Tracking an Old Goat

[Tidgy]

Here’s my gripe : even KNOWING about this odd implementation, and knowing which exact quests I had to get and finish before completing the wrapper, I STILL had problems getting the quest with the traps offered to me to accept. Oh, I found the traps alright – managed to get stuck with a SIXTY SECOND root several times (yeah, that was fun) but no offering of the quest for the traps. I finally had to look up a walkthrough to see which pixel I had to stand on before he’d offer the traps quest, so I could finish it all off.

This ^^ ... my duo buddy got given the quest by complete fluke, he had gone to collect some birch. We had completed all given quests and were about to hand in without even realising that there was another quest that could be given. I don't read every deed that pops up because there are just so many to open when you get to a new zone and i don't read them because i don't complete them as i quest...i am not going to hunt 360 craban to complete a deed when it pops up.

So... my buddy got it and i couldn't fathom out how / where to get it, got frustrated and gave up. I handed in because i want to be able to do the same quests as my buddy and not get left behind.

Please reconsider the way these quests are given!

[Beriothien_EU]

This is one of those loose-loose situations.

The quest did actually tell you about this, it may not have specified that you would not be able to complete the quest deed in that particular area, but it very clearly in red text indicated that you would not be able to summon the npc after handing in the main quest.

However, of course people are going to be annoyed about this, first of all, Dunland is the first region where quest deeds can only be completed by completering every single quest in a sub-area, unlike every other region where there was an abundance of quests beyond the deed requirement, this is a major change in the design of quest deeds and have naturally left many people in a bitter situation where you have been "cut" off from completing things either through impatience, desire to do something else for a while or some other reason.

It is my firm belief that Turbine should adress this by simply doing one of two things:
1: Put some more repeaable quests in Dunland to make up for those quests that could be problematic for whatever reason.
2: Lower the amount of quests required for deed completion to about 70% of any given region's total quest portfolio

Either way you can probably address the core issue which are deed completions, of course there might still be some completionists out there who would like to be ale to return to those quests they now have missed, here there's only really one option if you want to solve it, enable the quests at some NPC in the open world and be done with it.

But again, people read your quest logs, it did clearly state that you would not be able to etc etc, it's not first time this issue have been around.

[limbaughus]

Today I managed to get stuck in a trap without having started the questline. To bad that hasnt happened to any char that acually have the questline yet...

[Ellis]

Question, were you in a group?

I think there is a serious bug with the traps that does not let the quest activate for some reason.

I was not in a group. On both my warden and hunter, I was solo, and I had Andreg all to myself.

Despite getting my warden stuck in the traps several times (and I tried each trap I could see.. which is hard, as they don't glow until you have the quest), Andreg never gave me Orc Traps.

On my hunter, I did not get stuck in the traps. I went to the location specified in Allakhazam, ran back and forth over it a few times, and Andreg finally gave the quest.

With Orc Mischief, despite killing every orc in my way, my warden did not get the quest. The hunter did. Which means that one, too, might be /loc based as a trigger.

I'm glad that Tracking an Old Goat is at least a stand-alone deed, and doesn't mess up the "Deeds of Dunland." I'm also not sad or a completionist or going to quit the game. I just saw the dev's answer of "read the quest" and decided to reply that even quest readers are being stuck on this thing because of the way it triggers. If I have to have pre-knowledge of locations and have to put effort into getting the NPC into the proper place to trigger the quests, that's not right.

As far as "That will never change", my forum sig below is from pre-Mirkwood times, I think. Sure, it took a year or so, but we got Never Surrender and Aggression. If there's one thing I've learned in my time on MMOs, it's "never say never."

[Greenasp]

I was seriously hoping they would fix this, by at least opening it back up or restarting the deed, with this first patch, but it's not here and there's no mention of it anywhere.

