So...It's Been 6 Years...

[MedullaAbShlonggata]

I got bashed and accused of whining for no reason on my server for posting this when I just wanted a general consensus, but anyway...

And there is still only one pvp map... After they promised us a new one in RoI, which was 1.5-2 years ago and still haven't. All they did after 6 years was "change the scenery" to the moors make it seem "new"... 5 years since a new creep class has been introduced aka the defiler... took away Hotspots and put in outposts, which are stupid and destroyed the fun pvp action that hotspots provided, etc. Anyway, these are just a few examples of how nothing has really been done nor cared about for the few dedicated pvpers left, not to mention all the other countless flaws mechanically with it. Also, there has been a lot more squandered potential on what coulda been done with the pvp, and what they've done with this "pvp" is essentially destroy it... I noticed they made a couple changes in the right direction, but the other things they have in the game just conflict with those and then serve no real purpose; they just go 1 step forward, then 2 steps back is the trend that has been going on for this long.

So... my question to you all is... Why do you continue to play this underachieving game pvp-wise? For the community? Nothing better to do? False hope that it will get better one day? For actual "fun"?

I hope the last one isn't the reason you are here, because this "pvp" is nothing like the old pvp, but I guess it's what you make it, but there is much better things to do than play this game's pvp. I digress though, but I'm curious as to why, because it seems like a waste of time, and one of the main reasons I refuse to come back anytime soon till they get their act together, but they prob never will... Shame, really.

[Cillion]

Honestly? A new map or a new class would not fix pvp imo.. All that does is be "new and exiting possible money grab" for a while,but not fix any of the base problems with lotro`s pvp system..So while i wouldnt mind those things,i dont see it as saving move for pvmp.

I sometimes dont know why i still play lotro,tho i play less and alot less time spent in the Moors in general nowdays..
After all the game has other things to pass time,there is the community and people you play with,there is the relaxing fun in pve land with your friends and comrades,and the thought of throwing away all the time spent here keeps me playing and not uninstalling just yet..I have never been one of those to believe that pvmp will ever be a focus of Lotro,even tho i spent most of my time there in one form or another..

[MedullaAbShlonggata]

Honestly? A new map or a new class would not fix pvp imo.. All that does is be "new and exiting possible money grab" for a while,but not fix any of the base problems with lotro`s pvp system..So while i wouldnt mind those things,i dont see it as saving move for pvmp.

I sometimes dont know why i still play lotro,tho i play less and alot less time spent in the Moors in general nowdays..
After all the game has other things to pass time,there is the community and people you play with,there is the relaxing fun in pve land with your friends and comrades,and the thought of throwing away all the time spent here keeps me playing and not uninstalling just yet..I have never been one of those to believe that pvmp will ever be a focus of Lotro,even tho i spent most of my time there in one form or another..

Thanks for the answer. Yeah, I know, I'm just pointing out what lack of effort has been shown over the years. A new class/map does provide a boost to the morale of the metaphoric pvp army's resolve tho. Havent they been using existing possible money grabs with pay2win tho? The post isn't neccesarily about saving pvp (which will be very hard to save at this point), it's just as I said the lack of commitment towards it.

[Yelloweyedemon]

I don't think you'll find many veteran PvP'ers still playing Lotro. Playing once in a blue moon like me, maybe, but with so many terribly bad changes, and lack of interest by Turbine, i would say a good 70-80% of the veteran PvP'ers lost interest in this game's pvp, at least to continue playing it as their 'main pvp' game.

To be honest, there are no MMO's offering good open world pvp at the moment. I hope ESO will change that, but considering what is 'most wanted in the market' at the moment, I don't expect something awesome. Most MMO's are terribly easy at the moment, and sadly it is what most players want. Easymode classes, zergfest pvp'ing, and 'end game' content that can be finished within 1 week of the game's launch.

[MedullaAbShlonggata]

Most MMO's are terribly easy at the moment, and sadly it is what most players want. Easymode classes, zergfest pvp'ing

Spot on. True pvpers want a challenge, while the sad majority wants what you just stated. It's a sad state of things to be sure, but Turbine's inability to care enough to do anything just provides further detriment to the problem.

[bongart]

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[Lendas]

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read the sign: for fan boi's only.


anyone who has ever uttered a sliver of a peep of something close to a criticism or negative comment on Turbine will be automatically denied.

Turbine should just come out straight and announce Yula the Mighty as perma-overlord of the fan-boi council.

[Cillion]

I don't think you'll find many veteran PvP'ers still playing Lotro. Playing once in a blue moon like me, maybe, but with so many terribly bad changes, and lack of interest by Turbine, i would say a good 70-80% of the veteran PvP'ers lost interest in this game's pvp, at least to continue playing it as their 'main pvp' game.

