LI questions

[Anwiga]

Hi all, I had a question about the guardian belt.

I’m trying to get my main LI’s up to par but I don’t understand how some legacies can be useful at all.

For secondary slot/belt minor legacies:
Reactive block damage
Increased block parry and evade from protection
Power restore on reactions

1. I don’t use the Defender of the Free class trait ‘Reactive Block’- does this mean that the legacy for reactive block damage is useless? Or will I generate some damage from blocking even if I don’t have the trait for it?
2. Does this add a b/p/e rating to me or my target? If it adds an extra b/p/e to target, does that mean I react to their increased b/p/e’s?
3. (essentially the same as the first question) I don’t use the Fighter of the Shadow trait ‘Deflected Blows’, will increasing this legacy give me power every time I block or do I need the trait equipped for the legacy to help me at all?


Off topic question: how do I use the protection skill properly?
I usually try to put it on a mini, since they have a shield, but I don’t know if it helps. Minis don’t get attacked much, so they won’t block, parry or evade much. I’ve been told not to put it on champs (just by the champ themselves, they prefer it if I put it on the mini). I’ve tried to use burgs agility to increase my parry but it never seems to help. Captains seem like a good choice, I’ve never been reprimanded for putting protection on a cappy and it certainly feels like I’m getting more parry/block responses but they don’t have a shield (well, most of the ones I’ve run with don’t use shields).

[oaceen]

increased b/p/e works exactly as you think it does.

what i do with protection is use it on someone who's being attacked by my target. if you turn on target forwarding in the combat options and show your target's target, this makes things a lot easier. you can see if who you're attacking is aggro'd on you and, if they're not, just hit protection, and it will go to your target's target.

most champs run in fervour, which makes protection 100000% useless on them. never use it on a champ in fervour.

if you don't use reactive block or deflected/parried blows, then nothing happens if you have the legacies for them. these legacies aren't useless, but if you don't ever trait for it, then obviously it won't be useful for you.

[Tapkoh]

I tend to put untraited protection on another tank usually. If anyone pulls aggro it's likely to be them and they could use the boost. So, another guardian, a warden, or a champ running something other than fervour. I find it helps when I'm aggro swapping to put it on the person I'm swapping with.

If I were to trait selfless defense (which I don't usually), then I would put protection on anyone who pulls aggro after they do so.

The protection buff adds that b/p/e to your target, not you. The legacy increases the buff, thus it's for your target. For any transfers of parry and block events, they have to be attacked and within 10m of you. If no one is being attacked except you, nothing will transfer to you. If they are being attacked, that gives them a slightly better chance to b/p/e and thus a slightly better chance for you to receive the appropriate events.

[AwerthThawre]

Thought protection was 25m and Shield Wall 10m, and I agree best use it on another tank type.

Deflecting blows is good for power regen you can use it and never really have the need to trait CaB for power regen which gives you more time to hit skills and less time bending over for mobs..

[Iracham]

Shield wall is 5m base btw.

Protection BPE legacy is terrible and not worth having, both because of the often irrelevant nature of the buff (if you're tanking then protection is likely on someone not being hit) and because the legacy itself is of minor magnitude

Reactive Block and Reactive Power Restore legacies do nothing without one of the traits that bestows that ability. I personally prefer to trait CaB and get a little morale back along with my power and thus pretend those legacies don't exist and swiftly replace them when they are found.

[Valiant_Turtle]

I absolutely agree that Protection BPE is one of the worst legacies in the game. Perhaps in a well organized dual-tanking environment it could be useful, but that's not common. I guess it would also be a decent option for grouping in the moors.

Reactive block damage is useless without the trait and isn't terribly good with the trait until you get the legacy nearly maxed, at which point it becomes a whole lot of fun. I had a blast with this towards the end of Moria when you can have lots of heal on damage types of gear. Put that gear on and this legacy on a belt and you can round up mobs and go eat a sandwich while they kill themselves on your shield. It also turns Pledge into a deadly weapon in addition to it's usual save-your-rear skill. I just wish Shield Spikes modified this somehow. It's not a particularly powerful legacy, but it sure is fun!

Power restore on reactions is pretty useful though. It works with both Deflected Blows from blue line and Parried Blows from red line (or even both if you trait that way), so it's useful for OP stance as well. This is one of our many options for maintaining power, but I like it because it's the most automatic method. I find that about 3-4 ranks in this usually keeps my power at a comfortable level. It's not a must-have legacy, but it's very nice to have.

