Loremasters are god mode.

[WulfgarsFather]

Discuss.

[johnnyskywalker]

They are doing well, shield wardens, glory champs and healing rk's seem to be more god like imo lol

[spelunker]

They are doing well, shield wardens, glory champs and healing rk's seem to be more god like imo lol

Well its all in perspective and your criteria seems to be survival rather than survivability with the potential to get kills.

LMs don't have the survivability of shield wardens or glory champs, and can't really even match good examples of each in consistent dps (after they fire a cooldown barrage), but they're generally immune to the 2 weaknesses of wardens and champs: good spiders and store-fly defilers (I assume glory champs have problems with spiders, don't get to see many I'd consider good).

In a 1v1 scenario i'm not sure a good LM can be beat by any class, and at worst is going to fight to a draw with a Defiler, whereas a glory champ or warden is going to have an uphill battle vs either a good spider or defiler using flies.

[johnnyskywalker]

A good spider is hard in glory, dont get fervor from the acid damage

[Isilmacil]

Loremasters are god mode?



Though in all seriousness, a good Lm is deadly against any class I think. Though definitly I could see good LMs having the advantage against BA's, wargs (to a degree of the player), and WL's (again to a degree). Against a good spider/reaver/defiler it would be tougher.

However, Lm's are not god mode.

[Kerin_Eldar]

Discuss.

To creeps who don't know how to play, probably.

[myforumacc2]

I could see bad LMs having the advantage against BA's

OP rolled a BA and got Wind-Lored by Milt



and then died


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Discuss?

[Idiotvillage]

Water lore has addressed one of the biggest weakness of the class, self healing. With diminishing returns, audacity and cc removal pots, water lore balances out some of reduced effectiveness of their crowd control. Lore masters are now better balanced than they were previously. I only creep btw.

[spelunker]

Like I said earlier, its all down to perspective. I'd argue that if the 1v1 circle is your proving grounds, LMs are probably the best positioned class on either side. Talking about skilled players only I don't think an LM can be beat and i'm not sure even a defiler could muster a draw.

Out in open pvp an LM will get ripped apart if 3 reavers find one alone, which brings us back to the old standard of wardens and champs having a chance to get some kills in that scenario (sorry minis).

Personally: if LMs are the new god-mode and CC isn't an I-Win button like it was so long ago, its probably a good sign for balance out there.

On a slightly related note, who could have predicted a year ago BAs (the only competitive creep class at RoI release) and burgs (who were in all their ganking glory) would be near the bottom of their respective sides in the Moors hierarchy. My opinions of course.

[johnnyskywalker]

Even in RoI a half decent LM shouldnt of had any problem killing a BA.

[22Acacia]

Cough...reavers...cough. Pretty tough fight still if they cure slows (at any rank). That said, LM is in the best position in years now. If someone beats me on most classes I'm happy to know they are likely a better player (which is how it should be).

[vhamster]

man, doesn't take much skill to click WoTC and back to full morale. Wargs come close to beating lms in Flayer, I'll try again on mine when I get full audacity.

[Oket]

We all know my burg is a god! The god of fail!

[Gladgilrian]

Since I don't play any longer, what has been the effect of the various interrupt skill changes? And remember when turbine use to say that PvP would never have an impact on changes to PvE skills? Yet another lie turbine has told, you know, like convenience, not advantage. new PvP zone with RoI etc.

[22Acacia]

man, doesn't take much skill to click WoTC and back to full morale. Wargs come close to beating lms in Flayer, I'll try again on mine when I get full audacity.

Doesn't take much skill to mash buttons that crit for 3k every time either. ./shrug

And lol at a mini bemoaning a loremaster's self heals.

[vhamster]

Doesn't take much skill to mash buttons that crit for 3k every time either. ./shrug

And lol at a mini bemoaning a loremaster's self heals.

I'm really not sure where you see me "bemoaning" Lm self-heals. I just pointed the obvious fact that LMs are able to do so without any fuss. My comment was regarded mainly to 1v1s, as often times WoTC becomes Iwin button. From what I've seen in this book, LMs are almost if not quite on par with their 2008 predecessor. The minor influx of LMs isn't as game-breaking as the flood of minstrels prior to this expansion, I'll acknowledge that.

[22Acacia]

From what I've seen in this book, LMs are almost if not quite on par with their 2008 predecessor.

This is just silly.

[RunKeep3r]

I'm really not sure where you see me "bemoaning" Lm self-heals. I just pointed the obvious fact that LMs are able to do so without any fuss. My comment was regarded mainly to 1v1s, as often times WoTC becomes Iwin button. From what I've seen in this book, LMs are almost if not quite on par with their 2008 predecessor. The minor influx of LMs isn't as game-breaking as the flood of minstrels prior to this expansion, I'll acknowledge that.

Can you explain the MAJOR burglar punishment?What about the pampering of creeps? there are tons of creeps and not that many burgs that stay in the moors so why do the few that do get punished? i mean come on take away our cooldowns like hips and evade... We also have nothing to save ourselves from spiders soz why did we get nerfed but not the few succesful lms

[Bonescraper79]

Can you explain the MAJOR burglar punishment?What about the pampering of creeps? there are tons of creeps and not that many burgs that stay in the moors so why do the few that do get punished? i mean come on take away our cooldowns like hips and evade... We also have nothing to save ourselves from spiders soz why did we get nerfed but not the few succesful lms

First off, what pampering of creeps? Specifics if you please.
(Frankly we had demanded a manicurist, ever look closely at the defilers? *shudder* sadly they sent a silly elf who took a wrong turn at what once was EC and apparently perished from misadventure) So we really haven't gotten our yearly allotment of pampering! **Pouts**

It is however, nice to see LM's after all this time get a bit of love, to be a touch more balanced than they ever have been, granted I have not leveled mine up to 85 yet, they did need the self heal although I am unsure on a personal note as to the graphical action of it (too reminiscent of the Christ the Redeemer in RIO, IMO) but that's just what I see. HEHE

Christmas was lovely, Sauronclaus brought some nice Curry Hobbit toes (these were from BAD hobbits that hated gardening I was told) however I was once again disappointed in that no aspect of the yule festival came to creepside.