Most MMO's are terribly easy at the moment, and sadly it is what most players want. Easymode classes, zergfest pvp'ing, and 'end game' content that can be finished within 1 week of the game's launch.

true..
But i cant blame players for wanting this,after all most MMO`s are games to spend your free time with and have some fun,not competitive e-sport games.. ^^

[MedullaAbShlonggata]

Appreciate the answers all. Keep em coming.

[Isindar]

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implying it has any larger amount of swing power than large fanbases who've asked for less yet received next to nothing
I vote more trees, simple way to improve melee combat.

[Shraguz]

There is only 1 real way of making LOTRO PvMP fun and balanced - to make freeps entering Ettenmoors the same way as creeps - predesigned for every class and only customisable through new(Ettens only) Virtues, Race, Class and appearance traits and gaining new skills(Ettens only) and those traits by ranking.

6 years have proven, that trying to combine PvE and PvP for freeps is just not working, as with every update the devs need to fix and rebalance the Moors again and it gets even worse with a new expansion. Because of this today we have the worst PvP in the MMO genre, that can be used by all, as an example of how not to do things if you want to make a good PvP.

This is the best solution:
1)it's the cheapest and easiest way for the devs to make real PvP zone in LOTRO and keep it that way, no matter the new PvE content and to make changes in the Ettens whenever thay want and not to be concerned about the PvE game at all.
2)once the balance is achieved, there is no need to fix it every few months with a new update
3)the balance can be achieved much more easily, as right now freeps have so much different choices for customisation - virtues, class traits which give additional bonus depending of the way you're traited, legendary traits + 19 equpment pieces and creeps have mostly corruptions and just a few choices for what to slot in the class traits, as there are just a few more than the slots. Also we can add, that the freeps have tons of skills - no less than 3-4x than the creeps. So after every update the devs need big tweaks for the creeps, that they can't be sure will work at all. As long as the devs keep the current system there will never be balanced PvMP in LOTRO.
4)this will give mostly(only) PvP freeps what they want - no need every time there is an update, to go and PvE, just to get new equipment, so they don't feel weaker. And also this will give the ppl who play LOTRO only for PvMP on the creep side non stop fun - opposing to the boring period of 1-2 weeks after every update and then the frustrating period of OP freep classes for several months(years).
5)i reserve this for later, as right now I'll go and drink a beer with my honey and don't bother with the broken PvMP in LOTRO

[Blindings]

short and sweet, its been going down hill since it was sold to WB, &&&& content, not enough content, etten pvp is just a joke so the less ppl pay in shop the more they will take notice

[stoffi]

I don't think you'll find many veteran PvP'ers still playing Lotro. Playing once in a blue moon like me, maybe, but with so many terribly bad changes, and lack of interest by Turbine, i would say a good 70-80% of the veteran PvP'ers lost interest in this game's pvp, at least to continue playing it as their 'main pvp' game.

To be honest, there are no MMO's offering good open world pvp at the moment. I hope ESO will change that, but considering what is 'most wanted in the market' at the moment, I don't expect something awesome. Most MMO's are terribly easy at the moment, and sadly it is what most players want. Easymode classes, zergfest pvp'ing, and 'end game' content that can be finished within 1 week of the game's launch.

Spot on. I pre-ordered LOTRO, but they lost me when RoR came out. It was just too much legit cheating, imbalance, lack of effort from a clueless Turbine, pay2win, and then RoR came and the horror was complete. Zerg and hug is now encouraged, along with PvE in PvP-land. I won't play when the mechanics are like that; I value skill rather than zerg and p2w. There's simply no challenge anymore; just annoyance.

[Tufaldin]

Very new to the Moors, but I have been playing for a little while, leveling and raiding. What I notice, at least on my server. Is the raid of creeps can't take out a similar raid of freeps. What seems to be missed is R3-7, with an occasional r11-12 is competing against a raid of freeps with the latest and greatest jewelry, first agers due to the crazy drop rate of TSoTEK. I don't know how it "used" to be, did creeps just roll into a freep raid and lose a few folks and call it a night? The imbalance appears to me to be lower ranked creeps fighting against a very well equipped freep. I watched a r11 warg on my server lose repeatedly to a rank 2 champ. Ones the stigma of what you "used to be able to do" is gone then it just becomes an issue of comparing apples to oranges. It seems to me that it is nearly impossible to "balance" the Moors due to the variables. Should a r6 Reaver be able to take out a r6 champ? What gear does the champ have, weapons, legacy's, relics, tanking gear, DPS gear, traited for single target or AOE? I could go on, but I think the point i am trying to make is there

[Shraguz]

Lots of true stuff.

RIght on spot mate.
There won't be(there was not) any balance, until the freeps entering the Moors are made the same way as the creeps and have nothing in common with the PvE content.

Having 2 types of standarts for freeps and creeps is a fail in the first place for a PvP place.