''Launches in Fall 2013''

[Roberto_the_First]

Nah.

Nuke it from orbit.

After all, it's the only way to be sure

[rubyslipprz]

We're going to have to go with "B". It's been there since we created the forum.

How about coming back to this thread Sapience, and answering some of the questions posed? I am not asking for the pre-order to start tomorrow, but some kind of info would be nice. Thanks

[zalladi]

How about coming back to this thread Sapience, and answering some of the questions posed? I am not asking for the pre-order to start tomorrow, but some kind of info would be nice. Thanks

Some more info on Helm's Deep (specifically, instances) will be coming in the middle of this coming week through the next set of 20 questions, so keep peeled for that.

[Osprey11]

:d helms deep

[whheydt]

Some more info on Helm's Deep (specifically, instances) will be coming in the middle of this coming week through the next set of 20 questions, so keep peeled for that.

Where has that been stated? I seem to have missed the announcement.

[zalladi]

Where has that been stated? I seem to have missed the announcement.

Right here:

AS you can tell there were other things going on this week. The 20 Questions went to the localization team today. They've been tied up with work on the forum revamp and the 20Q fell behind the other work. It usually takes them 2-3 days to work through the translations and then we post. So I would say mid week next week is when you should see them (with the usual caveats of the world not ending, aliens not eating the dog, and so forth).

[xDementedx]

Right here:

Unfortunately the 20 questions CAN come without any info on Helm's Deep. He never states it comes with the 20 questions. I only hope it does though!

[zalladi]

Unfortunately the 20 questions CAN come without any info on Helm's Deep. He never states it comes with the 20 questions. I only hope it does though!

Ack, now to go for the hunt for the quote.

Here it is...

It's actually level 42.

There is information coming. The team is currently working on the next 20 Questions article. It is 100% about Big Battles/Instances.

[xDementedx]

I meant the actual details. We already know big instances/battles are coming just from the producer letter. What I really want to know is about the Helm's Deep content, epic, class changes, etc!

[bluebird229]

Nah.

Nuke it from orbit.

totally hahahaha i would love to see that lol

[spongedarksquarepants]

i'm fine if we dont get Helm's Deep til 2014, i am still trying to get thru moria on a character and now working on a Rune Keeper on Silverlode, so i have enough things to do to keep me occupied until then, it would be nice if soon we get some info on what pre orders we get and such things like that. if it released around the same time as the next hobbit movie then im fine with that as well.


after hearing how rohan was when it released i say the more time the better to fix things and make sure all the bugs and glitches are found during beta and are fixed up before release

[whheydt]

Right here:

Thanks. You notice it's an *estimate*, don't you? Might be "mid-week" or it might be later. I'd hazard a guess that the work on the current log in issues have the potential to cause some delays.

[Abbiati]

We're going to have to go with "B". It's been there since we created the forum.

Anyways is this really going to happen?
We are less than two months from fall and hadnt heard about preorder announcements or BR testing so far.

[angrolas]

The Player Council is most likely doing a large portion of the testing, which otherwise would have been done by closed beta participants. Closed beta might not last that long this expansion, simply because a majority of the bugs have already been caught by the Player Council. Turbine might only need closed beta to see how the server will handle under a large player population.
I don't like to compare other games to this one, but Age of Wushu announced the August 8th release date just this past Saturday. So they announced the release date for the expansion 5 days before it actually launches. Now I'm not promoting Age of Wushu or trying to bring the thread off topic, I'm just trying to prove the point that we don't have to know the release date for HD months in advance

[Frisco]

People doubt because a) for some, it is their nature and b) they tend to go by past experience. As pointed out, if you were on BR last year, testing actually launched end of July for a Sept release date that later got pushed back to October due to problems. It is not illogical to wonder how we can expect to have everything up and running by Dec. 20th if no testing phase date has even been announced, let alone launched since that has thus far been the pattern. Of course it is logical to point out HD is a different expansion, with different things in it, and so could therefore follow some other planning. But the question of not understanding why people point out past patterns is fairly easy to see. It is not whinning; it is merely pointing out what has so far been typically done. Since no info to the contrary has come out other than a remark from Sapience (buried in I forget which thread now), about how the expansion info will come out later than people may think, there is nothing else to base ANY impressions on. All is speculation until proven otherwise.

Past experience would suggest that the expansion will come on-time. Not sure where you get that this is a "past pattern" or "typical". Turbine is pretty punctual. In fact, RoR was announced for Fall and got released less than a month into Fall, even if they did originally bump the release *earlier* into summer. I don't believe any other expansion or update has been significantly delayed in 6.5 years...so not sure how it's a pattern. One time doesn't equal a pattern.

And if they tested RoR at the end of July for a September 5 release, that's 5 weeks. 5 weeks from now is still *Summer*. 3.5 months from now will be Fall. There's plenty of time to get BR running, especially since I imagine that nothing in HD will be half as complex as MC (which was the entire reason for the 5-week delay).

[Crell_1]

Past experience would suggest that the expansion will come on-time.

The question isn't just will it come it on time, but will it be playable? Will large portions of content advertised to be Launch items slip to a later update?; We were still receiving items purchased with our Rohan Expansion this Spring.

We don't really have the expansion we purchased until all of its content is delivered.

[Lohi]

The Player Council is most likely doing a large portion of the testing, which otherwise would have been done by closed beta participants.

I don't think so. From how I read it the council was for advice and bouncing ideas off of, not direct testing. They already have Palantir for the first-look testing, which I think is equivalent to the older closed beta bullroarer. After that, Bullroarer gets the concept relatively late in the process since that is just a preview type of server now.

[Sapience]

Btw, what about 20 Quetions of August? Not today, I presume? :-/

I may actually get this up a day earlier than I expected. I was hoping for Wednesday (the 7th), but I think it might sneak into tomorrow (the 6th).

[Cazthelm]

I may actually get this up a day earlier than I expected. I was hoping for Wednesday (the 7th), but I think it might sneak into tomorrow (the 6th).

Oh! Sapience, you make me happy

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

I may actually get this up a day earlier than I expected. I was hoping for Wednesday (the 7th), but I think it might sneak into tomorrow (the 6th).

Yay, good news!

[Elderban]

Ack, now to go for the hunt for the quote.

Here it is...

It says it's 100% about big battles and instances...that could mean instances that are already in the game...there's no mention of Helm's Deep in his response.

[Cazthelm]

It says it's 100% about big battles and instances...that could mean instances that are already in the game...there's no mention of Helm's Deep in his response.

True that, but it was in response to a question about Helm´s Deep stuff, so maybe we see something there.

[zalladi]

It says it's 100% about big battles and instances...that could mean instances that are already in the game...there's no mention of Helm's Deep in his response.

''Big Battles...''

How many of those do we have in the game?

[Danchir]

I don't understand why people associate '20 Questions' with 'future plans and info'. That's not how I see it.
'20 Qs' is supposed to give basic insights on fundamental game features, in principle, as info 'from the kitchen'. How are raids done, how are mounts done, how are bugs dealt with. What and how makes the game tick.
This has nothing to do with 'News about HD'.

[zalladi]

This has nothing to do with 'News about HD'.

See Sapience's post I quoted above...