What is new in the store, armors?????

[Abiyah]

The defense tier 1 looks worse than crit lv 7 (frankly I rarely look at this, it's gear you keep for a couple of hours at most, if not skipping it entirely).

This is exactly the problem with selling the armor in the store, especially as it is low level. 3 pieces of medium armor, level 28 rare quality, for 1100tp. Gone in 2 levels, let's buy the next set. It won't be long until any armor, weapon, or piece of gear is available only in the store, not in-game. 1100 for 3 pieces-- a full set, when, not if, but when it comes out will set one back probably 1800-2100tp. 20 bucks spent every few levels. You don't see a problem here?

They will be thinking about the recent content they added, while the subscribers will have been long gone.

I see this as exactly what they want. Get rid of the subscribers, get rid of subscriptions; no more 500tp/month hand-outs, if you want what's in the store (and how long until *everything* is store only?), gonna have to pay for it. Were you aware that one of the exit survey questions asks if having no subscriptions would bring interest back to the game?

[Lythia]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but seriously, even if you love M-E don't play LOTRO right now. I wish that you found the game sooner when it was a better thing... But now do not even try...
Most of us, in the forums, are the ones who quit but stayed on the forums to look for news...

Who are you to tell someone what they can and can not do in their free time?

I still play the game. I rather enjoy it. I read the forums when I am not on game.

If you let the store bother you, then yes you may get grouchy. I rarely pay attention to the store. Not even sure when the last time I opened it was.

[Ryen]

If people want to take short cuts playing this game that is there right to do so. Noone should be telling anyone else how they should be playing this game.

You missed the point of this thread. To some people this is pay to win. I am not telling people how to play the game. Turbine is telling people how to play the game with an available online store to buy items that are not attainable in game.

[Eartholloth]

The lower levels are that difficult?


Are people really going to be so foolish as to pay 1040 TP for three pieces of armor that will last how long- a few levels?

That's the thing, I really dont see many people buying this armour for that reason. I spend alot of TP in the store & can say this is one thing I wont be buying & for the reason you stated. I would rather spend the points on a mount then this. Shoot it is rare I buy mounts because of the price.

[Laspher]

It's already discussed here in the Storefeedback-Forum:
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...e-store-armors

Thanks for posting that link, that way everyone can find where the first thread about this is.

personally, i agree with like 90% of the people out there....the store armor is a) stupid b) a step in a direction no one wants to take.

on a side note, above linked thread up to 19 pages of disgust at time of this posting.

[Eartholloth]

You missed the point of this thread. To some people this is pay to win. I am not telling people how to play the game. Turbine is telling people how to play the game with an available online store to buy items that are not attainable in game.

I guess every MMO that has a store then is telling you how to play there game.

Sorry but I dont see it that way.

BTW this new armour thats coming, you DONT NEED IT to play this game & level. So to me this is no pay to win.

[Borfindel]

I do not see how and why they would think this would add to the game, a game they worked so hard and well on. And why they are now making these decisions, which are clearly not for the benifit of the game!!

Maybe its only a few sets. BUT that is a one way street. Next it will be jewelery and then end game equipment.

----Turbine scrap this idea now, before you have no Lord of the Rings Online customers left!!!


Perhaps its something simple and they have forgot what the word 'game' meens?

An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/game)

I personally do not see any enterainment coming from buying everything from the store, because thats what I see this is leading to. Having promises broke is not entertaining either! (Especially this one)

[Tatharil]

Gegen die Rüstungen auf die Barrikaden zu gehen, empfinde ich durchaus als richtig.

Es ist relativ offensichtlich, dass Turbine damit vorfühlen möchte, wie weit sie gehen können.
Würde diese Rüstung ohne Widerspruch angenommen, käme die nächste Stufe. Schritt für Schritt immer weiter bis es 75er Rüstungen sind.

Diese 20er Rüstungen selbst sind kein Grund sich aufzuregen, ABER das was sie symbolisieren.
Vorfühlen wie die Spieler auf kaufbare Rüstungen reagieren-mit (noch) recht sinnlosen Rüstungen, damit es keine unnötig große Aufregung gibt. Je nachdem, wie die Mehrheit der Spieler reagiert, wird es wohl weitergehen.

