Jinjaah No Pvmp Essence armor yet?

[MeLoWaR]

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...99#post7183999

Jun 16 2014, 06:09 PM

#17

Jinjaah
The Lord of the Rings Online Team

Turbine, Inc.
I think update 15 would be a realistic date to see it but we shall see. We want to watch the initial roll out of this system and see how it goes over first and we also want to iron out a few more details on the best way to incorporate this system into pvmp. Already in this thread people have some great ideas on how to do that, its just about which way is best for our current goals for pvmp and for the slotted gear system.

-Jinjaah

So im at work atm and cant check for real but a friend said there is no pvmp essence socketed armor in GV atm.Will you add these armors in update 15?

Thanks.

@jinjaah

[Navarro11]

I have checked GV and still not essence armour there, dont know if we gonna see them in the future beta releases.

[Nimrinoth]

Given that they have already added beorning armor to the moors, i wouldn't get your hopes up for moors essence gear.

[Jinjaah]

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...99#post7183999



So im at work atm and cant check for real but a friend said there is no pvmp essence socketed armor in GV atm.Will you add these armors in update 15?

Thanks.

@jinjaah

This will not be in for update 15. Most likely a 15.2 change. We didn't want to rush the implementation of it with so many other things coming into 15. We plan on spending some time to properly convert the armour pieces over to essence. This includes creating a set of proc essences that contain some of the pvmp bonuses for classes. We can talk about this a little further down the road.

-Jinjaah

[wbhz]

Instead of making different armor for the PVP. Why not just let us barter for an essence that gives +X to audacity witch commendations or some other . Then we can use one of the slots on the armor or our audacity. I personally have 1-2 pieces of armor that I swap in an out depending on if I am in Tier2 raids versus just PVEing. So for pvp I would do the same thing.

If 5 slot armor is coming out as was mentioned a while ago, loosing 6 slots our of some potential 24+ slots for audacity imo would not be bad option.

[Yand]

This will not be in for update 15. Most likely a 15.2 change. We didn't want to rush the implementation of it with so many other things coming into 15. We plan on spending some time to properly convert the armour pieces over to essence. This includes creating a set of proc essences that contain some of the pvmp bonuses for classes. We can talk about this a little further down the road.

-Jinjaah

15.2 is what, April 2015? There have been no rewards for freeps in the Moors since the First Agers waaaay back when the cap was level 85, years ago. The moors armour set stats are sub-par to say the least, forced on us in the Moors, pitiful outside. Our Rank cloaks, the rewards of ofton years of effort, never got scaled up to the new Level 100 cap, and are relegated to a cosmetic slot at best. Our moors jewellery sets are inadequate, and have not been worn by anyone for several level cap increases.

And Osgiliath, long talked about as our potential next PvMP map is increasingly being talked about as PvE content. The ever mounting numbers of Rank 15 have nothing to come to the moors for, the Rank cap unchanging despite our pleadings.

Can we not have something, ANYTHING to tide us over after years of neglect. Even creeps got something when they got their healing potions for a fixed percentage of health, where our healing potions heal 10% of health at best.

[Jinjaah]

Instead of making different armor for the PVP. Why not just let us barter for an essence that gives +X to audacity witch commendations or some other . Then we can use one of the slots on the armor or our audacity. I personally have 1-2 pieces of armor that I swap in an out depending on if I am in Tier2 raids versus just PVEing. So for pvp I would do the same thing.

If 5 slot armor is coming out as was mentioned a while ago, loosing 6 slots our of some potential 24+ slots for audacity imo would not be bad option.

This is loosely our plan for integrating essences into pvmp but with some other changes. It seems like a simple change but it does require some time and effort that we just unfortunately could not squeeze into this timeline. But like I said before, we can talk about this in the coming weeks.

-Jinjaah

[steelrain79]

15.2 is what, April 2015? There have been no rewards for freeps in the Moors since the First Agers waaaay back when the cap was level 85, years ago. The moors armour set stats are sub-par to say the least, forced on us in the Moors, pitiful outside. Our Rank cloaks, the rewards of ofton years of effort, never got scaled up to the new Level 100 cap, and are relegated to a cosmetic slot at best. Our moors jewellery sets are inadequate, and have not been worn by anyone for several level cap increases.