Again, I've been told, in game, to follow someone around that has Andrag. I've tried this with 3 people, and have never seen it actually do anything. I'd be interested in feedback from someone that has actually tried this themselves. As I said: 3 people; didn't work for me. I'd be really curious what we all did wrong to try to get this follow someone else to work.

[Unitsi]

I would just like to be added to this thread. I am with many of the other folks that wish to see a fix to this issue. A return option to finish ones I missed would be great as someone mentioned. I miss my whistle to call forth the ranger.

I been playing since this world first came out, I only play one character, I am a completest. To see this is my deed log unfinished - well, I truly hope Turbine does notice all the posts regarding this issue and makes an effort to satisfy us.

[GodzillaX8]

The thing that bothers me the most about things like this is that Turbine NEVER admits when they are horribly horribly wrong.

"Hundreds of people posting on the forum to express their displeasure with a very specific issue with the game? Bah! They're all worthless idiots whose opinions could not matter less! We're the almighty Turbine! How dare they question our perfect design!"

Apply this to radiance, skeletal horses, relic removal scrolls, grindiversary "celebrations", tracking the old goat, etc. etc. and it's the same stance they have always taken and will continue to take.

At Turbine, the customer is always wrong.

[Kheld_GB]

The thing that bothers me the most about things like this is that Turbine NEVER admits when they are horribly horribly wrong.

"Hundreds of people posting on the forum to express their displeasure with a very specific issue with the game? Bah! They're all worthless idiots whose opinions could not matter less! We're the almighty Turbine! How dare they question our perfect design!"

Apply this to radiance, skeletal horses, relic removal scrolls, grindiversary "celebrations", tracking the old goat, etc. etc. and it's the same stance they have always taken and will continue to take.

At Turbine, the customer is always wrong.

It would do wonders for their PR if someone came on and said "Yes its dodgy, Your right, were wrong & we will fix it".

[YouichiHophop]

Berephon, the red text should state READ THE DEED, not READ THE QUESTS. As so many others have stated, it's not clear at all that this quest arc is tied to a deed. When I finished my quest, Andreg was no longer offering me new quests. Of course I had completed his arc, so I finished the line, only I hadn't, because 2 more quests remained, un-offered. Without knowing there is a deed involved, we also have no way of knowing when the arc is finished.

Please reconsider this decision to NOT change things. Games are supposed to be fun, and permanently locking us from finishing the arc is just not fun.

Reading the deed doesn't help either, it tells you that Amlan, Andreg and Saeradan are looking for the old lady.

Andreg gave me two quests, after I finished the first one, he offered me the quest with the Red writing, so I didn't accept and finished the other quest he'd given me. Then as he had no more quests for me, and the deed said any of three people would give you the quest, I accepted the end quest, so no deed completion for me.

Any quest that requires you to look up the enitre quest line before you start is majorly bugged.

[Bradegor]

Reading the deed doesn't help either, it tells you that Amlan, Andreg and Saeradan are looking for the old lady.

Andreg gave me two quests, after I finished the first one, he offered me the quest with the Red writing, so I didn't accept and finished the other quest he'd given me. Then as he had no more quests for me, and the deed said any of three people would give you the quest, I accepted the end quest, so no deed completion for me.

Any quest that requires you to look up the enitre quest line before you start is majorly bugged.

+1. For me, the quest line should be closed as i didn´t get more quests and waited until he stopped giving me more quests.

[GlennH]

I was warned about this quest/Deed by my friend. I was able to complete it after fruitlessly searching and finally looking up the locations of the Orc and Craban quests. One thing that annoyed me was that Andreg had the completion ring on him so early that I couldn't tell if he had any new quests in the deed for me. He should only offer the quest completion ring after the 6th quest is completed.
This was a seriously annoying quest/deed and I am not looking forward to completing it on my other characters.

[swamphobbit]

I agree with most of the complaints in this game and very unprofessional response from Bere. Sorry man, I deliberately went out of my way to read all of the quests on my LM, which is my main. It is ambiguous at best.

