Hytbold rewamp

[Lefali]

Could you plese lower Hytbold grind when the best equipment there is outdated already? For many ppl it is a black stain in history of LOTRO it would be relief for them like from prison and easier to play? thank you

[HaleElven]

Why?

As you already said, the gear is outdated. So, there's no point in making them easier to get because there's no reason to get them.

[Lefali]

2nd part of what I wrote - because I know some ppl who feels it that way and also because I still think Hytbold is a good idea and if they would shorten it I would be able to actually enjoy it Just for fun you know and I see as the main reason it was so long, because they wanted to make it hard because the equipment was the best in the game, so now they could remake it so it would be I dont say easy, but not that long and thus repetitive and it could be white spot in the game IMHO.

[LethalLethality]

Why?

As you already said, the gear is outdated. So, there's no point in making them easier to get because there's no reason to get them.

Because an important part of the RoR story is locked until Hytbold is rebuilt fully, for one. Now that RoR/Hytbold is no longer endgame content, one shouldn't have to go the 40+ days to rebuild it for the story.

[HaleElven]

Because an important part of the RoR story is locked until Hytbold is rebuilt fully, for one. Now that RoR/Hytbold is no longer endgame content, one shouldn't have to go the 40+ days to rebuild it for the story.

Then, if you want to know what happens, you can read what about it on the wiki.

[robocles]

Then, if you want to know what happens, you can read what about it on the wiki.

Gee... aren't you helpful.

The suggestion has some merit... you don't need to gate the story behind a 1.5 month grind any more. You can keep the grind for the gear absurd, of course... but, how does making some of that content more accessible hurt anything?

[Dotlbeme]

Would be a compromise but if you unlocked it ONCE, then the rest of your account could also have the benefit AND let your alts contribute if they are at the appropriate level. You can already get the armor for your alts if it is all unlocked and that character has the barter items.

[soltasword]

The only thing I think they need to do is up the limit of quests you can do a day. You can do 5 a day now, but with HD out now and even the Breaking of Isengard out as well, they should raise it to 10 a day. Still a little bit of a grind but not so much you avoid doing it since it is no longer end game content.

[Hurin]

Then, if you want to know what happens, you can read what about it on the wiki.

SPOILER

You falsely imprison people during the course of the RoR storyline. You cannot rectify this until Hytbold is rebuilt. That's many, many, many, days of repetitive (formerly endgame time-sink) grinding just to advance the storyline and free them.

It's not about "knowing what happened". . . your suggestion to "read about it on the wiki" is much like telling someone to read the Cliff Note's version of LotR. Except in that analogy, in order to finish LotR, you're asked to re-read "The Houses of Healing" fifty times before you can move on to the "Scouring of the Shire."

The OP's request is certainly valid and reasonable.

P.S. Can't you purchase a reset to the Hytbold timer in the Store? If so, that's motivation for Turbine not to make this otherwise reasonable change.

[Vilan]

I'm fine leaving Hytbold the way it is. I did the grind once and thought the final instance was interesting. Now I will not bother doing it on my alts since I know what happens and I have no great need for the gear. That suits me. If the grind is not worth it to you, don't do it. If it is, go for it. You have options.

[Hurin]

I'm fine leaving Hytbold the way it is. I did the grind once and thought the final instance was interesting. Now I will not bother doing it on my alts since I know what happens and I have no great need for the gear. That suits me. If the grind is not worth it to you, don't do it. If it is, go for it. You have options.

SPOILER

Some folks have an issue with their characters throwing an innocent person in prison. Should they have to grind 30+ days of Hytbold just to undo that across all six of their characters when that grind was clearly put there in order to extend the endgame of that era and was never intended to "gate" the release of that prisoner so drastically? You can actually free Lothrandir quicker than that poor soul you imprisoned faster if you skip Hytbold. That's obviously not right.

The "I don't care so nobody should" mentality across internet forums is really unfortunate. If there is no downside to this change for anyone (is there!?!) in this era of the game, why on earth do people find it necessary to point out how they don't care and aren't affected even while others demonstrate how and why they clearly are affected?

[LethalLethality]

I'm fine leaving Hytbold the way it is. I did the grind once and thought the final instance was interesting. Now I will not bother doing it on my alts since I know what happens and I have no great need for the gear. That suits me. If the grind is not worth it to you, don't do it. If it is, go for it. You have options.

It's not that the grind is not "worth it" It's that by the time you're able to finish the Hybold rebuild, you've enough time to finish everything else in Helm's Deep based on the mandatory slowdown.

[Nosdracir]

Simplest thing to do here is to remove the quest Aiding the Eastemnet and let characters do ALL the dailies at each town each day. Leaves a bit of a grind, but about 70% less time to complete it. You'll still be nearing level 80 by the time you finish unless you use the Stone of the Tortoise.

Maybe even open the quest up so you can start at a lower level, like 72 or 73.

[Strmi]

it was never hard,it was extremely boring

[Yula_the_Mighty]

It's not that the grind is not "worth it" It's that by the time you're able to finish the Hybold rebuild, you've enough time to finish everything else in Helm's Deep based on the mandatory slowdown.

Each person has their own opinion on how the game mechanics work. Myself, I do not see anything wrong with game content that requires people to work on the content over multiple play sessions. As such, it take 1-3 months to complete the activity.