And Osgiliath, long talked about as our potential next PvMP map is increasingly being talked about as PvE content. The ever mounting numbers of Rank 15 have nothing to come to the moors for, the Rank cap unchanging despite our pleadings.

Can we not have something, ANYTHING to tide us over after years of neglect. Even creeps got something when they got their healing potions for a fixed percentage of health, where our healing potions heal 10% of health at best.

Agree to all of this, please do SOMETHING out there for PVPers. ANYTHING out there would be nice. A lvl 100 cloak, jewelery, LIs....something! Do not forget the ones that fight the war!

-Yellowcab- Hunter, Rank 12, Brandywine

[Eirika]

15.2 is what, April 2015? There have been no rewards for freeps in the Moors since the First Agers waaaay back when the cap was level 85, years ago. The moors armour set stats are sub-par to say the least, forced on us in the Moors, pitiful outside. Our Rank cloaks, the rewards of ofton years of effort, never got scaled up to the new Level 100 cap, and are relegated to a cosmetic slot at best. Our moors jewellery sets are inadequate, and have not been worn by anyone for several level cap increases.

And Osgiliath, long talked about as our potential next PvMP map is increasingly being talked about as PvE content. The ever mounting numbers of Rank 15 have nothing to come to the moors for, the Rank cap unchanging despite our pleadings.

Can we not have something, ANYTHING to tide us over after years of neglect. Even creeps got something when they got their healing potions for a fixed percentage of health, where our healing potions heal 10% of health at best.

I agree 100% with Yand - I am a newer player to the moors but already have trouble finding anything to use my Comms on after maxing my aud armour. My scaled-up RK uses his rank 6 cloak but only because he is a scale-up and doesn't have level 100 pve gear. I love the moors but at Rank 8 my Hunter now has nothing to spend comms on and I see so many folks in the raid I run in who just let the currency cap stay on. I would hate to see the rank 15 players leave because they are lacking in goals to aim at or rewards to really strive for. I would also hate for them to stay simply out of a sense of duty or pity for those of us coming up and needing their experience to have a really fun time.

We really need to get some advancements for the freep-side to keep the interest level high - I am not speaking for creepside advancements/changes simply because I rarely play that side and can't comment on what is needed or is fair from that perspective...

I think the moors are an important part of the future success of LOTRO - especially if some advancements are made soon. Most moors junkies I know still spend a lot of time outside the moors either on their primary or on alts they are bringing up. Lose the steadfast moors players and you lose the other characters associated with them. I have friends on both sides of the moors and want to see them continue to be as vibrant as they are on Brandywine so we can all continue experience the joy of combat against a sentient opponent!

Thanks for all the work the developers do - these are just my thoughts about the moors!

Lothhil, Hunter - Rank 8 /Larilthil, RK - Rank 6 (Brandywine)

[Gromit1710]

It wasn't that long ago that we had our First Creep and Freep R15's on brandy, and aside from a very few.. Most of the r15 freeps have quit coming out to the moors because there isn't any reward for the work they've put in.

Another rank.. r16.. would be something for them to come out for again.

An FA Legendary weapon available only to r15's on par or better with crafted FA's that is unique in it's properties (DPS, Passives, Legacy Slots) would at least be something for them to have as a reward for the years it takes to get to r15. (Heck.. even putting lv 100 worthy ones in there would be something)

Re-vamping the cloaks so that they make sense to wear again for their properties?? Come on.. they're still at level 85 ffs. There are vendors at GV with a healthy stock of items that probably haven't been purchased in years because they are obsolete and have been for ages.

I know PvMP has been talked about repeatedly in the forums.. and this will probably just be another in an endless line of threads and posts from PvP players... but the moors has become the graveyard where endgamers go to die and eventually Un-sub.

It's bad enough that A) Server lag has taken the fun out of a large scale fight, reducing what once used to be insane battles with 20 of your friends to a flip book style animation where you watch your skill inductions fail repeatedly and B) Small groups are zerged out of existence quickly by the superior mobility of the creeps.

