Petition threads???

[TOOBxSOCKS]

are these actually something valid that have worked in getting players what they want in the past???
or is it just people with pipe dreams forming a petition for nothing??

cuz every time i see one of these its a facepalm moment for me....
thinking to myself about how much of a democratic process turbines decision making entails..

pffft....

[JuaQuins]

I did a petition for RoI beta in the Bullroarers forum and in the next build, they went ahead and put it in.

My petition was about creating 3 separate maps for Dunland, Gap of Rohan and Nan Curunir. At first, they had one very detailed map for the area but I thought that it would create an uproar since they billed RoI with three separate regions. Now, I don't know if it was planned all along that they were going to have 3 separate maps, but I like to think it had something to do with my petition.

[TOOBxSOCKS]

^^^so your enot sure if it was just coincidence or not then???



does anyone have any actual proof of petition being worth the effort?

[Erebthoron]

I'm not sure that petitions work. A player started one last year about forcing a class dev to stop his work because he personal don't like the change. If I remember right Sapience said that they will never listen to them anymore.
A better way is writing it in the suggestions forum. There is a good number of that ideas made it to the game. That dosen't count for the once per week started threats about open world pvp, flying horses, hobbits should be rk/lm/cappy etc. The search function is your friend
Another way is take part in the beta. The dev's listen quite close to the threats there and you find sometimes a feedback of them or they discuss with the players.

[Moln]

/unsigned

[Idiotvillage]

Pipe dream. The sample size of a forum petition is far too small to base decisions on. On occasion threads are posted by staffers asking for feedback. Feedback from these threads is often responded to though changes are not necessarily made in accordance with the feedback. Store items are often controversial, replacing a free in game service with one that must be purchased inevitably elicits withering feedback.

[JuaQuins]

Well, a while back when forced emotes were introduced in a festival, a lot of petitions sprang up regarding having some sort of toggle for them.

Fast forward and here we are with some sort of toggle.

I thin in the end, it's discourse and discussion that actually work. If petitions do anything, it's that they raise an issue and they people to talk about them.

[Neumi]

I did a petition for RoI beta in the Bullroarers forum and in the next build, they went ahead and put it in.

My petition was about creating 3 separate maps for Dunland, Gap of Rohan and Nan Curunir. At first, they had one very detailed map for the area but I thought that it would create an uproar since they billed RoI with three separate regions. Now, I don't know if it was planned all along that they were going to have 3 separate maps, but I like to think it had something to do with my petition.

Usually a "suggestion" is just as good as a "petition".

[Neumi]

I did a petition for RoI beta in the Bullroarers forum and in the next build, they went ahead and put it in.

My petition was about creating 3 separate maps for Dunland, Gap of Rohan and Nan Curunir. At first, they had one very detailed map for the area but I thought that it would create an uproar since they billed RoI with three separate regions. Now, I don't know if it was planned all along that they were going to have 3 separate maps, but I like to think it had something to do with my petition.

Usually a suggestion is just as good as a petition.

[Cindir]

They are not supposed to "work". They are just a form of communication.

Why complain about them. Think about real life, and if you started complaining about people making petitions. It is their right, it says something, it is a valid form of communication.

Who said a petition has the purpose of Turbine DOing something? Maybe it is just to TELL Turbine something. And it does that fine. People post in the thread to say "yeah I agree with that". And those who post "unsigned" are saying something too.

All that mumbo jumbo about how they don't "work" or how they don't represent the community scientifically is just mumbo jumbo by people who either don't agree with the issue, or don't really care about it. I don't mean that the OP does not make a valid point or question. I mean the people who go off explaining how petitions are not statistically significant - as if they were supposed to be in the first place.

[Uvirith]

Hey buddy, I think you dropped some ??????????????????, do you need me to pick them up? You clearly need more of them to make your statement.

[lf2536]

Sapience said in a relatively recent post that petition threads are generally ignored, at least in the regular forums (in beta they might have a bigger effect), because people typically just write /signed or /unsigned and don't include reasoning of why they want something or what they think it would add to the game. Turbine may take its time getting around to doing something, but a well thought out discussion on the merrits of a request/suggestion will get far more attention from them as they can actually learn something from it about the feature that is request, they don't get that from a petition.

