new Beor class excluded to the hobbit

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

You cant use a very special hobbit as an example becouse he is a very special hobbit. There is only one Samwise Gamgee, and you can't be him. As for hobbits having adventures, hobbits consider padling from Frogmorton an adventure...

If this argument is going to be advanced, then why is the guardian built around the character of Samwise Gamgee, or the burglar built around the characteristics of Bilbo? Surely these are both very special hobbits being used as an example from which classes are extrapolated.

[Harbut]

You cant use a very special hobbit as an example becouse he is a very special hobbit. There is only one Samwise Gamgee, and you can't be him. As for hobbits having adventures, hobbits consider padling from Frogmorton an adventure...

Why not? Theyre doing that with Beornings...there was only one Beorn.......

[Radhruin_EU]

then Sam goes mad

Once and once only, because he was so desperate to save Frodo. One of those spur of the moment things, never to be repeated.

[c_the_awesome]

Why not? Theyre doing that with Beornings...there was only one Beorn.......

Sorry to all that is not what I meant. Forget that I said that.

[rodin12]

Faramir is almost dead of the war and if not help pippin calling Gandalf dies, Boromir dies in what separates from the company, Eowuin need to Merry kill the Witch King, the King of rohan dies in battle that you are bitten by the nazgûl are bloodthirsty men who can become champions of Gondor and Rohan are If this race is superior and not come out alive of a battle to remain silent and let all be Champs cpt and you want and human magicians there is no one in the novel are istaris, not human Angels

compare the performance of the hobbits in those battles and the humans and look who can be champion or cpt, neither Sam nor Merry and Pippin were defeated miserably as those human and Frodo took the magical thing that isildur could not.If to be champion or wizard you must be a human ok but so did in the battle other than die little


tradition that prevents to be champion and cpt is null when they went to all the battles of the war and magicians there is no one in the novel of the 4 races only istaris if a mage of one race can afford 4 and if not or a magician in lotro by tradition

[c_the_awesome]

compare the performance of the hobbits in those battles and the humans and look who can be champion or cpt, neither Sam nor Merry and Pippin were defeated miserably as those human and Frodo took the magical thing that isildur could not.If to be champion or wizard you must be a human ok but so did in the battle other than die little

The number of men in all the battles in the Lord of the Rings, probably exceeds the amount of Hobbits in the Shire. There were 2 hobbits in the Battle of the Pelenor fields, wanna guess how much men there were? Hobbits are short, able to disappear quickly, and silent; men are tall, load, and threatening, of course for men get killed off in the Lord of the Rings, they are much more numerous and obvious. Compare that to 2 hobbits.

[Nymphonic]

Well Rodin12, let me begin by saying that the target population for the infrastructure of the responsive permanent contingency develops a vision to leverage the negative aspects of any operational situation involving Hobbits and their associated stereotypes.

That said, without a doubt, Sapience was right in suggesting that any solution to the problem of the underlying surrealism of the hypothetical diffusible algorithm that implements Middle Earth identifies the dangers quite logically of the diverse hardware environment, needless to say, within the confines of the engine. This should be considered in the light of the analogous empirical class reciprocity and widely the available computing capacity.

Let's take for example a server like Landroval. In an ideal environment, the basis of any key objective is intrinsically significant. On the other hand the constraints of the compatible marginalised theme may mean a wide diffusion of the implicit casuistry into the priority sequence of events, as planned and later delivered.

Ergo just as all Beornings are men, but not all men are Beornings, all motivational singing buffoons may be minstrels, but not all minstrels are milk chocolate buttons with a hard glazed shell. A juxtaposition worth considering at length, if there ever was one.

My god, I love your posts. What's amazing is that I understood all of it!

You cant use a very special hobbit as an example becouse he is a very special hobbit. There is only one Samwise Gamgee, and you can't be him. As for hobbits having adventures, hobbits consider padling from Frogmorton an adventure...

Discussions on hobbit travel patterns. Brings a tear to my eye. Only a Tolkien freaks like us here in the forums can truly understand....