Picked up Cruel Traps and Orc Mischief at 81.5S 12.3W

I'd like to say I knew what I was doing but it's just luck. Have the quests given all at once or allow for progression down the road OR make the instructions clearer. I love this game and I'm a lifer, but this is pretty pathetic on the part of Turbine. I swear the customers are being blamed. I almost feel like the GM that posted in this thread was calling me stupid. Just damn man, that's the way to win the loyalty of the wallet.

[Lupini]

In thinking about this, one of the major problems is the rings over Andreg's head. If you take one or two of the quests, and then complete the task, he has a gold ring over his head. But we've been warned to not turn in quests in fear of bugging the completion. So it's possible for folks to walk around with Andreg with a gold "finished" ring, and they can't see the lighter ring from him offering a quest.

One suggestion would be for the quests to auto-complete when you finish them, keeping the rings over Andreg's head restricted to him offering you a quest.

Another suggestion: although a Turbine employee believes that the text is clear enough, I for one do not believe the text for the wrapper quest is really that concise. Since it would be difficult for the wrapper quest to define the individual quests prior to our discovering them, perhaps the text could be changed to say something like "Assist Andreg in scouting X number locations and then report your discoveries to Saeradan at the..." We would have a clear idea of how many quests we should be doing without needing to notice/check a deed log.

For me, this was fun...but I also had a heads up and paid VERY close attention to what was/should happen. Had I been caught off-guard, I'm not sure I would have had as much fun.

[Juanlo]

I missed the traps quest on my main toon, I didn't know about it and the quest simply didn't pop. Now with my first alter I have carefully explored all the zone until I got trapped for 1 minute and the quest popped, so I completed the deed with him. You must be very, *very* lucky to get all the quests in this zone if you don't carefully explore every corner.

Turbine, this needs to be fixed. 28 pages and counting should send a clear message

[swamphobbit]

An update to my earlier post.

I got the goo and craban quests almost immediately. Then I got the Continue option red letter warning quest. That's when I came to the Forums to see if anybody had figured this out. At the time I was 3/7 on the deed. Based on coordinates provided in this thread (and after I found the traps quest), I got the remaining two and was able to finish the deed. I almost messed it up again though and I was making sure I was paying attention.

Very confusing.

[Grinn]

I'd like to chime in here as well. On my main, I missed out on the Hounds and then came to this thread after I realized I was hooped. Ah well, maybe one day they'll clear it up.

So, knowing about how this chain works, I undertook it with my LM.
I had all but Cruel Traps and Orc-mischief. I even got stuck in a trap for 40+ seconds as I wandered around trying to trigger the Cruel Traps quest and I did kill as many orcs in there as we wandered up and down the forest with the Sgt. Major.

Andreg's ring popped up. So I activate him. It's the end quest dialogue. Oh, beware!
I'm currently having a conversation in kinchat. As I stand there, a mob spawns beside us. Andreg and my faithful lynx attack!
Now I don't know if finishing my comment in kinchat and hitting enter is what caused the dialogue box to disappear, or if it was the combat. Anyways, Andreg took his whistle and ran off, right in the middle of a battle.

I was so mad, I just had to log off last night. Today I filed both a bug report and a ticket. The response to the ticket was so fast I was amazed. Yet, "after investigation" working as intended. Closed. Investigation after a minute or so? Bah! After seeing the title of the quest it's just an auto-reply denial.

Screw Andreg. I'm not going to go help him further in Gravenwood. What a craven ranger he is. He can go and boil his bottom in the cauldron for all I care. If he wants to take his whistle and go, well then, he can just go.
Hopefully the rest of his quests aren't tied to the book, I can't remember. But I tell you this, until Andreg comes back and says he's sorry, I'll be avoiding him like the cowardly northman he is.

Not happy with this quest's mechanics at all.

