What is the Player Council up to?

[Coeprandua]

Can someone of the PC tell what you guys have been up to, in what ways and directions you've tried to influence Turbine in regard to U17?

[Jillymala]

They are under NDA, which means no.. they can't tell us.

[Coeprandua]

They are under NDA, which means no.. they can't tell us.

They can't talk to us at all? That's not what NDA means.

[Jillymala]

They can't talk to us at all? That's not what NDA means.

Anything that is discussed by Turbine with the players council is not to be disseminated unless they are released from the NDA.
They discuss things on their hidden forums about the game and upcoming things, and they can't tell us about it. That's pretty much it.

[Dadislotroguides]

Jilly is correct.

[siipperi]

Probably playing the game like rest of us, well unless they just moan on the forums and actually don't play the game at all.

[Coeprandua]

Probably playing the game like rest of us, well unless they just moan on the forums and actually don't play the game at all.

Pretty much what I'm doing. Playing gw2 and moaning on the lotro forums. XD

[Nymphonic]

Probably playing the game like rest of us, well unless they just moan on the forums and actually don't play the game at all.

Last year that was not too far from the truth. I had such a bad experience last year as far as I'm concerned the player council can go hang.

Not too many things dealing with a game can get me mad but this was one of them.

What goes on with the PC is that someone will bring up an idea, and there will be maybe a few pages of bickering, before the thread dies down.

There's really nothing special going on. Just the same drama and bickering that you see here, just on a smaller scale.

To be fair, that was last year. I have no clue what's going on there now, and to be honest, I don't want to know.

[FyreBrand]

They can't talk to us at all? That's not what NDA means.

That's exactly what it means. Some NDA even mean you can't acknowledge you're part of the project or team. Non-disclosure. Can't disclose information.

@Nymphonic - lol sometimes I just love your posts man. Nail meet hammer!

[Nymphonic]

That's exactly what it means. Some NDA even mean you can't acknowledge you're part of the project or team. Non-disclosure. Can't disclose information.

@Nymphonic - lol sometimes I just love your posts man. Nail meet hammer!

Sometimes I just say it like I see it!

[bucko39]

Pretty much what I'm doing. Playing gw2 and moaning on the lotro forums. XD

For me, FFXIV and moaning on the LOTRO forums

[Leixy]

Nymphonic's 2014-15 PC experience:



This is how disagreements go with other PC members in the PvE council this year:



Pretty polite group overall.

And sometimes Turbine offers up choices to us, but how to choose (esp for pie):

[Xhiu]

They can't talk to us at all? That's not what NDA means.

Non Disclosure Agreement means what the people who 'sign' it make it mean. In beta it means, usually, "I can't tell you a thing until the NDA is lifted." And for lotro it means you can't even say you are in it. I closed beta'd CoH a couple of times, DAoC for 3 expac, EvE before release (groan). I even went so far as to ask Positron (Matt Miller) if it was ok if I beta'd another game wile testing CoH Going Rogue. He shrugged and said something like, ~Go ahead. Our games are not really close to each other. Its not a big deal.
In DAoC we tested things on the live test server. Their test server, Pendragon, is always up and people are encouraged to play there and test stuff that is coming out. When they have closed beta we were testing along side live players. EvE didn't really give a RA. Beta was so buggy that the last thing I said to my beta corps was right before the shut down before live. I said "bye" and hit enter and spent about a minute watching pages and pages of error messages. Every time I hit escape I'd see more. This lasted about 5 minutes. I know I was still in game cuz people were saying bye to me. I'm not really sure what closed beta was supposed to do for them. There was no open beta iirc.

Here, closed beta means you can't even say you are in beta, as I remember. Then again there have been so many open beta's I forget if there were any closed betas recently.

NDA is what two (or more) parties agree not to discuss among parties not included in the NDA. Thats all an NDA is. Soooo...... if someone tells you something under NDA, they probably will have to kill you shortly thereafter.
(is that going to get me arrested?)