[Radhruin_EU]

Faramir is almost dead of the war and if not help pippin calling Gandalf dies, Boromir dies in what separates from the company, Eowuin need to Merry kill the Witch King, the King of rohan dies in battle that you are bitten by the nazgûl are bloodthirsty men who can become champions of Gondor and Rohan are If this race is superior and not come out alive of a battle to remain silent and let all be Champs cpt and you want and human magicians there is no one in the novel are istaris, not human Angels

compare the performance of the hobbits in those battles and the humans and look who can be champion or cpt, neither Sam nor Merry and Pippin were defeated miserably as those human and Frodo took the magical thing that isildur could not.If to be champion or wizard you must be a human ok but so did in the battle other than die little

tradition that prevents to be champion and cpt is null when they went to all the battles of the war and magicians there is no one in the novel of the 4 races only istaris if a mage of one race can afford 4 and if not or a magician in lotro by tradition

This argument is so bad it's painful. That's just a case of the key characters being kept alive by the plot, it's got nothing to do with hobbits being indomitable in themselves. As for the Ring, someone had to be able to resist it or there'd have been no epic tale to tell, would there?

Give it up, you're getting nowhere with this.

[rodin12]

Radhruin_EU Tolkien put warriors in 4 races allowed them to go to battle with heavy armor 4 races and there was no any race-threatening magicians like it or not, and if living mocking and discriminate against one of the 4 races in lotro are not causes but it's sad that this game can resist equality between the 4 as it happened in the novel tolkien wanted to a few hobbits were to the battle you don't have right to deny it were you like or not, I recognize that there was no hobbits Mage them there was no human as there was no single human beor 1, but Frodo and Sam were the only ones that use lamp Galadriel elven a magic elven object thing any human did not.All classes have the same rights can not make fun of one being more small without waiting that someone answer

[Harbut]

I cant watch...pokeing Rad with a pointy stick is hazardous to ones health...... *cowers under the table and covers his eyes*

[Radhruin_EU]

Radhruin_EU Tolkien put warriors in 4 races allowed them to go to battle with heavy armor 4 races and there was no any race-threatening magicians like it or not, and if living mocking and discriminate against one of the 4 races in lotro are not causes but it's sad that this game can resist equality between the 4 as it happened in the novel tolkien wanted to a few hobbits were to the battle you don't have right to deny it were you like or not, I recognize that there was no hobbits Mage them there was no human as there was no single human beor 1, but Frodo and Sam were the only ones that use lamp Galadriel elven a magic elven object thing any human did not.All classes have the same rights can not make fun of one being more small without waiting that someone answer

It's obvious you can't have a mainstream fantasy MMO without some sort of playable magicians, and a mainstream game set in Middle-earth needs playable hobbits, but you can certainly do without any hobbit magicians. But when it comes to Men, Tolkien wasn't consistent about whether they could sometimes be magicians or not so that gives Turbine the benefit of the doubt there. Tolkien was absolutely consistent about hobbits not studying magic, though, so there's no doubt at all. He also tells us definitively that hobbits had never been warlike and that they weren't bloodthirsty: they wouldn't even go hunting for sport, only for food. So that's why no Champions, because that class is all about violence for its own sake, really revelling in it. Hobbits are reluctant to harm others, but Champions are ardent warriors who like a good fight. So it makes no difference that hobbits do some fighting during the course of the book, what matters is why they're fighting (only because they have to) and how they feel about it afterwards.

The Phial of Galadriel is Elvisn 'magic', containing the blessed light of one of the Silmarils (which was the Light of the Two Trees), and its power is invoked by a prayer to Elbereth. It's not hobbits doing magic. They didn't even know the words to say, they were mysteriously inspired to say them; Sam in particular had no idea what he was even saying because he didn't speak Elvish. They weren't given the Phial because they were hobbits, but because they were on a quest and Galadriel had forseen that they'd need such help. And most of all, Frodo and Sam are favoured like that because they're the ones who are fated to take the Ring to Mount Doom, it's not as if that somehow makes all hobbits equally special.

Tolkien never suggests that hobbits could do everything - in fact, he tells us that they couldn't. They're limited in what they can do. Take the hint. This talk of 'rights' is nonsense - hobbits have already been allowed to be every class it makes sense for them to be, and more besides.