[LadyDena]

Andreg's ring popped up. So I activate him. It's the end quest dialogue. Oh, beware!
I'm currently having a conversation in kinchat. As I stand there, a mob spawns beside us. Andreg and my faithful lynx attack!
Now I don't know if finishing my comment in kinchat and hitting enter is what caused the dialogue box to disappear, or if it was the combat. Anyways, Andreg took his whistle and ran off, right in the middle of a battle.

[sarcasm on]Clearly the solution to your problem is "READ THE QUEST".[/sarcasm off]

One has to wonder, *why* they would make an otherwise simple quest giving mechanic so petty and unforgiving.

[Sk0field]

I could care less about the quest itself. The mechanism is kind of stupid but hey, technically it is just a quest.

What bothers me though is that this is quest tied to a Deed. If you mess this up, you will never be able to finish that Deed. This, AFAIK is the first type of Deed that you can "mess up" in LOTRO.

Turbine needs to find a workaround here so that everyone that finished this chain of quests too soon, can somehow finish it later on.

Do it!

[Isleiff]

Reading the deed doesn't help either, it tells you that Amlan, Andreg and Saeradan are looking for the old lady.

Andreg gave me two quests, after I finished the first one, he offered me the quest with the Red writing, so I didn't accept and finished the other quest he'd given me. Then as he had no more quests for me, and the deed said any of three people would give you the quest, I accepted the end quest, so no deed completion for me.

Any quest that requires you to look up the enitre quest line before you start is majorly bugged.

That's the real Bug with the deed. Amlan gave me 6 or 7 quests (all but 1 for the deed). When he gave me the last one with the red writing, I had finished ALL his other quests. So, according to the text of the deed, I thought that I will get the last one by Saeradan.

I guess this whole thread is a waste of time, no Dev will bother to read it.

[Goo-see-nopants]

While I generally enjoy most of the quests that turbine puts out, I feel that these series of quests from Andreg need to be addressed. Generally, I'm the type that skims through quests and just does what is required. On my main toon, my lore master, I got the guy at the camp, walked around the Gravenwood, and did what quests I had available. I completed the quests he gave me, summoned Andreg at the camp, and turned the ones in I completed. I believe, IIRC, Saeradan also had a quest completion ring above his head and while I skimmed it, I saw in red that Andreg's quests would be cancelled if I turned this quest in. At the time, I thought I completed his chain of quests as I got them throughout Gravenwood, so I turned it in. However, I didn't realize his chain of quests are related to a deed and I think I got 4/7 or 5/7 done. I didn't know this deed existed until I looked in my deed log and realized that chain was indeed an extra deed in Dunland. Also, not really related to this deed, the quest at the Tree of Tribute got bugged as I couldn't kill the spirit. However, a GM was able to fix that part a few days later after I asked. I'll give credit to +Cakefan+ for that. He did an outstanding job at unlocking that Tree of Tribute quest and fixing my other problem.

The issue I have with this deed is if it is a core deed, I feel it needs to be completed in some way, shape or form. I guess you could argue the mirkwood landing deed of killing 100 mobs before completing the intro, or possibly the instance deeds where you have to group up, for the most part, to get those sets of deeds completed, and for some, those deeds may never be completed. For me, I don't plan on completing the 24 combinations of killing Ivar's "fantastic four" in Ost Dunhoth anytime soon, or ever.

But as several folks mentioned, this is a core deed in a region, not an instance, epic, nor skirmish side deed. You should have, Berephon, omitted this deed in the first place. You can keep Andreg's group of quests the way it is, but without the deed so people won't miss completing all of Andreg's quests. I'm sure you can find another place to put that honor virtue elsewhere (granted it is easy to get to 12 in all virtues). Or if you have to have that deed exist, make Andreg available at that starting camp and/or the Rohirrim camp on the eastern side of the Gravenwood.

