and inappropriate.

I think you should read the text as it is presented here. Notice I wrote the word could meaning that it was a possibility that some people took it as such. There's no need to get defensive here.

If it's possible, then some people did it right, and others didn't. Just like when you wipe on a raid. Those who did it right got rewarded, the others didn't. Sounds quite fair to me. I had no problems getting all the quests by following the hints given in the initial quest and the deed.
This sounds pretty similar to me than the people who asked for the "Undying" deed to be removed because they didn't manage to achieve it. And yeah, that was asked too. "If I can't do it, nobody should" is not really a valid argument, sorry.

I think you do not understand correctly the difference between the two.

One has a clear definition: Do not die.

The other is vague and has no clear in-game indications.

[Wilkens]

The core problem is, was, and has been, that the quest does not tell you that turning it in will stop you from being able to complete the deed.

Yes the quest tells you that you are going to lose anything incomplete and the flashing warning signs should go off when you see the red text so even a player who didn't read closely at first should be double checking before completing. However at no point in the text is it clear that finishing with Andreg will forfeit your ability to complete the deed. Quite the opposite in fact as the text suggests that Saeradan at the least should be giving further quests towards completing the deed.

[TheCorbinator]

Are you a moderator to tell me where I'm allowed to post or not?
Nope, of course not.
My post was within the rules of the forum and therefore perfectly appropriate, definitely more than your aggressive tone...

This said, I'm sure Turbine also likes to hear that some of us had no problems with those quests and that deed.

No, I'm not a moderator, I'm merely sick of people claiming I (we) have not read the quests, and there is 'nothing wrong with this deed'...

I'd say 17 pages and nearly 26,000 views on this forum thread PROVE that something is wrong. I'm not trying to be 'aggressive', I'm merely trying to keep the thread on track.

We are not happy, and we have been snubbed by the 'creator' of this deed.
That, in itself, is a huge freakin problem.
Commentary on your successes is unwarranted, nor do those who ARE having problems care to read it (myself included).

The design of this deed goes against Turbine's deed designs. The quest series gives ZERO indication of multiple quests outside those acquired through the beaten path.
But, arguably worst of all, is the total lack of care from Turbine themselves, and the blatant disrespect for the deed-farming/completionist community.

Frankly, I don't care if it's no big deal to you. It's a big deal to thousands of people.
Therefore (much like radiance) it is a problem.
It must be fixed.

I want it fixed

[BrianDavion]

No, I'm not a moderator, I'm merely sick of people claiming I (we) have not read the quests, and there is 'nothing wrong with this deed'...

I'd say 17 pages and nearly 26,000 views on this forum thread PROVE that something is wrong. I'm not trying to be 'aggressive', I'm merely trying to keep the thread on track.

We are not happy, and we have been snubbed by the 'creator' of this deed.
That, in itself, is a huge freakin problem.
Commentary on your successes is unwarranted, nor do those who ARE having problems care to read it (myself included).

The design of this deed goes against Turbine's deed designs. The quest series gives ZERO indication of multiple quests outside those acquired through the beaten path.
But, arguably worst of all, is the total lack of care from Turbine themselves, and the blatant disrespect for the deed-farming/completionist community.

Frankly, I don't care if it's no big deal to you. It's a big deal to thousands of people.
Therefore (much like radiance) it is a problem.
It must be fixed.

I want it fixed

I think it's worth calmly discussing this deed, because it is a somewhat new direction for turbine, however I do think demanding they fix it claiming it's broken (it's working as intended)
however to discuss it properly we need to calmly tell turbine what DID work, what DIDN'T and what we'd like to see them do with similer things in the future. (perhaps a warning in red that "Warning you are not done all quests andreg can give you" message in the future would be useful? then people wouldn't be able to say they didn't know)

[LadyDena]

however to discuss it properly we need to calmly tell turbine what DID work, what DIDN'T and what we'd like to see them do with similer things in the future.

I think a number of people already had done that -

Turbine needs to decide what is best for its own financial interest : to make quests that are unforgiving and punitive just to prove some 'point' about people reading quest text, or not to.

It is that simple.

Oh, and cutting the condescending attitude about asking people to 'read the quest' will probably help tons in public relations.

[TheCorbinator]

I think a number of people already had done that -

Turbine needs to decide what is best for its own financial interest : to make quests that are unforgiving and punitive just to prove some 'point' about people reading quest text, or not to.

It is that simple.

Oh, and cutting the condescending attitude about asking people to 'read the quest' will probably help tons in public relations.

All too true... My overall intensity stems directly from the nonchalant attitude our 'developer' has given.

[Miosha]

hello sorry I couldn't manage to read all 17 pages of the topic, just want to join the sad crowd =)
I did notice the 'end journey' quest and I made sure to complete everything he offers before turning in the last quest but that wasn't enough somehow. So now I have 4/7 and no means to finish the deed, dear devs please help