[rodin12]

I just want to have something that I think and all think if it is normal to continue a tradition so far.In another game, I have a spirimaster hobbit in lotro is a lm, because there I find players of lotro to play with me and my Mage, there play with a hobbit Wizard and see it normal and here denied me it I am the same person my player is the same race only to change tradition, think if it is normal to get these extrenos by the tradition of a novel , is not real is a game based on a novel if there is or not ml hobbit does not change to lotro, lotro is a game as aion can't live glued to that tradition until the death of the game out of boredom or lack of players

[Brandon_Blackbird]

You're missing that it's not up to Turbine. You should be sending letters to the Saul Zaentz Company instead, as they're the ones who say "yes" or "no" for everything that Turbine wants to do. If they say no Hobbit whatever, Turbine can't change that.

[Radhruin_EU]

I just want to have something that I think and all think if it is normal to continue a tradition so far.In another game, I have a spirimaster hobbit in lotro is a lm, because there I find players of lotro to play with me and my Mage, there play with a hobbit Wizard and see it normal and here denied me it I am the same person my player is the same race only to change tradition, think if it is normal to get these extrenos by the tradition of a novel , is not real is a game based on a novel if there is or not ml hobbit does not change to lotro, lotro is a game as aion can't live glued to that tradition until the death of the game out of boredom or lack of players

Somehow I don't think the game will die just because people can't play halfling mages

[rodin12]

There is no hobbits magicians no dwarf wizards or cpt of the 3 races wuarden dwarf or dwarf women nor thousand things only the supremacy of one race followed by a distance and the 2 latest nothing .de anyway when it ends the war of the ring and we have little passing closes this or start 4 age and there if there are hobbit with books of the old know

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

There is no hobbits magicians no dwarf wizards or cpt of the 3 races wuarden dwarf or dwarf women nor thousand things only the supremacy of one race followed by a distance and the 2 latest nothing .de anyway when it ends the war of the ring and we have little passing closes this or start 4 age and there if there are hobbit with books of the old know

Dear Rodin, please give up - you're not going to get them to change this.

[dietlbomb]

Are the developers dead set on calling the class Beorning? Why not Skin-changer? The class could have the same skill set as a Beorning without as many pesky lore restrictions.

This would be analogous to calling the class that does all that Gandalf stuff a lore-master instead of a Wizard, or calling the class that fights like Gimli a champion instead of a Dwarf Warrior.

Why can't skin-changers be of other races? Beornings are known to be skin-changers, but there's nothing that says that all skin changers have to be Beornings. Luthien and Sauron had this ability. Why can't elves and hobbits learn their secrets?

[Radhruin_EU]

Are the developers dead set on calling the class Beorning? Why not Skin-changer? The class could have the same skill set as a Beorning without as many pesky lore restrictions.

This would be analogous to calling the class that does all that Gandalf stuff a lore-master instead of a Wizard, or calling the class that fights like Gimli a champion instead of a Dwarf Warrior.

Why can't skin-changers be of other races? Beornings are known to be skin-changers, but there's nothing that says that all skin changers have to be Beornings. Luthien and Sauron had this ability. Why can't elves and hobbits learn their secrets?

Anyone who thinks we should have hobbits shapechanging must have bumped their head and forgotten which game they're playing. Seriously.

[dietlbomb]

Anyone who thinks we should have hobbits shapechanging must have bumped their head and forgotten which game they're playing. Seriously.

Is it that game where one man could spawn a race of thousands of adventuring shape-changers in 77 years?

[Radhruin_EU]

Is it that game where one man could spawn a race of thousands of adventuring shape-changers in 77 years?

You might recall I wasn't keen on the idea of playable skin-changers in the first place, but if we must have them then they should at least bear some resemblance to the original. As in being big burly bearded bearlike Northmen, rather than bucolic midgets with big hairy feet who aren't even supposed to do magic in the first place. There's a difference between making LOTR look somewhat silly (as LOTRO does now) and entirely ridiculous, as it would be if we had anything as mindless as shapechanging hobbits.

