new Beor class excluded to the hobbit

[RetNavy2001]

Thank god. Hobbits are the worst race to play. Sometimes I go to Hoarhollow and slaughter those rodents for hours on ends. Useless they are.

Hobbits are an awesome race, who else can stealth, play dead among other things. A hobbit saved middle Earth. Anyway nothing I love more on the server then playing my Hobbit Burglar. Love PvP, I usually slaughter other toons as other races are just pitiful.

[rodin12]

Thorsock turbine do not confirm the races will allow only said that beor was man, and people decided that only man it but officially no turbine can not confirm anything

[Kehleyr]

*to Wales, geddit? And a Mini is a well-known brand of car here in the UK......oh I guess some jokes might only work if you are a Brit hehe

Quite well known across the pond as well. I've been driving one myself for over 10 years.

[Elflord410]

No, NO, AND NO, this game is not World of Warcraft

Not yet, anyway.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

Not yet, anyway.

I'll consider that when I'm riding around on my hobby horse with my pet huorn in tow

[ShireDweller]

I'll consider that when I'm riding around on my hobby horse with my pet huorn in tow

Make sure you're on a runekeeper when you do that to make it a complete lore-break trifecta!

[Boridre]

I just cannot picture a cute little Hobbit turning into a bear. A polecat maybe, but not a bear.

Koala bear?

[rodin12]

then merry and ppipin reward them their victories on the battlefield with a title I honorary Knights of which is not expected to go to the battle but are given for winning battles, this does not have any explanation in a reasonable situation is ridiculous to reward someone for making an achievement which is that you don't have to make Lords accept that they were Knights heavy armor mele like it or not was thus , I have a hobbit guardian and are the of more Rank and popularity of my server and between the 4 races and not just why lotro

[Mar-Evayave]

Quite well known across the pond as well. I've been driving one myself for over 10 years.

lol Can't say I'd want to drive one (don't much care for its looks), but the first time I heard of one was in the old Midtown Madness video games. xD

[c_the_awesome]

then merry and ppipin reward them their victories on the battlefield with a title I honorary Knights of which is not expected to go to the battle but are given for winning battles, this does not have any explanation in a reasonable situation is ridiculous to reward someone for making an achievement which is that you don't have to make Lords accept that they were Knights heavy armor mele like it or not was thus , I have a hobbit guardian and are the of more Rank and popularity of my server and between the 4 races and not just why lotro

And this proves that hobbits can become a Beorning...

[Nymphonic]

Thorsock turbine do not confirm the races will allow only said that beor was man, and people decided that only man it but officially no turbine can not confirm anything

Then why are you making such a big deal if Turbine has not confirmed anything?

[Comstrike]

And this proves that hobbits can become a Beorning...

Maybe he meant in a personal growth context.

I mean, did we all fail to learn anything from the message of Wreck It Ralph?

[rodin12]

read this data and say if they have the right to refuse classes that I ask and I appoint not the time nor the beor is the elderly.All these hobbits studied many scholars and their descendants responsible for the books of old knowledge and says nothing about if they ate cakes.Already have excuse have to accept that my request is possible without being the end of lotro therefore


and I leave these data on the lm . Frodo was extremely adventurous and very knowledgeable; He was writer and something as an expert in the legends and the language of the Elves. Thus, it became little more than one year doing a work of erudition: complete volumes and the few songs of Bilbo and add your own part of the history of the ring, which was titled "the fall of the." Lord of the rings and the return of the King"(such as saw them the little people; these being the memoirs of Bilbo and Frodo of the Shire, completed with the stories of his friends and the erudition of the sages.) Frodo was only surpassed in scholarship skills and language for the own Bilbo.

When the company came to Rivendell, Merry showed his prone erudition. He spent hours in libraries of Imladris, studying maps of the lands where would come soon, but that had not formerly


For these great achievements in favour of the rohirrim, Merry received a knighthood, and in their language they gave the name of "Holdwine". Merry became a great friend of the young King Éomer, and kept in touch with Rohan during the rest of his life, visiting her often and coming to master their language. Merry noticed the similarities between the language of the rohirrim and the hobbitico dialect, and wrote a cult study entitled words and old names from the region. Merry developed after extensive experience both in Botany and in the computation of the calendars. He wrote a work entitled Herbarium of the Shire and the important chronology, which collected in the deer at the beginning of the fourth age. But the feat that earned more esteem to Merry in the eyes of his people in the region was his efficient leadership of the troop during the sanitation of the Shire.