[Quig]

I guess every MMO that has a store then is telling you how to play there game.

Sorry but I dont see it that way.

BTW this new armour thats coming, you DONT NEED IT to play this game & level. So to me this is no pay to win.

Just because you dont see it that way doesnt make you any more right than another person. The point of the poster here was to say that there are various opinions and for the most part people will see this as pay to win. If you dont believe this is what you feel then good for you.

[Turukano]

Who are you to tell someone what they can and can not do in their free time?

I still play the game. I rather enjoy it. I read the forums when I am not on game.

If you let the store bother you, then yes you may get grouchy. I rarely pay attention to the store. Not even sure when the last time I opened it was.

I agree. The Store doesn't bother me when I'm playing. I'm however afraid that the Store will once affect my gameplay.
The question is no longer 'if', it's 'when'. When one will be able to buy level cap gear. When one will be able to buy XP. When one will be able to buy LIs. When one will be able to buy gold. When one will be able to buy Skirmish Marks (or whatever currency is used at that time). When people will start to leave the game because of this. When the Ettenmoors will get deserted. When servers will get merged.
Alright, a bit doomthinking. But it won't surpise me if it happened. If the Store keeps going at its current rate of adding Advantage we'll get population dropping within 5 years. (Wild Guess)

[Firemane0]

Just did a quick AH check on my server no crit items for sale below level 20 in any bracket. Non crit items are reasonably priced
Now if those Armour tiers in the store are the same as crafting levels then...

Store Tier I: +131 Armour, +3 Vitality and +3 Will
Crafting Crit level 7 medium: +131 Armour, +6 Vitality

As near as i can tell the armour is not any better then a crit of same level.

Now if they were selling sets that grew as you advanced (kinda like the wow guild and weapon sets) there might be a problem

Want to shoot Turbine in the foot over this? Star selling your sub 20 crits cheeaaap. There are some players out there that do that but not every server is like that and there are some out there who would rather vender a crit for 6 silver then sell it for 20 silver and that is a FACT

[cossieuk]

BTW this new armour thats coming, you DONT NEED IT to play this game & level. So to me this is no pay to win.

It is not about needing it to play, it is the fact that Turbine have done another 180 and are starting to offer something that they said would not be available. It is the first step towards high level gear and even raid gear being available. Even it Turbine say this wont happen people would trust them as they keep going back on their word. So well this may not be pay to win it is the first step on a very dangerous and slippery slope towards it

[Hildilas]

Many players want a new pvmp area
Many players want an update without bugs
Many players want a housing change
Many players want a leg. item revamp
etc etc

And I think the minority gave "feedback that there is a sparcity of gear on the AH at these levels"

[Abiyah]

Now if they were selling sets that grew as you advanced (kinda like the wow guild and weapon sets) there might be a problem

If they were selling sets that grew as you advanced, the problem would be no sales for Turbine. They're putting into the store items that you WILL outgrow, items that are bought either with earned tp or paid-for tp. You don't see a problem now with the paid-for part? $10 for 3 pieces of armor gone out-of-pocket for something you'll need to replace in a couple levels? You can be sure this is not the only level of armor that will show up in the store.

[DutchEZmoder]

I thought this was a joke until i read the article, i still hope it's a joke... They will sell lower level gear in the store, but i predict that in 6 months they will sell gear on the level cap, max 1 year and they sell gear that equals or is sometimes better then the best raiding gear.

Bad decision Warner Bros... But what do you care?

[Dorothir]

LotRO is a pay 2 win already. You get better characters by using the Store than someone who doesn't. That's something that can't be disputed.

So the question should become: 'Is LotRO finally falling to the power of the One Store?'

The answer to that is yes.

Not only is the Store offering clear advantage over convenience, it is now offering gear. I should note that the gear is low level and fairly poor, but this is obviously just the beginning. This is their attempt at slowly raising the temperature, so as not to alert the frogs (their customers) that they're beginning to boil.