[Iracham]

The real problem that I have with Parried Blows, vis a vis OP power management, is that you have to be getting hit (no protection:btb doesn't work). Since ROI, the only time I get hit while in OP is solo and 3 man trash, neither of which lasts long enough to need the power restored - any other time I'm in OP I'm not getting hit or only getting hit by AOEs.

[Tapkoh]

Thought protection was 25m and Shield Wall 10m, and I agree best use it on another tank type.

That is the range of Protection, which is how far away they can be to get the b/p/e buff (or damage buff), but you only get the transferred block and/or parry reactions in the much closer range of 10m.

[oaceen]

The real problem that I have with Parried Blows, vis a vis OP power management, is that you have to be getting hit (no protection:btb doesn't work). Since ROI, the only time I get hit while in OP is solo and 3 man trash, neither of which lasts long enough to need the power restored - any other time I'm in OP I'm not getting hit or only getting hit by AOEs.

i agree. i really wish protection activated deflected / parried blows

[Solyaris]

How much is the protection bonus? Cause in raids you are usually 2 tanks, which makes protection (and the legacy to increase it) pretty decent. Nothing better then getting a protection buff from a fellow tank =)

[Evendale]

How much is the protection bonus? Cause in raids you are usually 2 tanks, which makes protection (and the legacy to increase it) pretty decent. Nothing better then getting a protection buff from a fellow tank =)

It's pretty huge. Around 900-950 b, p & e with no legacy. The legacy adds a reasonable amount (~250 b, p & e), but not enough to actually consider traiting it.

I keep meaning to test if you can switch to an LI with the legacy, apply protection, and then switch to a different LI. I'm guessing that won't work. Anyone know?

[Archriker]

It's pretty huge. Around 900-950 b, p & e with no legacy. The legacy adds a reasonable amount (~250 b, p & e), but not enough to actually consider traiting it.

I keep meaning to test if you can switch to an LI with the legacy, apply protection, and then switch to a different LI. I'm guessing that won't work. Anyone know?

don't know why it wouldn't...I did that with my hunter using the out of combat run buff (find the path). I always carry a +6% LI and use it just for that buff.

[Iracham]

don't know why it wouldn't...I did that with my hunter using the out of combat run buff (find the path). I always carry a +6% LI and use it just for that buff.

That method doesn't work on everything, for example the +% precision stance crit magnitude legacy has to be equipped to be effective.

[MorliX]

I would guess the swap in LI would cancel protection as it does shield wall, putting the skill on the very brief cd as well.

[Graalx2]

i agree. i really wish protection activated deflected / parried blows

I'll see about getting the power return added to Protection caused block/parry. No promises though because this is a complicated piece of code.

[Golledhel]

I'll see about getting the power return added to Protection caused block/parry. No promises though because this is a complicated piece of code.

Can you also see about getting those 2 traits to have a more useful effect? The power restoration doesn't scale, so as you go higher level and your power pool and power costs increase, the traits become less and less useful. The 6 or 7 power it restores is really really bad.

For Deflected Blows I would change it to something like "You recover 2% of your power whenever you block an attack."
For Parried Blows I would change it to something like "You recover 3% of your power whenever you parry an attack." Power is a bigger issue in OP and you don't really get that many parries.

Of course the Power Restore on Reactions trait set/legacy bonuses would have to change so they don't become too over the top. The trait set bonus could be either removed entirely, or changed to "+1% power restore on reactions" so that blocks will recover 3% of your power, and parries 4% of power. The legacy could be removed altogether.

[oaceen]

I'll see about getting the power return added to Protection caused block/parry. No promises though because this is a complicated piece of code.

i suspected as much.
i'll be cautiously optimistic that you guys can do this, but i'm very pleased that you are trying.

like the above poster, i think some scaling would help quite a bit (and i'm sure would be a lot easier to code).

[Nicepants42]

I keep meaning to test if you can switch to an LI with the legacy, apply protection, and then switch to a different LI. I'm guessing that won't work. Anyone know?

I tried this way back in Moria, and the legacy bonus was removed when the legacy was swapped out. I can't check it at present, but in my experience, this is the behavior of all toggle skills.

[Seedly]

I'll see about getting the power return added to Protection caused block/parry. No promises though because this is a complicated piece of code.

Thanks for looking into this Graalx. It will give Protection: By the Sword some real significance for OP guards (shouldnt matter for S&B tank guards as were the only ones who are supposed to be getting hit!). Would this mean Reactive Block would proc as well from a Protection block event? As long as the guard gets the threat that would be really nice too...still not terribly significant...but a nice bonus.

Hope it works!