World Transfers

[sentinel1]

Having the naming policy return for the most part is fine, but there are probably thousands of names taken by players at or around launch of this game by accounts that have been inactive for years including character names that have never actually logged into the game. If those names could be reclaimed, there would be a lot of great names that people could have that would help alleviate the upcoming excess of -1 players after the transfers. The most fair way to do this would be to free up those names after all the transfers complete to allow everyone equal access to them.

From my viewpoint if you created a character and after a year never bothered to login or get out of the intro, that name should be freed up for others to use.

Absolutely correct! There are MANY great names that have never seen 1 second of play time and it's high time they were freed up. Make it a long timespan if you must but even 3 years and older would free up some terrific names. This is the right time to do it Vyvyanne!

[Ellyllon]

I hope they free up names, but honestly, if I were Turbine, I'd do that after all the servers are set, everything running on new hardware, & then I'd free up names in a special event. And - I'd probably charge for it. But I'm mean!

[Vilan]

Let me put it this way. I paid a gross amount of money to transfer my family's accounts to another server. We did this to get away from a certain group of players. Now, the server we transferred to is going to get those people transferring to it for free because their server is going away. I know they are coming to this server because people that I still talk to have confirmed it for me. Awesome!!! That aside, you guys are giving us very limited opportunity to get our stuff together by only allowing for a short window for "Free" transfers. You guys are then going to charge us again!!!

This doesn't even cover it for me. You guys are now going to give certain servers priority over the naming process. Congrats. You just alienated all the servers at the bottom of the list and essentially told them they can go take a long walk off a short pier. Nothing but love for the customer here huh? I am not mad, I am angry. Because it seems to me that no matter how much time or money I have spent on this game, it isn't as good as the next drop of blood you can squeeze from my nearly dead corpse.

Can't you just put the offending players on your ignore list? And if you're on a late transferring server, you can reserve whatever name you want by making a new character on the server you're going to, or if the name is taken make that name on a transferring server and then transfer it over to try to boot out the current owner. Which is exactly the same situation as those who are transferring first.

[Jurny]

I'm sorry if it sounded condescending.... or not compassionate enough. However, I think we do all need to step back a little and realize this is a game we are talking about. A game. Not your own house. Not your retirement funds. Not the school your kids are going to. Just a game. At the end of the day, all your characters are owned by Turbine, not by you, and they have all rights to do whatever they want with them. They could have just forced us to merge on to certain servers without having any choice. They could have not even issued rename credits and just left "Name-1" wherever they may apply without any option to rename. Other games have done that in the past. Lotro has given us a choice at the very least in being able to choose which servers we are going to. Turbine has also documented every step of the way on this forum, often via official announcements on Facebook and Twitter, and in the game launcher. If people chose to ignore all those and not take about 10-15 minutes to do their own research, they may find themselves in a lot more stress than they really needed to be in.

The forum has been the premier spot for information for over 8 years. This hasn't changed. Facebook and Twitter were added over time. But at the end of the day, it is a person's own responsibility to find out the right information. You don't just go and grab the first nozzle from the pump and put it in your car before reading what fuel comes out of it, and what fuel your car actually needs. (Although I have seen people dumb enough to fill up their gasoline car with Diesel...) You don't go upgrade your Windows 7 to Windows 10 without at least Googling at least ONCE what that would mean for your computer. And you don't go into Home Depot to buy tools, without actually knowing what you need your tool to actually DO for you.

I understand people just want to play and "can't be bothered" to read the forums, but this is no different. If you want to know a little, just a LITTLE more... it may take no more than 15 minutes of reading through some forum posts to put you at ease. The Dev Tracker is a handy tool that may help get the job done. If someone would have used the Dev Tracker in the 48 hours the transfers were open, they would have found out immediately these transfers were for testing purposes, and that they would close at 12 PM EST on Friday the 28th.

I'm sorry, but the "I didn't know because I don't read the forums" excuse is 8 years too late.

I'm not quite sure who you are directing this post to, and please don't let my small post count fool you, but I happen to read the forums quite regularly and have for 8+ years. I know all to well, where and how to track down information I may be seeking. I'm also well aware that this is just a game, but to some it is obviously more, which you don't seem to grasp, going by some of your
responses.