I think the vote for Santa hats went quite well this year, and would have looked really cute!

Kittens are nice
(sometimes with mustard)

<3

[WulfgarsFather]

I see the PvP is hotter then ever on the forums. That is what I like to come back and see!! My personal opinion on farming is I won't do it. It is my own self pride that will not let me. Now I am not saying those who do are some horrible people and what not.

My thing is this. Many people in this game and others hae gone to raids and maybe something was not working as intended. The enemy can be bugged out and not attack so you get a free kill. You can stand in a certain spot in the raid and never be hit. IMO this is the exact same thing as farming. You are taking a easier way to accomplish your goal.

With that said I look at PvP in a higher regard PERSONALY!! Key word is personaly. PvP rank does nothing for me. It never has. The only thing I can get out of the Moors is I bested you or you bested me. So I enjoy grinding my way out for the KB titles or other things in the Moors. For me farming waters it down.

But as long as you pay your account (VIP members) and not me I can care less what you do. Because you may kill me while I am taking my lumps on my grind. It happened to snooch although I had some nice help from BloodBain and some others.

Stuns honestly never really had to take his lumps. When I first rolled to the Moors 5+ years ago there was no DR. I would roll solo and come up on 3 creeps and was able to keep 2 stun locked the entire time and pick them off one by one. Not to mention If I was rolling with Oisal and Andalusia in a small group. We could lock down 7+ creeps and that is no exxageration.
But point is as Stuns I never had a green ring and I never had to take the lumps of getting him "ready". I feasted off of those green and blue rings etc. In turn they ranked up and then the feast was not as easy and it was a battle now.

So I guess it is time Stuns took his lumps while I get ready. But believe me get your thumping in now. Because when he is ready it will be just as good as ever. And those who farmed that is fine. I will get there and I will be better for it.

I know it has been a while. But I personaly do not believe in sitting there and talking about how OP one side is. I play my freep mostly because most people are drawn to the dark side in games. I like the feeling of odds against me. I like the feeling even more when we beat them.

I am coming!

Look out creeps, the boys are back in town!

[BloodLoaf]

I know this is Nim and not Ark... but back on my server, multiple LM's have put up a good fight... But I have still beat them all in 1v1's and thats including having zero cool downs. For what it's worth... which is likely nothing as it's not your server

[87_Suited]

I know this is Nim and not Ark... but back on my server, multiple LM's have put up a good fight... But I have still beat them all in 1v1's and thats including having zero cool downs. For what it's worth... which is likely nothing as it's not your server

Hello my friend you have come to troll at the correct spot.
One of my creep tribemates with 2 rank 12+ creeps that also plays freeps on Ark informed me all about the freep talent pool on Ark. For example, the talent pool on Nim is low do to lack of sheer numbers so only a few good players really stand out. On Ark though, you could prolly take a below avg minstrel from this server and he/she would be begged for on Ark.

I don't even have a LM but one thing for sure is that it would take me about 5 min to figure out how to beat a rank 11 BA. Would go somthing like this:
Keep stun dot on my self to avoid cc headshot and traited gash
sign of power command for attack duration
windlore for ranged dmg debuff
that one skill with potable red that debuffs induction time
gust of wind (don't know if this is still viable with changes to miss chance)
Alternate cc skills like blinding flash and light of rising dawn and test of will with damaging skills coordinated with good short circular razr naga like movement around you to force you out of KE and into SS.
I wouldn't use tar although on Ark I imagine your special LMs use tar to "kite" BA's. Dunno if I would need 1 or 2 uses of waterlore.
Make trees go stomp, drop that sticky icky, and pour some of that powder on you and let the difference of electrical potential (voltage) between you (ground) and the charged ionized atmosphere above, do its thing (lightning storm?).
Your defeated.

I 1v1'ed a rank 13 Black Arrow last night that popped moving target and Uruk heal against my captain, and he still got owned. I attribute this to his extremely poor skill level as relavent to his loss and not because I am good on my captain. Perhaps you can look at things from the perspective that the LM's you have 1v1ed are either poorly geared, unskilled KB turners, or both.

G'day sir.

P.S. Just because I'm really actually a nice guy, here is some great music to listen to while we are fighting.

[WulfgarsFather]

At slick: nice troll, except that guy is a WL lmao.

man, doesn't take much skill to click WoTC and back to full morale. Wargs come close to beating lms in Flayer, I'll try again on mine when I get full audacity.

Are you there yet? Cause my LM is still at 6 aud.

[Gladgilrian]

OMG Ace!!!! what a fail!!!!!!

[87_Suited]

OMG Ace!!!! what a fail!!!!!!

Roger sir. Excellent points Spidey and Xal + rep

However, it would be even worse that a LM can't beat a WL.
Stun dot + uninterruptable power drain + fire lore = auto win.

Great song Spidey, Xal I want a song post too.