Nona, Horn, and Corudan

[Redbeaver]

You mean the Elvish Precision Drill Team that showed up? That's purely Jackson's idea...and one of the worst ones he had.

In the books--the ultimate source of Turbine's license--there is *one*, count 'em, *one* Elf present (Legolas), one Dwarf (Gimli), one non-Rohir Man (Aragorn) and NO Hobbits.

I suggest you read the books.

darn.

ok.

well, my vote is that Turbine breaks the lore so we can bring our own toon (no matter what race it'll be) into Helm's Deep.

But on a serious side, im going to bet it's going to be an instance, and Helm's Deep will be another Hytbold where our actual toon is tasked with building it.

That's the best way, IMHO, to please the most people - not creating your own Rohir a la PvMP.

But we'll see.

[djheydt]

darn.

ok.

well, my vote is that Turbine breaks the lore so we can bring our own toon (no matter what race it'll be) into Helm's Deep.

But on a serious side, im going to bet it's going to be an instance, and Helm's Deep will be another Hytbold where our actual toon is tasked with building it.

Are you talking about the specific treatment (whatever it's going to be) of the Battle of the Hornburg in Helm's Deep? Or about the expansion called "Helm's Deep," which is going to include either all of or a large chunk of the Westemnet?

Because if it's the latter, remember that the Orcs have come to the Deep ravaging and burning everything in sight.

The rumour of war grew behind them. Now they could hear, borne over the dark, the sound of harsh singing. They had climbed far up into the Deeping Coomb when they looked back. Then they saw torches, countless points of fiery light upon the black fields behind, scattered like red flowers, or winding up from the lowlands in long flickering lines. Here and there a larger blaze leapt up.

'It is a great host and follows us hard,' said Aragorn.

'They bring fire,' said Théoden, 'and they are burning as they come, rick, cot, and tree. This was a rich vale and had many homesteads. Alas for my folk!'

Our main characters will have plenty of rebuilding to do after the Battle of the Hornburg is over, always assuming WB is willing to fund it.

[ShotgunStalker]

As said by everyone else, it is lore breaking...


..but i will admit it sounds awesome. I always love a Last Stand where someone important dies...like Boromir.

[djheydt]

As said by everyone else, it is lore breaking...


..but i will admit it sounds awesome. I always love a Last Stand where someone important dies...like Boromir.

Nobody "important" dies at the Battle of the Hornburg, only a number of unnamed Rohirrim and a much larger number of Orcs. Remember, when dawn breaks the Orcs have vanished under a forest of Huorns and are never seen again.

Wait till the Battle of the Pelennor, when Théoden dies and so does the Witch-King.

[OldMadeOfLions]

Nobody "important" dies at the Battle of the Hornburg...

Not true!



MoL

[djheydt]

(Nobody "important" dies in the Hornburg)

Not true!



MoL

Of course every man that fell at the Hornburg is important in the eyes of Eru. But I didn't think there were any casualties whose names we were given.

Elaborate?

[OldMadeOfLions]

Of course every man that fell at the Hornburg is important in the eyes of Eru. But I didn't think there were any casualties whose names we were given.

Hama, the doorward of Theoden, dies in front of the Hornburg. Rumour of his demise to wargs on the ride from Edoras is greatly exaggerated.

MoL

[djheydt]

Hama, the doorward of Theoden, dies in front of the Hornburg. Rumour of his demise to wargs on the ride from Edoras is greatly exaggerated.

MoL

Ah, you're right. I sit corrected.

[Yulin-Gladden]

Hama, the doorward of Theoden, dies in front of the Hornburg. Rumour of his demise to wargs on the ride from Edoras is greatly exaggerated.

MoL

Dern you, PJ! Dern you all to heck!

[djheydt]

Dern you, PJ! Dern you all to heck!

Don't hold back, Yulin; tell us how you REALLY feel.

[Tamandra]

Due to contrary belief, there were NO elves at Helm's Deep! Therefore, Corudan will NOT be at Helm's Deep. Maybe after the battle, but not during/before.

there were bunch DURING the fight...

...or at least in the movie.


If the books are different, then i prefer Turbine to follow the movie.

Just my 2c.

There were also badgers if you've seen the special edition...

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/special+edition/

If the books are different, then i prefer Turbine to follow the version of the movie that has the badger scenes restored.

