I just wanted to say that there are min/maxers in the world... it seems all the really great beta testers are not only "maxers" but ultra maxers... they are the ones who solo BfE on challenge mode! They are going to miss some of the skills, but probably not as many as they fear they will. I'm a really good raider and will never even notice they are on another tree... Beta specific stuff: as a champ I can do more dps single target than before... it is very impressive... I can do so much more AoE it is beyond impressive... Now I can actually kill several strong mobs at the same time instead of killing them one at a time with barely any damage to the mob who isn't my main target.. I can do AoE that is no longer only effective against very weak trash mobs... I can martial up and be an effective tank... I just can't do them all at the same time, but I can switch trees between battles and do them all at different stages of a raid... It's very strategic stuff and it seems to me the maxers have missed the point...

Also note that without this change there was pretty much no where left to go with class advances... Our classes were already so far advanced there was nothing left to give and no where to put it if tried...

As for big battles.... totally lost to start... but really very easy to learn, especially if there are others in game who know what is going on.. in beta there was a long time no one had any idea whatsoever, as I think the devs were trying to determine the learning curve... there is so much there!.... you can succeed at any one part of it, and get rewards/xp... you can succeed at 2,3, or more parts (side quests) and get much more rewards. There are I think 4 BB's with probably 6 or 7 possible side quests.. you fight at Helm's dike.... then at helm's deep...then at the glittering caves, and then at the Hornburg, and they can be done solo, duo, 3, 6, or 12 man... how can anyone have any idea what BB's are really like with all these possibilities?...and you can fight as an engineer, an officer, or a vanguard and all these must be leveled with points earned doing the battles.... it's impossible to say what the battles will be like with fully developed players who know exactly what is going on.... they are fun at low levels and I predict will be a blast at end game.... and just try and imagine where the next BB's will be!....

overall I cant wait...