You were not only condescending to that other persons post, but it now seems you are including me in this same condescending manner/tone. This whole transfer/migration stuff is very very stressful for some people (probably most) going by the posts that I have read. Maybe you could show more compassion when you type, or better still, let those with the blue names respond, afterall, it isn't your job to do so.

[Kaztiel]

I'm sorry, but the "I didn't know because I don't read the forums" excuse is 8 years too late.

Why, because YOU say so? Not everyone wants to have to track the BS that a company will pull. Some people want to log in and have a company treat them like actual people. But hey, you can sit here and counter every post against all this nonsense all day, and it only touches a fraction of the people that are upset. Hardly anyone uses the forums. Why should we when there is a built in communication feature in the game itself. Or that notifications could be posted on the flippin launcher. And no, I do NOT recall seeing anything about the 2 day test transfer on the launcher. Maybe they need to be clearer in their communications. Perhaps a global notification upon login or a quest pop up that informs the people in game. Something, anything! To expect people to dig through the forums every day to make sure they are up to date on what is happening is just plain nuts. To tell people they are at fault because they didn't search for information they would have never thought to exist, is equally as nuts.

[maartena]

I'm not quite sure who you are directing this post to, and please don't let my small post count fool you, but I happen to read the forums quite regularly and have for 8+ years. I know all to well, where and how to track down information I may be seeking. I'm also well aware that this is just a game, but to some it is obviously more, which you don't seem to grasp, going by some of your
responses.

You were not only condescending to that other persons post, but it now seems you are including me in this same condescending manner/tone. This whole transfer/migration stuff is very very stressful for some people (probably most) going by the posts that I have read. Maybe you could show more compassion when you type, or better still, let those with the blue names respond, afterall, it isn't your job to do so.

My point is: If this migration is causing you stress, then you should be WANTING to seek out information. You should be WANTING to know what is going on, and you would have had around 9 months so far since the first announcement to collect information.

Also: If a game really is causing stress, you are playing the wrong game. A 60 hour work week, having two exchange servers fail in the same weekend (in different countries and time zones) and me having to work for the last 18 hours with around 4 hours of naps in between, THAT is causing me stress. (as I wait for a restore to complete in Bangalore, and awaiting a conference call tonight at 11 PM to follow up with my local team there.) If a move of your digitally created characters from one server to another is actually causing you stress.... well you may call me condescending, you may tell me I don't have compassion, but if a game is causing something "very very stressful", you are obviously doing something wrong.

As to me responding to questions and posts: This is a forum. People try to help and answer questions that others have, and that is one thing I have been doing here for quite some time. Some of it might be useful, some of it might not be, and then on a few occasions.... but only a few... it gets labeled as condescending. As much as they want to, the "blue names" don't have the time to respond to everything, and they primarily respond during office hours in EST time. So I would hope that players trying to help our other players with answers is appreciated.

I stand by my opinion, and if you consider it to be condescending or not compassionate, so be it. I'm glad I get to relieve some stress by playing this game.... and it is not causing me to be "very very stressful".

[maartena]

Why, because YOU say so? Not everyone wants to have to track the BS that a company will pull. Some people want to log in and have a company treat them like actual people. But hey, you can sit here and counter every post against all this nonsense all day, and it only touches a fraction of the people that are upset. Hardly anyone uses the forums. Why should we when there is a built in communication feature in the game itself. Or that notifications could be posted on the flippin launcher. And no, I do NOT recall seeing anything about the 2 day test transfer on the launcher. Maybe they need to be clearer in their communications. Perhaps a global notification upon login or a quest pop up that informs the people in game. Something, anything! To expect people to dig through the forums every day to make sure they are up to date on what is happening is just plain nuts. To tell people they are at fault because they didn't search for information they would have never thought to exist, is equally as nuts.

Its been this way for pretty much the full 8 years of this game. Why do you think it changes now? It's actually gotten better, as they have added official announcements to facebook and twitter. Some of these official announcements have ACTUALLY stated to check the forums for the latest information, including links to the forum.