I swear, if I can't have a badger soldier for Helm's Deep I'll ragequit.

Any chance MoL or Berephon could confirm the badger option will be in the expansion? Without the badgers a very important part of the lore will have been left out otherwise.

[whheydt]

If the books are different, then i prefer Turbine to follow the version of the movie that has the badger scenes restored.

Turbine's license is for use of the material in the books.

In any difference between the books and the movies, Turbine has to go by the books. Some of us think the is a Good Thing, especially since Jackson tended to make changes that definitely were NOT improvements.

[HunterGreen]

Turbine's license is for use of the material in the books.

In any difference between the books and the movies, Turbine has to go by the books. Some of us think the is a Good Thing, especially since Jackson tended to make changes that definitely were NOT improvements.

I am less critical of Jackson generally, and I feel some -- not all, but some -- of the changes were good for a movie, because of the specifics of how movies work. But I am entirely in agreement that, even if Turbine had the choice of using the movie's changes, it would essentially always be better to go with the books. Even where Jackson's choice was a good one for the movie approach, it wouldn't be better for the game. So me and whheydt end up reaching the same conclusion even if we may use slightly different roads to get there.

[whheydt]

There were also badgers if you've seen the special edition...

If you want good use of a badger, go read Tom Holt's Expecting Someone Taller. It's also got a lot of Norse mythology in it.

[94217856]

Whatever Turbine plans to do with the three of them doesn't bother me; AS LONG AS we can see them in the epics somewhere. I loved how the epics in Eastern Rohan had you running around with the three of them. It actually felt like you had your own fellowship; it was just epic.

I can tell that the next chunk of epics are going to revolve around the three of them (ish). Maybe at Helm's Deep Horn almost dies but Nona saves his life and dies in the process or something idk.

Whatever you decide Turbine I support you. Well as long as we get some epic finale with Horn, Nona and Corudan. I'm going to go insane if it's like: "Oh we won Helm's Deep now we can all just casually part ways." That's just not acceptable

[whheydt]

Whatever you decide Turbine I support you. Well as long as we get some epic finale with Horn, Nona and Corudan. I'm going to go insane if it's like: "Oh we won Helm's Deep now we can all just casually part ways." That's just not acceptable

I don't think you need to worry about *that*...there should be a dawning awareness by all NPCs, no matter how dim, that great events are unfolding, the world is in mortal danger, and there is to be no rest from strife until something really big occurs.

On the other hand, so long as Turbine stays with the Lore, you will see neither Corudan nor Nona at the Battle of the Hornburg. Helping clean up afterwards is a possibility, though.

[djheydt]

... there should be a dawning awareness by all NPCs, no matter how dim, that great events are unfolding, the world is in mortal danger, and there is to be no rest from strife until something really big occurs.

I dunno .... it's going to take MASSIVE revelations to winkle Fastred out of his domain.

And yet we know he will be winkled, because he's another who's going to die on the Pelennor.

[Malachi108]

Helm's Deep aside, I am now really worried on how The Battle on Pelennor Fields would be handled. The movie only had to deal with drama of Theoden's death, while LOTRO inevitably will have to pay at least some tribute to Harding, Deorwine, Grimbold, Horn and Fastred, not to mention other of those named Rohirrim whom we may yet meet in Westemnet. And let us not forget that Halbarad falls as well, in addition to several other Grey Company Rangers no doubt (Not all of them though. At least some DO survive Pelennor, later fight at Black Gate and eventually return to Eriador along with Gandalf, Elrond and his sons and the Hobbits). Since most of those are very important characters in LOTRO Epic whom we have spend years together already, I really hope each one gets his moment in the limelight and won't just be killed in a scene barely notable. The Witan instance comes to mind. If you're too bust fighting orcs, you will simply miss the moments when Beornoth, Radwig and Gisil fall, all of them being pretty unceremonious as it is.

[Urwendil]

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I dunno .... it's going to take MASSIVE revelations to winkle Fastred out of his domain.

Such as a muster ordered by his king?
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[djheydt]

Helm's Deep aside, I am now really worried on how The Battle on Pelennor Fields would be handled. The movie only had to deal with drama of Theoden's death,.....