I didn't play beta, so I didn't know this deed existed at the time when I did this quest chain. I hope that you do a fix in the near future, and hopefully in the future, you don't associate a deed to something similar to Andreg's chain of quests. Deeds, especially core deeds, need to be completed without restrictions.

[Edogar]

needs to be fixed, too easy to miss the Q's and then not be able to complete the deed. The Q giving mechanics in LOTRo have been simple enough from the start, why change it to this for this one chain? I expect this to be resolved in the next patch it is clearly not working as intended.

[A_Spitwad]

FYI
I followed another player with their Andreg and went through helping on all seven of his quests and when they hit on the one quest I needed it did not pop up for me, so as I read somewhere in the past bazillion pages this does not work.
This quest line is an epic fail IMO. Sorry if it hurts someones ego but it was poorly constructed.

[DanteIL]

I just want to thank the people in this thread for alerting others (like myself) to the issues with this quest line. I managed to complete it (and the deed) yesterday, but only because I knew to be extra careful and to not accept the red-text completion when it was offered. It seemed to me that this 'completion quest' popped up too early -- it appeared after I had only completed 2 of the other sub-quests. No wonder this is confusing! Why can't it pop up *only* when you have all 6 of the other sub-quests completed? That way you could only complete the final quest (and thus completing the deed) when you have everything else.

That being said, the mechanic with the whistle seemed to work just fine. As I was wandering around, I left the boundaries of the quest area and Andreg disappeared, but I was able to re-summon him several times with no problems. I like the intention behind this quest mechanic, but the execution is a bit ambiguous.

[papasmirk]

Yeah, this quest line makes me mad. Got 2 quests from the Ranger but could not figure out how to get more. Ran around Gravenwood trying to find quests for a couple days with no luck. The kicker was that doing an internet search I could see other people were having the same problems with results coming from the turbine forums, but the damn forums were down for days. Frustrated I clicked continue as the last option left. Realizing that was a mistake I submitted a ticket asking what was wrong and if they could backtrack the quest. The response I got basically called me an idiot for ignoring the red text. Wonderful customer service.

[greendarner]

I was reading this thread last night while trying to do the quest line. But the forums went down in the middle. There was scheduled maintenance on a Saturday night? Really? Why no notice? </sarcasm>

I have now finished the quests and the deed. Fortunately, I had a friend alert me to the issues, but then she had to log off.

What none of you seem to have said in the first 12-13 pages of this thread is the name of the quest you SHOULD NOT TURN IN until you have the others for the deed. That quest is Eyes in the Forest. This is the one that will dismiss Andreg.

I was trying desperately to figure out if I had messed up the quest/deed line because I could not seem to find the completion for Eyes in the Forest. Part of the issue was that several people insisted I had to find a goat and kill it. All I could find was a hound, but that's where the tracker ring was. We all know we can't 100% trust that tracker rings are where they should be.

I killed that hound about ten times, and ran all around (I thought) that area, and nothing. I finally killed the hound (Drugrir? Dragrir? something like that) for the eleventh time, mainly out of frustration (and the game won't let you kill Andreg). This time I happened to run over the apparently miniscule spot where the quest end spawns (exactly where the hound was standing, I guess) and got Eyes in the Forest to complete (good ridance, Andreg!). I get that they want you to kill the hound. But I'm a hunter, and I fire from range, and I loot where the body drops. Which is at my feet, quite a way from where it originates.

I'm not sure I think the location/update should be changed, despite my frustration with the quest. But I did want to give a heads up to any hunters or others who initiate combat from range. It didn't help that several people insisted it was a goat that I had to find and kill -- confused me completely. I guess the Old Goat in the deed title refers to Gwyllion. But since we never do see her, and the phrase "old goat" is applied to old men, not old women, they've thrown in plenty of confusion.

I also noted the locations to get the Cruel Traps (82.0S, 11.9W) and Orc Mischief (81.9S, 11.9W) quests. I think others had posted them too, but there they are for anyone who has jumped to the end of this thread.