"Please watch the website, forums, and launcher for announcements regarding timing." - that is what has been stated in the official announcement. And that doesn't mean you can simply ignore the forums if you don't find information on the website (which also links back to the forum in several articles) or inside the launcher. The launcher currently displays a link to the forums, and it has displayed links to the forum announcements in the past. It is, however, not a "static" set of information that can be used for historical purposes. For that, the website and in particular the forums are much better suited.

The main reason many people don't use the forum, is simply because they can't be bothered. They just want to launch the game and play the game, and be presented all information on a silver platter. Turbine has been providing all the relevant information, but if you really want to know the details, i'm sorry, but you are going to have to do some of the work yourself.

Those that are here responding to this, did finally realize that.

[Kaztiel]

Its been this way for pretty much the full 8 years of this game. Why do you think it changes now? It's actually gotten better, as they have added official announcements to facebook and twitter. Some of these official announcements have ACTUALLY stated to check the forums for the latest information, including links to the forum.

"Please watch the website, forums, and launcher for announcements regarding timing." - that is what has been stated in the official announcement. And that doesn't mean you can simply ignore the forums if you don't find information on the website (which also links back to the forum in several articles) or inside the launcher. The launcher currently displays a link to the forums, and it has displayed links to the forum announcements in the past. It is, however, not a "static" set of information that can be used for historical purposes. For that, the website and in particular the forums are much better suited.

The main reason many people don't use the forum, is simply because they can't be bothered. They just want to launch the game and play the game, and be presented all information on a silver platter. Turbine has been providing all the relevant information, but if you really want to know the details, i'm sorry, but you are going to have to do some of the work yourself.

Those that are here responding to this, did finally realize that.

That is just ridiculous. All of it. I am not even going to waste my time, the koolaid is just too sweet.

[Christian.S]

My point is: If this migration is causing you stress, then you should be WANTING to seek out information. You should be WANTING to know what is going on, and you would have had around 9 months so far since the first announcement to collect information.

Also: If a game really is causing stress, you are playing the wrong game. A 60 hour work week, having two exchange servers fail in the same weekend (in different countries and time zones) and me having to work for the last 18 hours with around 4 hours of naps in between, THAT is causing me stress. (as I wait for a restore to complete in Bangalore, and awaiting a conference call tonight at 11 PM to follow up with my local team there.) If a move of your digitally created characters from one server to another is actually causing you stress.... well you may call me condescending, you may tell me I don't have compassion, but if a game is causing something "very very stressful", you are obviously doing something wrong.

As to me responding to questions and posts: This is a forum. People try to help and answer questions that others have, and that is one thing I have been doing here for quite some time. Some of it might be useful, some of it might not be, and then on a few occasions.... but only a few... it gets labeled as condescending. As much as they want to, the "blue names" don't have the time to respond to everything, and they primarily respond during office hours in EST time. So I would hope that players trying to help our other players with answers is appreciated.

I stand by my opinion, and if you consider it to be condescending or not compassionate, so be it. I'm glad I get to relieve some stress by playing this game.... and it is not causing me to be "very very stressful".

You made your point. 73 pages? Really! I mean this in the nicest way possible. Find something else to do rather than clutter this thread. Other players just might want to read this and not take 20 years to get through it. How can anyone on these forums claim to offer help to the community when they clutter them up with fluff and bickering about such insignificance? 90% of the players don't have a clue what the EP post here since its buried.

[maartena]

You made your point. 73 pages? Really! I mean this in the nicest way possible. Find something else to do rather than clutter this thread. Other players just might want to read this and not take 20 years to get through it. How can anyone on these forums claim to offer help to the community when they clutter them up with fluff and bickering about such insignificance? 90% of the players don't have a clue what the EP post here since its buried.

That is why we have the big Dev Tracker button on top, it helps you navigate between the #### that I put up ( ) and the posts from officials. I use it all the time to find posts from Frelorn and Vyvyanne.

[maartena]

That is just ridiculous. All of it. I am not even going to waste my time, the koolaid is just too sweet.

No, it really isn't ridiculous. Over the years, Turbine has vastly improved on communication. It started with JUST the forum and website. Over time, they added facebook and twitter to communicate to users as well. Communication frequency has improved, the amount of information has vastly improved, the quarterly producers letters are a wealth of information and are telling us what is going to come. Turbine personnel has increasingly become more communicative, and they have been listening to players a lot more then they used to.