Sam also contributed to the Red Book of the border of the West, and wrote several poems. Finally, on 22 September (the day of the birthday of Bilbo and Frodo) of his hundredth second year Samwise also crossed the sea with destination to Valinor. Again, it would join Frodo, who had both loved

the most conclusive to allow lm hobbit

During the fourth age, granting them to the Hobbits King Elessar the region to the West of the County (which became known as the western border), many Hobbits moved there, including Elanor, the eldest daughter of Samsagaz Gamyi with her husband and their son Elfstan Belinfante. The place where they lived was renamed under the towers (by its proximity to the towers of Emyn Beraid). Since then, the descendants of Elfstan (towers Belinfantes) lived in this region, guarding many books of old to know, among them the book red of the Frontier West, the basis for all of the stories collected by Tolkien

In 1455 DC Fastred was named, by mediation of Sam, Guardian of the western border and settle with Torres down in the hills of the towers. At that time, they acquire microfiche surname and their descendants are known as the "Belinfantes de las Torres", who inherited the Red Book, and made several copies with multiple notes and added.

[Comstrike]

Everything you just offered has utterly nothing to do with any line of thought supporting the concept of shape shifting hobbits.

This is not every other MMORPG, despite crass comments made to the contrary at times. There are just some directions so beyond the pale of even contrived explanations that they are impossible to pull-off.

Hobbits as Beorn? I can't even accept a lore-based argument to have them in the game, but since this about combat mechanics and such I don't really care at this point. Even Turbine said, correctly, that Beorn was first a man, second some other things rare enough among even that race.

read this data and say if they have the right to refuse classes that I ask and I appoint not the time nor the beor is the elderly.All these hobbits studied many scholars and their descendants responsible for the books of old knowledge and says nothing about if they ate cakes.Already have excuse have to accept that my request is possible without being the end of lotro therefore


and I leave these data on the lm . Frodo was extremely adventurous and very knowledgeable; He was writer and something as an expert in the legends and the language of the Elves. Thus, it became little more than one year doing a work of erudition: complete volumes and the few songs of Bilbo and add your own part of the history of the ring, which was titled "the fall of the." Lord of the rings and the return of the King"(such as saw them the little people; these being the memoirs of Bilbo and Frodo of the Shire, completed with the stories of his friends and the erudition of the sages.) Frodo was only surpassed in scholarship skills and language for the own Bilbo.

When the company came to Rivendell, Merry showed his prone erudition. He spent hours in libraries of Imladris, studying maps of the lands where would come soon, but that had not formerly


For these great achievements in favour of the rohirrim, Merry received a knighthood, and in their language they gave the name of "Holdwine". Merry became a great friend of the young King Éomer, and kept in touch with Rohan during the rest of his life, visiting her often and coming to master their language. Merry noticed the similarities between the language of the rohirrim and the hobbitico dialect, and wrote a cult study entitled words and old names from the region. Merry developed after extensive experience both in Botany and in the computation of the calendars. He wrote a work entitled Herbarium of the Shire and the important chronology, which collected in the deer at the beginning of the fourth age. But the feat that earned more esteem to Merry in the eyes of his people in the region was his efficient leadership of the troop during the sanitation of the Shire.


Sam also contributed to the Red Book of the border of the West, and wrote several poems. Finally, on 22 September (the day of the birthday of Bilbo and Frodo) of his hundredth second year Samwise also crossed the sea with destination to Valinor. Again, it would join Frodo, who had both loved

the most conclusive to allow lm hobbit

During the fourth age, granting them to the Hobbits King Elessar the region to the West of the County (which became known as the western border), many Hobbits moved there, including Elanor, the eldest daughter of Samsagaz Gamyi with her husband and their son Elfstan Belinfante. The place where they lived was renamed under the towers (by its proximity to the towers of Emyn Beraid). Since then, the descendants of Elfstan (towers Belinfantes) lived in this region, guarding many books of old to know, among them the book red of the Frontier West, the basis for all of the stories collected by Tolkien

In 1455 DC Fastred was named, by mediation of Sam, Guardian of the western border and settle with Torres down in the hills of the towers. At that time, they acquire microfiche surname and their descendants are known as the "Belinfantes de las Torres", who inherited the Red Book, and made several copies with multiple notes and added.