Soon it will be LI's (or Store versions of them), Store only end game armour sets and anything else you'd care to think of as being the rewards for end game. When that day comes, I don't even think the usual suspect in this thread will be able to defend Turbine (well he'll try, though it will sound immensely pitiful, more so than it sounds now from him). I'm surprised they haven't started offering a 'Raid Lock Removal' scroll (yet).

But it's nice to see we can add this to the list of Turbine's lies:

- Store will offer convenience not advantage.
- VIPs will have full access to all content and features, excluding expansions.
- No details were exposed during the recent breach.
- RoI has 3 regions.
- There will be no armour or weapons sold in the Store.

Good job, Turbine.

[Crazydwarf]

While they are at it, why not add more slots to unlock and fill with store stuff.
More rings, separating shoulders/boots/gloves into left and right slots, add left/right sock slot...Pile it on Turbine, I dare you !

[Firemane0]

If they were selling sets that grew as you advanced, the problem would be no sales for Turbine. They're putting into the store items that you WILL outgrow, items that are bought either with earned tp or paid-for tp. You don't see a problem now with the paid-for part? $10 for 3 pieces of armor gone out-of-pocket for something you'll need to replace in a couple levels? You can be sure this is not the only level of armor that will show up in the store.

Not really, as long as what they sell isn't any better then what I can craft or find i have no issues. I have more of an issue with crafters raking players over the coals for low level crit gear then i do with Turbine charging me $5 for a piece of armor i would have to be an idiot to buy in the first place.

[ShireDweller]

They mentioned one reason for making this gear available for sale as "people are saying there isn't armor at this level for sale on the AH".

FTP'ers can't sell on the AH, so if they have been crafting lower level armor, they aren't able to put it up on the AH for other lower level players to buy.

Newer players who don't use the Trade channel or have alts or a kin to make gear for them (or who just want it for stats) and who want to buy this would most likely need to buy some Turbine Points to do so. I think Turbine is looking for new ways to get FTP'ers to spend money on points, to convert them to Premium. The level range of the armor for sale is 20s - 30, around when the free areas run out, I think, so that's what I think their reasoning was to add this to the store.

[Tormaugue]

Having played MMOrpg's for many years the place where pay to win is a problem is in PvP areas. Since it developes a huge advantage for the payer over the player. In LOTRO even if you could buy end game armour and such it is more for bragging rights and ease of running final raids more than a definite advantage. Until the game turns into PvP as its main theme I don't think there is that much advantage being sold. Now in my opinion I enjoy making/earning everything I have in game and always will. I hope that Lotro never makes me feel I have to buy something to have bragging rights or an occasional "ooh cool". If they do than I will be looking elsewhere for a brave new world.

[Dhrormr]

That's the intention. As others have mentioned, it's not top tier gear, there is better available through game play.

No gear is permanent. Characters 'out grow' their gear.

It's lower level gear. Many players have given us feedback that there is a sparcity of gear on the AH at these levels and they wanted an alternative. We're trying to accomodate that.
So, I applaud your decision to kick start the gear market on your server. Options are what it's all about.

I agree there is a lack of low-level gear on the market.
I myself started selling some I did to practice my craft and I was surprised to see it finally sells.

BUT the fact is most people won't take the time to craft low-level given the low price it achieves and the price of materials, in money or in time to gather it.
Also since you have to pay and get back your unsold items every 2 days, it's a pain so many will give up.

Maybe could increase the time an item could stay on sell and/or get a way (board or the like) for people to "ask for a craft" and crafters respond ?

One must also agree that craft was nerfed with the recent updates and this move is not in the right direction, I think it would have been better to help crafters establish their trade and help buyers contact them.
Fostering the establishement of player-run shops for example.
A player-run economy is always fun and better to get an adequation with the market. I creates a whole lot of buzz and breathes life in the player community.
Just imagine if we could rent a place on the market at Thorin's hall to sell our gears

Hhave a look at what EVE Online achieve on the economical and trade area and you get the idea. Nearly all can be made by player-run corps and the whole in-game economy is the result of this.