But.... you HAVE to look a little beyond just the launcher. There is only so much information they can stuff in that little window, and they don't put everything that is relevant in that little window. They have put the world transfer announcements in there however, in which it has stated that (among others) you should check the forum and website for the latest information. And that's exactly what they have done, they have responded here with the latest information, and they have responded frequently.

I'm sorry it isn't the "silver platter" you wanted, but it wouldn't have taken much effort to find all the information you needed.

[Beaniemooch]

No, it really isn't ridiculous. Over the years, Turbine has vastly improved on communication. It started with JUST the forum and website. Over time, they added facebook and twitter to communicate to users as well. Communication frequency has improved, the amount of information has vastly improved, the quarterly producers letters are a wealth of information and are telling us what is going to come. Turbine personnel has increasingly become more communicative, and they have been listening to players a lot more then they used to.

But.... you HAVE to look a little beyond just the launcher. There is only so much information they can stuff in that little window, and they don't put everything that is relevant in that little window. They have put the world transfer announcements in there however, in which it has stated that (among others) you should check the forum and website for the latest information. And that's exactly what they have done, they have responded here with the latest information, and they have responded frequently.

I'm sorry it isn't the "silver platter" you wanted, but it wouldn't have taken much effort to find all the information you needed.

It is ridiculous, just like it's ridiculous you seem determined to answer all questions as if you are part of Turbine. I prefer to have blue names reply, or quote their replies, otherwise it's just opinion.

Nobody HAS to look beyond the launcher. There are multitudes of players who never come here, and wouldn't know what a dev tracker was if they did. Not everybody is like you nor should they have to be. So for you to blame players because they don't research like you think they should is arrogant and offensive. Perhaps its time to admit you're just stroking your own ego by trying to be 'important'. Til you work for Turbine your opinion is just that--opinion. You don't have a lock on truth or fact or what the average player should do. Its time I put you on ignore and shorten this thread by about half.

[Ondopher555]

It is ridiculous, just like it's ridiculous you seem determined to answer all questions as if you are part of Turbine. I prefer to have blue names reply, or quote their replies, otherwise it's just opinion.

Nobody HAS to look beyond the launcher. There are multitudes of players who never come here, and wouldn't know what a dev tracker was if they did. Not everybody is like you nor should they have to be. So for you to blame players because they don't research like you think they should is arrogant and offensive. Perhaps its time to admit you're just stroking your own ego by trying to be 'important'. Til you work for Turbine your opinion is just that--opinion. You don't have a lock on truth or fact or what the average player should do. Its time I put you on ignore and shorten this thread by about half.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Beaniemooch.

@marteena, the 'silver platter' comment was a little excessive, and wasn't really needed. Keep in mind that most people still pay for this game, in form or other, and/or are still loyal to it. If Turbine really wants to keep their subscribers and players, they really have to hand stuff in silver platters at this stage of the game, because they're taking away worlds/communities people have invested 8 years in. I'm not personally affected by it, but I've seen many that are, so don't make it all about yourself (by saying 'its ok, people should search, and presuming turbine's answers'), start thinking from a broader aspect, or just move on and let Turbine answer.

- On topic, I really feel they could've handled the naming policy better, 3-month policy from SWOTR looks pretty good.

[MasterOfNothing]

On topic, I really feel they could've handled the naming policy better, 3-month policy from SWOTR looks pretty good.

I also think that an automatic freeing of names of characters that have not been logged for a long time is a very good idea.
Maybe 3 months is a bit short, but if someone has not logged in for 1 or 2 years, I do not see any reason why the name should be blocked until eternity

EDIT: Problem with this scheme could be, that the system might be set up in such a way, that you can only change a name during log-in. In such a case it would be understandable, why this has not been implemented

[botoo]

@maartena, are you just trolling or is your view so colored that you think Turbine is godlike?

I assume your answer will be no/no but is sure looks that way.

*thumbs up* Beaniemooch on reply

[HairyKrishna]

I respect marteenas opinion most of the time. Don't agree with it, but I can accept it. The problem arises when people like marteena make up great part of all active posts on the forum. It gives turbine a slanted view of what is actually going on with the people playing the game, but also gives turbine the opportunity to ignore certain problems because some people "see nothing wrong" with "anything" they are doing. People like that, dubbed fanboys by many, are doing this game a disservice by taking the heat for turbine.