[TOOBxSOCKS]

They are not supposed to "work". They are just a form of communication.

Why complain about them. Think about real life, and if you started complaining about people making petitions. It is their right, it says something, it is a valid form of communication.

Who said a petition has the purpose of Turbine DOing something? Maybe it is just to TELL Turbine something. And it does that fine. People post in the thread to say "yeah I agree with that". And those who post "unsigned" are saying something too.

All that mumbo jumbo about how they don't "work" or how they don't represent the community scientifically is just mumbo jumbo by people who either don't agree with the issue, or don't really care about it. I don't mean that the OP does not make a valid point or question. I mean the people who go off explaining how petitions are not statistically significant - as if they were supposed to be in the first place.

i know that the whole 'holier than thou' cosmetic set is a popular one here...
but you dont get any more respect or consideration from me than anyone else will....

these forums would be a lot more welcoming, and useful if less people tried to create a reason for themselves to talk down on other people....

my original post here was in plain english, and there is nothing even remotely close to a complaint there...
it was just plain ol' curiosity...

if u dont like my curiosity about it...then dont bother responding?


youre complaining about someone complaining when they never complained in the first place...

[maxjenius]

are these actually something valid that have worked in getting players what they want in the past? is it just people with pipe dreams forming a petition for nothing?

Sapience posted sometime back that petitions are less than an ideal way to put forth suggestions. Yet people still continue to post them.

[Nymphonic]

I honestly think that petitions do not work. I think the devs look at the suggestions forums and how often a topic comes up.

[JuaQuins]

1 Petition may not work but 4 to 5 petitions asking for the same things might.

Again, I argue that Forced Emote issue was put to light by all the disgruntled customers posting petitions and then discussing them.

1 Petition can be ignored but it's hard to ignore a number of petitions asking for the same thing.

1 can look at the petitions to have a toggle for the Forced Emote as successful. They created a buzz that then turned into a suggestion and eventually worked its way to the powers that be.

At least that's my opinion.

[Omen_Kaizer]

I figure sometimes it brings things to the attention of the devs. Or brings it from the backs of their minds to the front for a moment.

I like to think that this thread--really by the bug reports spawned from it--was a successful thread.

[RJFerret]

A petition is just a suggestion in disguise, posted in the wrong place.

That doesn't mean it won't get acted on, good ideas are good ideas even if they are misplaced and make it harder for the company to discover them.

Worse, the petition format discourages engaging dialog. They also often spawn two threads, one, "petition for my pet idea" and another "petition against pet idea".

I generally ignore any thread that's an apparent petition.

That being said, on of the fasted features I ever saw added to the game was a reply to a general forum post that a community mod spotted. It was fully implemented in DAYS.

[maxjenius]

In the post I linked to, Sapience didn't write that petitions are always ignored or never do any good, he said "'Petition' is another word that usually gets things going in the wrong direction." But I have a hunch that even if a Turbine rep posted "Petitions are 100%, flat-out ignored," people would still post them and say they have, do and would accomplish something.

[Vexendynamus]

I have followed the forums for a bit over two years now. Up until about six months ago, petition threads were rare beasts. When Turbine introduced the Riders of Rohan preorder at $40/$50/$70 US, there was a large outcry on the forums, including one fairly lengthy petition thread. Eventually, Turbine added Turbine Points to the various packages, thus increasing their value. That led to various individulas lauding how well petition threads work, and we have seen many more since.

One person above noted that the Forced Emote petition thread worked. That is misleading. From the moment the Forced Emote deeds were introduced, lengthy threads began appearing pitting those who hate them against those who like them. After more than a year, and after the Rider of Rohan value petition, a remove forced emote petition thread appeared. It was very late in the process and only hammered home what anyone paying attention already knew--many people hate forced emotes.

[Sapience]

Usually a "suggestion" is just as good as a "petition".

Actually a suggestion (and thus why we have suggestion forums and not petition forums) is more likely to be taken seriously. Especially if it's well considered and well written. Adding the word Petition in your thread title almost invariably has the opposite effect of what you may be hoping for.