The movie was a movie. It had to last no more than X minutes. I will reserve other comments on the movie as irrelevant.

while LOTRO inevitably will have to pay at least some tribute to Harding, Deorwine, Grimbold, Horn and Fastred, not to mention other of those named Rohirrim whom we may yet meet in Westemnet. And let us not forget that Halbarad falls as well, in addition to several other Grey Company Rangers no doubt (Not all of them though. At least some DO survive Pelennor, later fight at Black Gate and eventually return to Eriador along with Gandalf, Elrond and his sons and the Hobbits). Since most of those are very important characters in LOTRO Epic whom we have spend years together already, I really hope each one gets his moment in the limelight and won't just be killed in a scene barely notable. The Witan instance comes to mind. If you're too bust fighting orcs, you will simply miss the moments when Beornoth, Radwig and Gisil fall, all of them being pretty unceremonious as it is.

There's been all this talk about how Helm's Deep will be handled. Personally, I'm suspecting a whole cluster of instances, in which your Rohir character fights a series of Orcs in a number of different situations (scaling the wall, breaking through the grating, etc. etc.); I'm also suspecting that the Pelennor will be like that, only more so. Enough separate instances -- you plus a few NPCs vs. a small cluster of Orcs or Easterlings or whatever -- so the server doesn't get overloaded with a cast of thousands.

[Aedfrith]

Helm's Deep aside, I am now really worried on how The Battle on Pelennor Fields would be handled....

Of all the Rangers, I hold out hope that Saeradan and Lothrandir in particular survive.

[djheydt]

Of all the Rangers, I hold out hope that Saeradan and Lothrandir in particular survive.

In U11 we'll see Saeradan tell Halbarad that he wants to go back North to bury his fallen brothers in their own land. Halbarad gives him leave. So we may not see him for a while; he might miss the battles of the Hornburg and the Pelennor altogether.

I've already spoken my thoughts on Lothrandir: maybe we'll get to rescue him, but more likely he'll turn up somewhere and tells us (perhaps in a session play) how he escaped and served Lheu Brenin with his just deserts. Lothrandir is a Chekhov's gun; Turbine is going to do *something* interesting with him before all's done.

[94217856]

I've already spoken my thoughts on Lothrandir: maybe we'll get to rescue him, but more likely he'll turn up somewhere and tells us (perhaps in a session play) how he escaped and served Lheu Brenin with his just deserts. Lothrandir is a Chekhov's gun; Turbine is going to do *something* interesting with him before all's done.

Oh my god I hope so; that'd be just way too much fun!

[94217856]

Helm's Deep aside, I am now really worried on how The Battle on Pelennor Fields would be handled. The movie only had to deal with drama of Theoden's death, while LOTRO inevitably will have to pay at least some tribute to Harding, Deorwine, Grimbold, Horn and Fastred, not to mention other of those named Rohirrim whom we may yet meet in Westemnet. And let us not forget that Halbarad falls as well, in addition to several other Grey Company Rangers no doubt (Not all of them though. At least some DO survive Pelennor, later fight at Black Gate and eventually return to Eriador along with Gandalf, Elrond and his sons and the Hobbits). Since most of those are very important characters in LOTRO Epic whom we have spend years together already, I really hope each one gets his moment in the limelight and won't just be killed in a scene barely notable. The Witan instance comes to mind. If you're too bust fighting orcs, you will simply miss the moments when Beornoth, Radwig and Gisil fall, all of them being pretty unceremonious as it is.

I agree with you there. All I can say Pelennor is going to be big. If each character that you have a large portion of time with dies in a nice goosebump way so we can all se it; well hell not only will I be impressed; I think I"ll start breaking out in tears

[94217856]

I don't think you need to worry about *that*...there should be a dawning awareness by all NPCs, no matter how dim, that great events are unfolding, the world is in mortal danger, and there is to be no rest from strife until something really big occurs.

On the other hand, so long as Turbine stays with the Lore, you will see neither Corudan nor Nona at the Battle of the Hornburg. Helping clean up afterwards is a possibility, though.

Hmmmm..... I'm really not sure what Turbine is going to do with it. THey`ve bent the lore in the past, but judging how it`s going to be a soldier of ROhan at Helm`s Deep instead of our own toons tells me Turbine is really going to be sticking to the lore for this one. Looks like a wait and see huh?