The transfers have been a mess. They have been delayed again and again, information has been spread, and it has been few and far in between. I am sorry, but being a forum detective, as much as you may enjoy it, isn't how most people playing this game want to use their free time. It should NOT be the requirement to have any idea of what is happening with this game. People's characters and communities are at stake here.

Turbine is under a lot of stress, like any other company out there maintaining and developing an MMO, it shouldn't be used as an excuse. Information flow has been better recently, especially compared to recent teams, but it is still very poor compared to other MMOs out there. And I am sorry but being primarily an MMO player and secondarily a LOTR fan, I have to make this comparison.

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but only if you listen to the right people. There are way too many yes-men around, and sometimes it seems they are the only ones getting attention from Turbine.

[Kaztiel]

You don't have a lock on truth or fact or what the average player should do. Its time I put you on ignore and shorten this thread by about half.

Wait wait wait... You mean if I put her on ignore her previous posts disappear and this thread gets that much shorter??!?!?! Hallelujah! You are awesome!

[maartena]

Nobody HAS to look beyond the launcher.

The launcher links to both the forums and the website all the time. The official announcements were in the launcher (and the announcement pointed to the forums for further information.). All patch notes are links to the forum. There have been plenty of other announcements made in the past that linked to the forums. (For instance, the Bingo Boffin adventures). During this whole transfers thing, the website has actually SAID you should check the forums for the latest information on the transfers.

I will agree with you that the announcement of 48 hours of testing, probably should have been better presented in the launcher, as the announcement that WAS in there only pointed to the forum patch notes, and not to Vyvyanne's post that this was a testing phase and how it was going to be handled. But as a player of this game you also have to take SOME responsibility. You are NOT lemmings that just press play every day and hope that doesn't make you walk off the cliff behind everyone else that pressed play. Sometimes you have to wonder.... Hey, a transfer button. I wonder if the transfers have officially opened. Before I do anything, lets find out! To me, that is common sense.

If your characters, names, and kinship names are important to you, you would have at least visited the website and/or forums to see if there is any news, and what that all means. If you didn't and just started transferring blindly without taking ANY responsibility for what that might do to your characters, you are just as much at fault for not trying to find out more information as Turbine is for not putting all that information inside the launcher window. I'm sorry if that comes across as condescending, and I apologize if anyone's feelings have gotten hurt over this.

But I stand by my opinion: Take some responsibility and do the research, don't expect Turbine to do it all for you.

[Kaztiel]

There is still a lot of room for improvement, but only if you listen to the right people. There are way too many yes-men around, and sometimes it seems they are the only ones getting attention from Turbine.

Thumbs up man. I only quoted a part to save space, but I agree with the whole thing. Gaming communities are being destroyed here and we are not getting enough time to get it right. We could end up playing on various servers from people we played years with. This should have been open from August with free transfers right until October. Period.

One thing they have to really consider is that, by opening the transfer for 2 days only they caused more people than would have normally, to transfer in a small window. If the window was bigger, people wouldn't have rushed and it wouldn't have been such a huge strain on their system or resources. It's like the flippin Titanic. We are sinking and you say get to the life boats. Do you want to be the last guy? People end up trampling each other and what you end up with is a mess. They need to just open it up and give everyone a number as they make their transfer request. Handle them as you can at your pace, but this way it truly is first come first served and no one can really be all that upset. On top of that, the biggest and most important thing across the board.... COMMUNICATE! Do it in a manner that most players will see it. In game mail, chat broadcasts, pop up on our game screen when we log in. It's not gd rocket science.

[maartena]

@maartena, are you just trolling or is your view so colored that you think Turbine is godlike?

If you have seen many of my other post, you would know that is not the case. But I do believe in the concept of personal responsibility, and not taking everything for granted. It is BECAUSE Turbine isn't godlike, and it is BECAUSE they have not given all information in the past I believe you should take your own responsibility and do your own research. I may be a minority in this concept, but I don't take things for granted, and when I see a transfer button without a clear announcement in the launcher.... my brain does NOT say: "Ooooh a shiny new tranfer button, lets push it!" , no, it says "A transfer button. Lets find out what it does first.".