[Nymphonic]

read this data and say if they have the right to refuse classes that I ask and I appoint not the time nor the beor is the elderly.All these hobbits studied many scholars and their descendants responsible for the books of old knowledge and says nothing about if they ate cakes.Already have excuse have to accept that my request is possible without being the end of lotro therefore


and I leave these data on the lm . Frodo was extremely adventurous and very knowledgeable; He was writer and something as an expert in the legends and the language of the Elves. Thus, it became little more than one year doing a work of erudition: complete volumes and the few songs of Bilbo and add your own part of the history of the ring, which was titled "the fall of the." Lord of the rings and the return of the King"(such as saw them the little people; these being the memoirs of Bilbo and Frodo of the Shire, completed with the stories of his friends and the erudition of the sages.) Frodo was only surpassed in scholarship skills and language for the own Bilbo.

When the company came to Rivendell, Merry showed his prone erudition. He spent hours in libraries of Imladris, studying maps of the lands where would come soon, but that had not formerly


For these great achievements in favour of the rohirrim, Merry received a knighthood, and in their language they gave the name of "Holdwine". Merry became a great friend of the young King Éomer, and kept in touch with Rohan during the rest of his life, visiting her often and coming to master their language. Merry noticed the similarities between the language of the rohirrim and the hobbitico dialect, and wrote a cult study entitled words and old names from the region. Merry developed after extensive experience both in Botany and in the computation of the calendars. He wrote a work entitled Herbarium of the Shire and the important chronology, which collected in the deer at the beginning of the fourth age. But the feat that earned more esteem to Merry in the eyes of his people in the region was his efficient leadership of the troop during the sanitation of the Shire.


Sam also contributed to the Red Book of the border of the West, and wrote several poems. Finally, on 22 September (the day of the birthday of Bilbo and Frodo) of his hundredth second year Samwise also crossed the sea with destination to Valinor. Again, it would join Frodo, who had both loved

the most conclusive to allow lm hobbit

During the fourth age, granting them to the Hobbits King Elessar the region to the West of the County (which became known as the western border), many Hobbits moved there, including Elanor, the eldest daughter of Samsagaz Gamyi with her husband and their son Elfstan Belinfante. The place where they lived was renamed under the towers (by its proximity to the towers of Emyn Beraid). Since then, the descendants of Elfstan (towers Belinfantes) lived in this region, guarding many books of old to know, among them the book red of the Frontier West, the basis for all of the stories collected by Tolkien

In 1455 DC Fastred was named, by mediation of Sam, Guardian of the western border and settle with Torres down in the hills of the towers. At that time, they acquire microfiche surname and their descendants are known as the "Belinfantes de las Torres", who inherited the Red Book, and made several copies with multiple notes and added.

The Shire was sanitized? a Surname in microfiche? I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm just wondering what you are trying to say.



Are you advocating for both Hobbit beornings or LMs, or both?


If Turbine has decided on men only for Beorning it's not going to change, and neither will the restrictions for Hobbits becoming lore masters, for the simple reason that you need new graphics. Heck, we can't get graphic cosmetics for existing weapons and shields for guardians, much less new graphics for allowing races to play current classes.

read this data and say if they have the right to refuse classes

This stuck out for me more than anything. You said "if they have the right to refuse classes". It's not a case of "if". LOTRO is Turbine's baby. They have every right to say that a race cannot play a class. Granted, they have to talk to the owners of the IP on what they do, but this is pretty much an open and shut case. If they say no Hobbit LMs or Beornings, then that is the final word.

[Sydeon]

I love hobbits, and most of my characters are hobbits, but there isn't really anything to support hobbit beornings existing. Beornings being a playable class at all still feels like a bit of a stretch to me, but I guess I can live with it.

As much as I'd love to see hobbits get access to a new class (as well as dwarves. They're both rather lacking in class choices compared to RoM and elves, and RoM are about to get yet another class exclusive to their race), it'd be tricky to make any of the remaining classes work as something playable by hobbits. Champions strike me as perhaps the most likely candidate, but it may be too bloodthirsty of a class for a hobbit.

[Selebrimbor]

read this data and say if they have the right to refuse classes that I ask and I appoint not the time nor the beor is the elderly.All these hobbits studied many scholars and their descendants responsible for the books of old knowledge and says nothing about if they ate cakes.Already have excuse have to accept that my request is possible without being the end of lotro therefore


and I leave these data on the lm . Frodo was extremely adventurous and very knowledgeable; He was writer and something as an expert in the legends and the language of the Elves. Thus, it became little more than one year doing a work of erudition: complete volumes and the few songs of Bilbo and add your own part of the history of the ring, which was titled "the fall of the." Lord of the rings and the return of the King"(such as saw them the little people; these being the memoirs of Bilbo and Frodo of the Shire, completed with the stories of his friends and the erudition of the sages.) Frodo was only surpassed in scholarship skills and language for the own Bilbo.