I get there are other priorities, and I know that the dev's are doing what they can where they can. I appreciate the efforts they have put in trying to keep the game fresh. Please think of the folks that have been with LOTRO for years to achieve the higher ranks and what can be done to give them something for their efforts.

[YesMaam]

It wasn't that long ago that we had our First Creep and Freep R15's on brandy, and aside from a very few.. Most of the r15 freeps have quit coming out to the moors because there isn't any reward for the work they've put in.

Another rank.. r16.. would be something for them to come out for again.

An FA Legendary weapon available only to r15's on par or better with crafted FA's that is unique in it's properties (DPS, Passives, Legacy Slots) would at least be something for them to have as a reward for the years it takes to get to r15. (Heck.. even putting lv 100 worthy ones in there would be something)

Re-vamping the cloaks so that they make sense to wear again for their properties?? Come on.. they're still at level 85 ffs. There are vendors at GV with a healthy stock of items that probably haven't been purchased in years because they are obsolete and have been for ages.

I know PvMP has been talked about repeatedly in the forums.. and this will probably just be another in an endless line of threads and posts from PvP players... but the moors has become the graveyard where endgamers go to die and eventually Un-sub.

It's bad enough that A) Server lag has taken the fun out of a large scale fight, reducing what once used to be insane battles with 20 of your friends to a flip book style animation where you watch your skill inductions fail repeatedly and B) Small groups are zerged out of existence quickly by the superior mobility of the creeps.

I get there are other priorities, and I know that the dev's are doing what they can where they can. I appreciate the efforts they have put in trying to keep the game fresh. Please think of the folks that have been with LOTRO for years to achieve the higher ranks and what can be done to give them something for their efforts.

+ rep (if it still existed) Haha.

AS for the whole rank/kb deed system its already ruined there is no fixing it. I got my KB deed and nearly 100% of my rank 15 before renown boosts or tag counting as kb or slayer deed accelerators. Turbine could have made renown count over the cap instead of 0 or made a new deed instead of sabotaging the original kb deed but they didn't What is done is done and all the effort over the years for veterans was lost in a moment. I'll never ask for anything in the moors because the second its given it will be taken away.

[Gromit1710]

+ rep (if it still existed) Haha.

AS for the whole rank/kb deed system its already ruined there is no fixing it. I got my KB deed and nearly 100% of my rank 15 before renown boosts or tag counting as kb or slayer deed accelerators. Turbine could have made renown count over the cap instead of 0 or made a new deed instead of sabotaging the original kb deed but they didn't What is done is done and all the effort over the years for veterans was lost in a moment. I'll never ask for anything in the moors because the second its given it will be taken away.

Oh hi, Yelk. Thanks for picking me up in a pug group a few years ago when I was a lowly red rank 1 or 2 and never had been in a moors group. I died alot.. and learned alot in those couple of hours. Never forgot that.

[Nimrinoth]

While were on the subject of stuff that needs updated in the moors, can we have some kind of immunity added to non rank 15 brands. It seems silly that the only brand that has immunity attached to it is rank 15. Even if the lower rank brands got 5 seconds of immunity instead of 10 the change would be very welcome.

[Giliodor]

What would be even more welcome, is an overall reduction to creep CC. It's amazing how every single creep except the reaver has a low cd CC skill.

[Nimrinoth]

What would be even more welcome, is an iverall reduction to creep CC. It's amazing how every single creep except the defiler has a low cd CC skill.

I was trying to be realistic. Something like this would require an amount of dev time and balancing that just will never happen in the moors anymore.

[Gromit1710]

Baby steps..

[Snowlock]

It wasn't that long ago that we had our First Creep and Freep R15's on brandy, and aside from a very few.. Most of the r15 freeps have quit coming out to the moors because there isn't any reward for the work they've put in.

Another rank.. r16.. would be something for them to come out for again.

Said it before, will say it again. Ever notice that it's not the R15's that ask for more ranks? There's a reason for that.

Drop the content gates, improve server performance, make the fighting more than mapping into one spot and tab targeting, and players will play without reward. Improve the quality of the fights and we'll fight for the sake of it.