[Jillymala]

Nymph's and mine 2014- 2015 council kinda went more like this:



or this:

[Nymphonic]

Jill, I laughed so hard at your post. I'm still laughing as I write this ROFL!!!!

[Beaniemooch]

Nymph's and mine 2014- 2015 council kinda went more like this:



or this:

Ditto. In spades.

[Boraxxe]

I was in the first council.
We had lots of interesting discussions.
Most concerned responding to ideas generated either by the council, or the suggestion forum, or from the Turbine side of things.
And since this game is basically a way for The Company to make money, a lot of the ideas had to do with "How many Turbine Points, or Mithril Coins can we suck out of the players".
I can't really blame them.
They (the Turbine side of the Council) are employees of The Company. And they have to do their jobs.
Which boils down to answering the question: How do we make money with this game?

We got really fired up about some stuff.
But, when push came to shove, if it wasn't going to generate income then it wasn't going to happen.

We tossed around some really cool ideas.
For instance: crafting facilities in housing neighborhoods, or even in your kin house or personal house.
This would be great and I for one was willing to pay a bit of real coin for this.
So were most of my fellow council members.
But, well, you know...market research revealed that it would still cost more than it would generate.

There were lots of other things we tossed around.

Too bad that profit has to be king. But then, without it we would have no game at all I suppose.

Have fun.
Enjoy the game.
Don't sweat the small stuff.

"Forum Man, please listen
You don't know who you're dissin'
Forum Man,
Middle-earth is at your command."

[BangoTwinkletoes]

That's exactly what it means. Some NDA even mean you can't acknowledge you're part of the project or team. Non-disclosure. Can't disclose information.

Not quite true - it all depends on exactly what the details of the specific NDA state and whether there are any exclusions - for example some NDAs even prevent the signatory confirming the existence of an NDA. However I will highlight the following from the original announcement by Turbine:

From time to time, be asked to help draft a report on the council’s activities for publication to the entire community.

source - https://www.lotro.com/en/game/articl...player-council

Perhaps it's time for Turbine to be a little more communicative in this regard.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

Here, closed beta means you can't even say you are in beta, as I remember. Then again there have been so many open beta's I forget if there were any closed betas recently.

The HD "closed" beta was laughable - at the same time as keeping the entire thing under wraps, Sap was dishing out closed beta invites on facebook & twitter like confetti gets thrown at a wedding with the outcome that everyone was able to join "closed" beta who wanted to.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

For me, FFXIV and moaning on the LOTRO forums

Farming Simulator 2015 ftw!!!

[Coeprandua]

Last year that was not too far from the truth. I had such a bad experience last year as far as I'm concerned the player council can go hang.

Not too many things dealing with a game can get me mad but this was one of them.

What goes on with the PC is that someone will bring up an idea, and there will be maybe a few pages of bickering, before the thread dies down.

There's really nothing special going on. Just the same drama and bickering that you see here, just on a smaller scale.

To be fair, that was last year. I have no clue what's going on there now, and to be honest, I don't want to know.

Thanks for the insight! I really only wanted to know what input the PC is giving Turbine on the players' behalf and how it works (out). As far as I know PC members don't have any concrete info on U17 anyway, so referring to the NDA here makes little sense.

[Coeprandua]

For me, FFXIV and moaning on the LOTRO forums

Um... is it any good? GW2 bores me.

[bucko39]

Um... is it any good? GW2 bores me.

LOL, the last time I started raving about FFXIV on here, I felt a bit guilty...being this is a LOTRO forum and all
But yes, it's an extremely polished MMO and it manages to tick all my boxes (unlike LOTRO at the moment).
I really didn't start loving it until I got to around level 15 and the story/world had me hooked.
If I'm not mistaken, Almagnus is playing it as well.

[Nymphonic]

Bucko, you have me really thinking of trying that out. I usually have a "backup" MMO but have been without one for some time now.

[bucko39]

Bucko, you have me really thinking of trying that out. I usually have a "backup" MMO but have been without one for some time now.

I'd give it a go, you can do a 14 day trial period to try it out. By the end of the trial period, I knew whether or not the game was worth the sub (for me, at least).