When the company came to Rivendell, Merry showed his prone erudition. He spent hours in libraries of Imladris, studying maps of the lands where would come soon, but that had not formerly


For these great achievements in favour of the rohirrim, Merry received a knighthood, and in their language they gave the name of "Holdwine". Merry became a great friend of the young King Éomer, and kept in touch with Rohan during the rest of his life, visiting her often and coming to master their language. Merry noticed the similarities between the language of the rohirrim and the hobbitico dialect, and wrote a cult study entitled words and old names from the region. Merry developed after extensive experience both in Botany and in the computation of the calendars. He wrote a work entitled Herbarium of the Shire and the important chronology, which collected in the deer at the beginning of the fourth age. But the feat that earned more esteem to Merry in the eyes of his people in the region was his efficient leadership of the troop during the sanitation of the Shire.


Sam also contributed to the Red Book of the border of the West, and wrote several poems. Finally, on 22 September (the day of the birthday of Bilbo and Frodo) of his hundredth second year Samwise also crossed the sea with destination to Valinor. Again, it would join Frodo, who had both loved

the most conclusive to allow lm hobbit

During the fourth age, granting them to the Hobbits King Elessar the region to the West of the County (which became known as the western border), many Hobbits moved there, including Elanor, the eldest daughter of Samsagaz Gamyi with her husband and their son Elfstan Belinfante. The place where they lived was renamed under the towers (by its proximity to the towers of Emyn Beraid). Since then, the descendants of Elfstan (towers Belinfantes) lived in this region, guarding many books of old to know, among them the book red of the Frontier West, the basis for all of the stories collected by Tolkien

In 1455 DC Fastred was named, by mediation of Sam, Guardian of the western border and settle with Torres down in the hills of the towers. At that time, they acquire microfiche surname and their descendants are known as the "Belinfantes de las Torres", who inherited the Red Book, and made several copies with multiple notes and added.

No...just.....

No.

Especially in your supposed justificiation beyond Hobbit LMs. Sure, Frodo and Merry were quite clever hobbits. Were the on the same level of wisdom as the likes of Lord Elrond, who I believe the class is based off of?

No.

[c_the_awesome]

Frodo was extremely adventurous and very knowledgeable

No, he had never left the Shire prior to the adventure of the One Ring, and hobbits consider a walk from Hobbiton to Frogmorton an adventure. And knowledgeable about what!?! Just because he knew a little more of the outside world than most hobbits, because his uncle was an extraordinary hobbit, does not make him very knowledgeable about it, in fact, Merry, of all people, seems more knowledgeable about area's outside the Shire than Frodo early on in the Fellowship of the Ring.

He was writer and something as an expert in the legends and the language of the Elves.

No, he just spoke a little Quenya, Sindarin, understood their a little of their customs, and knew a bit of their history; I speak a little Mandarin, understand some Cantonese, know what to do, and what not, to do in a Chinese home, and know a little about Chineese mythology, does that make me an expert? Absolutely not! I just happen to know a little more than my peers.

When the company came to Rivendell, Merry showed his prone erudition. He spent hours in libraries of Imladris, studying maps of the lands where would come soon

Well that's just smart, on the most important quest in the history of the universe, you might want to know where your going.

Merry noticed the similarities between the language of the rohirrim and the hobbitico dialect, and wrote a cult study entitled words and old names from the region. Merry developed after extensive experience both in Botany and in the computation of the calendars. He wrote a work entitled Herbarium of the Shire and the important chronology,

Just because you write a book does not make you smart.

Sam also contributed to the Red Book of the border of the West, and wrote several poems.

My roommate had a knack for poetry, even though he fell asleep in class, failed half his classes, and never to submitted anything in on time. he nearly got kicked out of school. Just because you can write poetry does not mean you can be a scholar.

I say a vehement NO to hobbits being anything but hobbits.
Tolkien himself said that hobbits never studied magic, and loremasters are all magic, wizzardy type of people. Why this is hard to fathom I do not know.