[LorenNell]

@Jinjaah

Viewing the forums I've seen a few sad posts, I believe the turbine didn't left us, but you need to Improve the moors quickly, many may not care, but Ettenmoors keeps many servers alive. When many of us do not want to do pve, we ran to Ettenmoors, and others never leave moors, each person has their playing style, and you should look for that, many servers are suffering of lack of players, it's clear! I'm tired of logging in and leaving my character afk in gv or grams, because nobody is playing, and when no one is playing something we like , something is wrong, please give some love to pvp.

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[Gray]

Jinjaah,

Please be really carefull with the way you're going to implement this PvmP essence armors.


One thing real PvPers don't want is to grind PvE to be able to compete in PvP (which is partly the case right now since some Essence pieces are required for optimal PvP stuff).

Some ideas that could be good would be:

°Making two audacity essences armors (with a passive stat of +X audacity instead of primary stat). The teal one should be bought with comms and have the maximum essence slots per piece. The purple one should be easily avaible and have the same stats but one less essence slot per piece to help newcomers not getting destroyed in PvmP. The passives stats of this armor needs to be really good in PvP, to prevent use of PvE stuff as optimal in moors, and nearly useless in PvE.

If you make audacity essences, then the slotted armor need to be really accessible for PvP players who don't want to PvE, otherwise they'll just won't play freepside.

One other solution for audacity essences is to have a PvP slotted armor like above, but instead of passive +audacity, will have some sort of "PvP only" offensive stat (call it PvP Power, PvP Might/Agi/Will, whatever). This solution won't prevent PvE players to slot audacity on their armor to be able to PvP, and also allow PvP players to stuff themselves through PvP without out-competiting PvE players.

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°Talking about essence now. How do we erase the PvE grind for essence if we have essence armors:
- First solution is to make every essence get scaled to gold level in PvP, that way Players will only have to grind minor essence of their wanted stat for PvP. And it's an easy solution to implement.
- Second solution is to make PvP only essence (PvP mastery, PvP Morale) which provide 0 stats outside of the ettenmoors and are avaiable like the armor system above. Good essences with comms, less good essences with money or Skirm marks.


Obviously, the addition of PvP Jewelry, PvP virtues, PvP legendaries would be more than welcome, but i guess unrealistics since PvP isn't a priority for Turbine.

[harman097]

Instead of making different armor for the PVP. Why not just let us barter for an essence that gives +X to audacity witch commendations or some other . Then we can use one of the slots on the armor or our audacity. I personally have 1-2 pieces of armor that I swap in an out depending on if I am in Tier2 raids versus just PVEing. So for pvp I would do the same thing.

If 5 slot armor is coming out as was mentioned a while ago, loosing 6 slots our of some potential 24+ slots for audacity imo would not be bad option.

This is loosely our plan for integrating essences into pvmp but with some other changes. It seems like a simple change but it does require some time and effort that we just unfortunately could not squeeze into this timeline. But like I said before, we can talk about this in the coming weeks.

-Jinjaah

Let me get this straight...

1) Audacity armor was initially introduced to placate the portion of PvP'ers who didn't want to have to PvE for their PvP gear and provide some sort of reward to work for while PvP'ing.
2) At the time this was introduced, PvP'ers were wearing top PvE sets in the moors. They could potentially wear the same armor for both PvE and PvP and have it be best-in-slot both places.
3) You felt 2 was a problem because it required PvP'ers to do too much PvE'ing for their PvP gear. One set for both PvE and PvP = too much. Ok, fair enough. As someone who liked PvE'ing (at that time) as well as PvP'ing, I liked it that way... but I could see how a lot of people would not.
4) You're now going to make people PvE for a set of essence gear to use in PvP... and this set will be garbage in PvE. So people that do both will need to PvE for 2 sets, and people that just PvP are back to having to PvE for their armor.

To lay it out more clearly:

Pre-Aud: PvE for armor that is equally potent in both PvE and PvP.
Current-Aud: PvP for armor that is very potent in PvP, and not potent in PvE. PvE for your PvE armor.
New-Plan? PvE for armor that is very potent in PvP, and not potent in PvE. PvE for your PvE armor.


What is the point of putting Audacity on gear at this point????

[Jinjaah]

Let me get this straight...