[dietlbomb]

You might recall I wasn't keen on the idea of playable skin-changers in the first place, but if we must have them then they should at least bear some resemblance to the original. As in being big burly bearded bearlike Northmen, rather than bucolic midgets with big hairy feet who aren't even supposed to do magic in the first place. There's a difference between making LOTR look somewhat silly (as LOTRO does now) and entirely ridiculous, as it would be if we had anything as mindless as shapechanging hobbits.

Perhaps the hobbits could change into something more realistic, perhaps a rabbit. Elves could change into eagles. Dwarves could change into bulls.

I'm not so keen on the whole Beorning thing either, but at the very least, I think the devs should be shooting for making it fun to play. Hobbits are fun to play.

[Nymphonic]

lotro is a game as aion can't live glued to that tradition until the death of the game out of boredom or lack of players

Rodin, whether or not the game prospers or not will have nothing to do with a Hobbit being a lore master or beorning. I've been seeing these "LOTRO is dying" posts for 7 years now.


I really have no issue with a Hobbit being a lore master or champ, but no way do I want a Hobbit to be a Beorning. The thought of a Hobbit turning into a bear is just plain tacky. Can you imagine the roar? More like a meow or shriek. We'd never be able to look the forces of Mordor in the eye again after the laughter.

Not only Hobbits but elves too. Elves are just too uppity to turn into an uncouth bear.

[cdq1958]

I do have a problem with a Hobbit champion (base class Beserker = warrior for the fun/sport of it) when Hobbits were specifically said to not be warlike and never killing for sport.

Hobbit hunter? Yep have to eat. Hobbit guardian or captain? Yep, but only under extreme necessity, and for the captain, only were leaders of other Hobbits (thus out of this game). Hobbit warden? Hmm, bit of a stretch but they have Bounders. Hobbit minstrel? Of course. Burglar? He he he, of course; see below.

Hobbits were specifically said to have no magic about them, other than the ordinary sort that allowed them to move silently and get out of the sight of larger, clumsier races. What did Hobbits study? Food, growing it and eating it and genealogy. Some of them were lettered (meaning they learned how to write), but that was not a general thing with Hobbits. So Lore-masters as we have them are out and Rune-keepers are out as well as skin changing too.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

I do have a problem with a Hobbit champion (base class Beserker = warrior for the fun/sport of it) when Hobbits were specifically said to not be warlike and never killing for sport.

Hobbit hunter? Yep have to eat. Hobbit guardian or captain? Yep, but only under extreme necessity, and for the captain, only were leaders of other Hobbits (thus out of this game). Hobbit warden? Hmm, bit of a stretch but they have Bounders. Hobbit minstrel? Of course. Burglar? He he he, of course; see below.

Hobbits were specifically said to have no magic about them, other than the ordinary sort that allowed them to move silently and get out of the sight of larger, clumsier races. What did Hobbits study? Food, growing it and eating it and genealogy. Some of them were lettered (meaning they learned how to write), but that was not a general thing with Hobbits. So Lore-masters as we have them are out and Rune-keepers are out as well as skin changing too.

I can fully understand and appreciate why people would not want hobbits to be able to play any martial class - but as I can roll a hobbit guardian, spec them deep into "red" and be able to deal death and misery with a two-handed battle axe, great sword or mattock, that's not a million miles away from the playing style of a "red spec" champ.

[bambubambubambu]

Well Rodin12, let me begin by saying that the target population for the infrastructure of the responsive permanent contingency develops a vision to leverage the negative aspects of any operational situation involving Hobbits and their associated stereotypes.

That said, without a doubt, Sapience was right in suggesting that any solution to the problem of the underlying surrealism of the hypothetical diffusible algorithm that implements Middle Earth identifies the dangers quite logically of the diverse hardware environment, needless to say, within the confines of the engine. This should be considered in the light of the analogous empirical class reciprocity and widely the available computing capacity.

Let's take for example a server like Landroval. In an ideal environment, the basis of any key objective is intrinsically significant. On the other hand the constraints of the compatible marginalised theme may mean a wide diffusion of the implicit casuistry into the priority sequence of events, as planned and later delivered.

Ergo just as all Beornings are men, but not all men are Beornings, all motivational singing buffoons may be minstrels, but not all minstrels are milk chocolate buttons with a hard glazed shell. A juxtaposition worth considering at length, if there ever was one.

Yay chocolate!