I am happy with the current design. I do not want it changed. I was not annoyed with the Eldgang reputation faction back when the easiest way to get to Kindred was to do The Rift skirmish once a day. The reputation award was a daily. I would do a Rift Skirmish every day I played my Hunter until I finished.

I miss the old design for raids. Each raid had raid unique rewards. You could do "The RAID" once per week. One gear piece dropped per run. I took an average of 12 weeks - 3 months to get your armor suit. Versus the current mechanism where people had their first ages on launch day because they went on a raid skirmish feeding frenzy. This method leads to ---> one - 7 days after the major update - Nothing to do - Bored to tears. When is Update 14?

[Lefali]

It would be enough if it would be 5 tokens per a rebuild, not 10 in 2nd and 3rd round. It is quite discouraging. Iwould expect 10 token in first round and then 5, not the opposite.

[Leixy]

I agree they should make make the Aiding the Eastemnet quest repeatable with maybe a 1 hr cooldown, but leave the quests capped at 16/day.

/signed

I've always felt that old end-game landscape grinds should be reduced to 7 days once the expansion is considered obsolete.

[dietlbomb]

I agree. They can keep the armour prices where they are, or raise them for that matter. Just drop the cost to rebuild the town by a factor of 5 so it can be completed reasonably quickly. The necessity for this to take 44 days to complete is obsolete.

[Lobengulu]

Because an important part of the RoR story is locked until Hytbold is rebuilt fully, for one. Now that RoR/Hytbold is no longer endgame content, one shouldn't have to go the 40+ days to rebuild it for the story.

My hunter who started it fairly soon after inception still has not finished it.

[Vilan]

SPOILER

Some folks have an issue with their characters throwing an innocent person in prison. Should they have to grind 30+ days of Hytbold just to undo that across all six of their characters when that grind was clearly put there in order to extend the endgame of that era and was never intended to "gate" the release of that prisoner so drastically? You can actually free Lothrandir quicker than that poor soul you imprisoned faster if you skip Hytbold. That's obviously not right.

The "I don't care so nobody should" mentality across internet forums is really unfortunate. If there is no downside to this change for anyone (is there!?!) in this era of the game, why on earth do people find it necessary to point out how they don't care and aren't affected even while others demonstrate how and why they clearly are affected?

If the thought of a virtual person in a virtual prison fills you with real anguish, just tell yourself that you freed that person once you get to the Hytbold stage. Do you really need to spend the effort for the game to officially tell you? I'm not saying nobody should care, I'm pointing out ways for those who DO care to successfully maneouvre around it while waiting for game changes that may well not happen.

[Lialix]

It would be nice if the hytbold coins would by account wide ..

[Fratonia]

I only rebuild Hytbold on my alts because it actually changes something in the game. I like to see the town being rebuild from the ashes. Most of the time what we do has no meaning in the game. You killed 100 Orcs? Look, here they are again. A fire burned down this house during a quest? No, look - the fire didn't do any damage because the quest is finished.

I like it that Turbine added a bit more of these spots in Helms Deep expansion where you can see that your actions or other actions caused some change in the landscape (no matter good or bad).

What I would like is that Turbine drops the cost for the kindred Hytbold quests to 5 tokens. Nothing more. I would already make the rebuild much less tedious.

[thinx]

Changing something would really be nice. Although there is a long tradition of NOT lowering the requirement for previous endgame repeatables, it might be a good thing to do in the future. Personally I am currently doing Hytbold for the 2nd time (although I was quite sure I wouldn't do it again) and truth is I like it better than the current Fangorn runs.

The previous level cap repeatables become IMO dead content that still needs maintenance and hosting. The amount of repetition is totally unmatched to the quality of reward you get. Not doing the content and getting same quality gear 3 levels later (takes less than a day) or (e.g.) 44 days of repetition is a choice that leads to one result.
This is not only the problem with Hytbold, but also with Eldgang, Enedwaith, Limlight Gorge, Lorien and Wildermore - in short (except Hytbold) all the grind of the intermediate small releases (adding Fangorn next year).
The content is only relevant for completionists. Maybe this is the reason I do it on my main by now...

The only problem I can really see in speeding up this type of content is the coupling to reputation and the generation of TP - that should normally be gated by grind.
For Hytbold the solution is quite simple: Reduce the cost of rebuilding the town, but keep currency and reputation income constant. For others this is more difficult.

About Hytbold reset tokens: Before claiming that this would lower sales numbers, I'd like to see those numbers first. Are there really people buying reset tokens for Hytbold today?

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

The only thing that I think needs changing here is having the two Witan instances from the end of Hytbold made available to repeat via the East Rohan reflecting pool. Currently, you can't see this content again unless you grind Hytbold on an additional character.

[cdq1958]

I'm doing Hytbold on a second alt. I will do it on at least the 13 adventurers I play. I might do it on all 32 ... I enjoy it. What I'm finding to be more of a frustration is Wildermore's Survivors of Wildermore faction. I don't know how many of my alts will do that one. My main is still not done with it; but I do know that once I've gotten all of the deeds that I can speed it up with MC, reputation accelerators and timing.

The only one worse, in my opinion, is Eldgang. Beg for Rift runs or run the Skirmish. How many Rescue in Nurz Ghashu do I have to run for that? /rhetorical