1) Audacity armor was initially introduced to placate the portion of PvP'ers who didn't want to have to PvE for their PvP gear and provide some sort of reward to work for while PvP'ing.
2) At the time this was introduced, PvP'ers were wearing top PvE sets in the moors. They could potentially wear the same armor for both PvE and PvP and have it be best-in-slot both places.
3) You felt 2 was a problem because it required PvP'ers to do too much PvE'ing for their PvP gear. One set for both PvE and PvP = too much. Ok, fair enough. As someone who liked PvE'ing (at that time) as well as PvP'ing, I liked it that way... but I could see how a lot of people would not.
4) You're now going to make people PvE for a set of essence gear to use in PvP... and this set will be garbage in PvE. So people that do both will need to PvE for 2 sets, and people that just PvP are back to having to PvE for their armor.

To lay it out more clearly:

Pre-Aud: PvE for armor that is equally potent in both PvE and PvP.
Current-Aud: PvP for armor that is very potent in PvP, and not potent in PvE. PvE for your PvE armor.
New-Plan? PvE for armor that is very potent in PvP, and not potent in PvE. PvE for your PvE armor.


What is the point of putting Audacity on gear at this point????

A little bit of revisionist history there but I don't think at any point we said we were going to make you pve for essence gear in order to participate in the Ettenmoors. We like how the essence gear is working for players and would like to incorporate it into the Ettenmoors. How and when is something we can talk about once the u15 train leaves the station.

-Jinjaah

[harman097]

A little bit of revisionist history there but I don't think at any point we said we were going to make you pve for essence gear in order to participate in the Ettenmoors. We like how the essence gear is working for players and would like to incorporate it into the Ettenmoors. How and when is something we can talk about once the u15 train leaves the station.

-Jinjaah

Alright, good to know. Thanks for the quick response!

[steelrain79]

Jinjaah,

About the rest of the thread, any word on capping LI's, Cloaks, Jewelery, Rank gated items? Please Update these! Lvl 85 stuff out there does not cut it and there needs to be SOMETHING worth fighting for. Although not many have talked about it in this forum, most if not all I have talked to on Brandywine want this change to take place. Please push for this to happen.

Adding something in the mix for a rank 15 toon would be very kind of you as well. I join Yand all the time out here in the moors, and it continues to amaze me how he is able to do it with ZERO reward for himself other than just battle against the creeps and companionship from friends.

Yellowcab, Rank 12 Hunter, Brandywine

[Jinjaah]

Jinjaah,

About the rest of the thread, any word on capping LI's, Cloaks, Jewelery, Rank gated items? Please Update these! Lvl 85 stuff out there does not cut it and there needs to be SOMETHING worth fighting for. Although not many have talked about it in this forum, most if not all I have talked to on Brandywine want this change to take place. Please push for this to happen.

Adding something in the mix for a rank 15 toon would be very kind of you as well. I join Yand all the time out here in the moors, and it continues to amaze me how he is able to do it with ZERO reward for himself other than just battle against the creeps and companionship from friends.

Yellowcab, Rank 12 Hunter, Brandywine

I completely agree that we need to re-evaluate the rank/rewards of the ettenmoors to provide more incentives for pvp moving forward, its just not something we can squeeze into the u15 timeline. But like I mentioned, we can talk about this once u15 goes out the door for a future update.

-Jinjaah

[Eirika]

Said it before, will say it again. Ever notice that it's not the R15's that ask for more ranks? There's a reason for that.

Drop the content gates, improve server performance, make the fighting more than mapping into one spot and tab targeting, and players will play without reward. Improve the quality of the fights and we'll fight for the sake of it.

Very true Snowlock, very true - those are all excellent points. I would fight for the sheer joy of it were it possible but with the lag and macro-users out there a lot of the joy is subdued. I don't know if they can fix the lag and they won't do anything about the boxers so I am looking to support my comrades in ways that are more easily fixed.

I don't play solely for the rank but it is nice incentive given some of the other frustrations. It will be a long time until I am rank 15 but it doesn't mean I don't support those who are and who have made my game so much better through both mentorship and just plain giving a newbie a chance to play with a real raid group. :-)

Lothhil