[Radhruin_EU]

read this data and say if they have the right to refuse classes that I ask and I appoint not the time nor the beor is the elderly.All these hobbits studied many scholars and their descendants responsible for the books of old knowledge and says nothing about if they ate cakes.Already have excuse have to accept that my request is possible without being the end of lotro therefore

and I leave these data on the lm . Frodo was extremely adventurous and very knowledgeable; He was writer and something as an expert in the legends and the language of the Elves. Thus, it became little more than one year doing a work of erudition: complete volumes and the few songs of Bilbo and add your own part of the history of the ring, which was titled "the fall of the." Lord of the rings and the return of the King"(such as saw them the little people; these being the memoirs of Bilbo and Frodo of the Shire, completed with the stories of his friends and the erudition of the sages.) Frodo was only surpassed in scholarship skills and language for the own Bilbo.

So a few of them were or became quite learned for hobbits but that really wasn't saying much. And regardless, Tolkien said hobbits didn't study magic so that'd naturally leave out all the sort of lore that the game's loremasters have supposedly been studying. Why do you think hobbits couldn't be LMs to begin with?

[BangoTwinkletoes]

So a few of them were or became quite learned for hobbits but that really wasn't saying much. And regardless, Tolkien said hobbits didn't study magic so that'd naturally leave out all the sort of lore that the game's loremasters have supposedly been studying. Why do you think hobbits couldn't be LMs to begin with?

My hobbit minstrel is a fully ranked scholar - she can study and produce all manner of artefacts based on ancient learnings and texts. Though of course magic does not exist in LOTRO - Lore Masters having studied nature and the ability to manipulate it, in the context of this game to what degree of separation is there between a fully ranked scholar crafter and a LM in terms of learning?

[Silmelin]

Elves and pie? With elves, I always imagine them drinking some sort of spring water or a very smooth wine!

Yes, but what elves really want is pie! They're just too... let's call it proud... to admit it!

[Nymphonic]

Yes, but what elves really want is pie! They're just too... let's call it proud... to admit it!

You know, youre absolutely right.

[Radhruin_EU]

My hobbit minstrel is a fully ranked scholar - she can study and produce all manner of artefacts based on ancient learnings and texts. Though of course magic does not exist in LOTRO - Lore Masters having studied nature and the ability to manipulate it, in the context of this game to what degree of separation is there between a fully ranked scholar crafter and a LM in terms of learning?

It's never been either particularly credible or consistent to pretend that it's not magic, especially not once they'd made the LM flashier and more 'wizardy'. Whatever you want to call it, hobbits are plainly not intended to have any esoteric or mystical powers so it's only right for them to be excluded from some classes. That's your 'degree of separation', stopping well short of blatantly taking the mickey which is what hobbit LMs would be.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

It's never been either particularly credible or consistent to pretend that it's not magic, especially not once they'd made the LM flashier and more 'wizardy'. Whatever you want to call it, hobbits are plainly not intended to have any esoteric or mystical powers so it's only right for them to be excluded from some classes. That's your 'degree of separation', stopping well short of blatantly taking the mickey which is what hobbit LMs would be.

Regardless of whether it is credible or not, the design and world ethos of this game is that "magic" in the classic sense was the preserve of the Valar and as such is not accessible to player characters. Of course certain famous individuals were able to manipulate it - Feanor and the Silmarils, Celebrimbor the three rings of power. However that's beside the point. LOTRO does not have magic, otherwise Turbine would have turned the taps on full and given us Mages, Warlocks, Illusionists and so forth. There can't be any shades of grey on this matter.

So, the question I have concerns scholarly study. Someone earlier in this thread made the point that hobbits, except for two notable exceptions were not learned. Yet in the context of this game my hobbit minstrel is a fully ranked scholar. She can understand and interpret ancient texts and other artefacts. So if this game allows my hobbit to be a master of lore, then the argument that hobbits should not be LMs because they were just a bunch of illiterate farmers and yeomen does not stand up to scrutiny.

Ultimately, this is where the inconsistencies within the game make it almost impossible to stand up any argument based on "lore" - there are just so many exceptions to the rule. If the lore were to be applied properly, then my hobbit minstrel should not be a scholar. Such professions should be limited to Elves and Men. Indeed if anything hobbits should be limited to farmers, cooks, tailors and woodworkers as being lore appropriate professions. Of course adhering to the lore would mean that pet huorns and Beornings would also be rolled back, however as those are considered appropriate then are hobbit LMs really such a departure?

[Mar-Evayave]

The Shire was sanitized? a Surname in microfiche? I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm just wondering what you are trying to say.

I think it is probably the result of a very poor translation service. It might almost be better if this thread was in the OP's native language.