[megaboy]

for me, this is the straw that has broken the camels back.
i can no longer take anything said by turbine as fact as the facts will change as it suits their whimsy.

i can no longer in good conscience suggest this game to folk.

i may still come back now and again for a festival (maybe) or to continue the epics.
but for all else i am pretty much done with this game now.

there are a couple mmos coming out this year that i have my eye on (no not gw2, blech) and i guess i will now be spending more time with some friends on Kellar's Void in TOR.

been a part of this community for 5 years now, longer then any other game i have ever played.
its hard to say good-bye to the friends left in lotro.

but i will still lurk on these forums on the off-chance someone slaps turbine and wakes them from this delusion they are in and things get better.

cya

[Abiyah]

The lower levels are that difficult?


Are people really going to be so foolish as to pay 1040 TP for three pieces of armor that will last how long- a few levels?

Though the OP puts forth some well-thought out reasoning, this is the question here, isn't it? As others have suggested in other threads, maybe if the store-gear had the capability of growing in level with you, sort of like an LI, I guess.

But it doesn't look that way. Pay the 1040, or spend $10 to get the 1040, and it's gone in a few levels. If there were no plans to offer more sets for the later levels (actually, I see them planning on sets for every level, same as crafting is now), then offering a set for the mid-20s serves no purpose.

The game is so easy now you can run the lower levels in nothing but quest-reward gear. But that's counter to the mind-set that is instilled in players. It's a mind-set that says "I need better gear because..." (add your own reasoning, whether it's because there's better gear available, or because so and so has it, or because this website I read says it's the best to have, whatever).

I really think it's that mind-set the marketing team for Turbine is counting on. What we see today is nowhere near the end of the road LotRO is on. OP, personal alarm bells ring for a reason, and yours isn't the only one ringing.

[Anyelir]

Im englischsprachigen Teil des Forums gibt es einen Thread zum Thema "Rüstungen im Store":

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...e-store-armors

Ich denke, das kann nicht schaden, wenn jeder, der ne Meinung zu dem Thema hat, sie da auch kundtut. Momentan steht der Thread bei 19 Seiten Posts (seit gestern Abend, wohlgemerkt).

Ansonsten sehe ich momentan mehrere Punkte, die mir bei Turbines aktuellem Store-Vorgehen nicht gefallen:

- dass überhaupt Rüstteile angeboten werden, die es ingame nicht zu kaufen gibt.
- dass es momentan keine genauen Angaben gibt, in welchem Levelbereich diese Rüstteile zu gebrauchen sind, d.h. der Vergleich mit per Handwerk hergestellten oder sonstig ingame erhältlichen Teilen ist momentan schwierig (sprich: man kann auch nciht wirklich einschätzen, mit welchem Ausmaß an Veränderung wir es hier zu tun haben).
- dass von Sapience als Grund für die Store-Einführung von Rüstteilen angegeben wurde, es gäbe massenhaft Beschwerden von niedrigstufigen Spielern, dass im AH nicht genügend geeignete Rüstteile für sie angeboten würden. Selbst wenn diese Behauptung wahr ist, hätte man den zusätzlichen Bedarf an Rüstteilen auch ingame decken können, z.B. über neue Händler-NPCs oder ein verändertes Angebot im Scharmützellager.
- dass wir von den Rüstteilen unabhängig in letzter Zeit mehrere andere neue Entwicklungen im Store gesehen haben, die zwar auch alle an sich einigermaßen harmlos sind, zusammengenommen aber auf einen besorgniseregenden Trend hinweisen, z.B. die Einführung dieser Schatzkisten und der dazugehörigen Schlüssel oder dass die Stufe7-Attributsschriften nur im Store und nur zeitlich begrenzt erhältlich sind.

Insgesamt gesehen klingt das für mich so, als wenn da jemand seine Fühler ausstreckt, um mal anzutesten, wieviele TPs man den Spielern für diese Art von Store-Angeboten wohl entlocken kann.

[Abiyah]

Not really, as long as what they sell isn't any better then what I can craft or find i have no issues. I have more of an issue with crafters raking players over the coals for low level crit gear then i do with Turbine charging me $5 for a piece of armor i would have to be an idiot to buy in the first place.

So you'd rather pay real cash than in-game currency? Which is easier for you to generate? (Yes, I read the "idiot to buy" part, but the question still stands in light of the rest of the post.)