[HairyKrishna]

If you have seen many of my other post, you would know that is not the case. But I do believe in the concept of personal responsibility, and not taking everything for granted. It is BECAUSE Turbine isn't godlike, and it is BECAUSE they have not given all information in the past I believe you should take your own responsibility and do your own research. I may be a minority in this concept, but I don't take things for granted, and when I see a transfer button without a clear announcement in the launcher.... my brain does NOT say: "Ooooh a shiny new tranfer button, lets push it!" , no, it says "A transfer button. Lets find out what it does first.".

Do you not see the problem in this approach? To KNOW that Turbine "isn't godlike" and hasn't given us enough information in the past, you literally HAVE to be a forum detective, like yourself. I am sure if everyone was properly traumatized by Turbine the way you and I have been, there wouldn't be as much confusion, but alot of people have lived the protected life far away from the forums.

Basically, people who do not want to spend their day forumquesting have only their-selves to blame, right? That is your elitist forum attitude. You are totally ignoring there are hundreds of people playing LotRO who have never stepped foot on this forum or don't frequent it unless their service is interrupted, don't know the first thing about (to you) obvious resources like the Dev Tracker and rely on the information provided to them in-game, in Emails and on the Patcher. And those 3 sources of information are not being used properly/sufficiently by Turbine, and they even contradict themselves at times. It all seems sporadic and without any direction. I wish they would get their act together and make the whole process (not just transfers, but development and updates in general) more transparent for the regular folk that do not want to forumquest.

But keep telling them everything is just fine and there is nothing to worry about, that'll change things for the better!

[Marancil]

We, well most of us, agree that the information could be handed out in a better way, but to accuse Maartena of answering too many questions or posting too much information is not really the way out of it, it just spurs more discussion about new topics that is not really relevant for this thread.

Had the posted information been wrong or irrelevant, well then Maartena is a huge spammer, now that is not the case and no one can accuse Maartena of that.

Move on, please.

[Meihan2]

Well said Marancil

[Silmelin]

I don't really see, why changing the policy after "the transfer period" should be fairer?
If you do not even log in once into your character for over a year, why would it be fairer to have precedence over a player who wants to play his toon just now?
I would think that if someone is really concerned having his character's "name snapped away" from an incoming toon from one of the closed servers,
it should not be that hard an effort to log into that character once a year.

It still wouldn't be more fair to let someone who wants to play their character now take the name of a character belonging to an active player. The new person might very well just play for a few hours and then decide that LOTRO isn't for them, and then the name will be stuck on a character belonging to someone who has uninstalled LOTRO forever, while the active player will get back to all his/her characters sooner or later and will want to keep the names he/she spent a long time researching and choosing.

And how big an effort it would be to log in on ones characters once a year depends on how many characters you have. Some prefer to have only 1-5 characters, but some of us prefer to have 40+. My health isn't very good which means that I have a lot of time alone in my home, and I use a lot of that time playing LOTRO because then I can have fun with awesome people and "go out" into a beautiful world even though my health is the way it is.

It would probably take me perhaps 3 full days to log in on all my main characters (I haven't got time to play any alts), and it would be something I would spend the rest of the year dreading. I can't imagine anything more boring.
Worst would be the fact that I can never know which characters are safe. Any new character I make MIGHT have a twin hidden on a closed server and at any time this character might come back There will be no way for me to check after the servers have been closed so I can choose a name that no one has used on any server.

(The stuff below is not directed at you, MasterOfNothing I just didn't know where else to put it )



And to those who can't understand how I feel: We are all different. What's important to you, might mean nothing to me. What's important to me, might mean nothing to you. There's nothing wrong with being different, but there's everything wrong with demanding that others feel like you.
I've had people taunt me for having so many characters since that in their eyes mean that I "have no life", as they say. While I'm sure it's lots of fun working and meeting many people IRL everyday, since that isn't something I can do because of my bad health, I'd rather spend all those many many hours each day in a digital world having fun with people I can't see, instead of sitting completely alone without anyone to talk to at all The sun might be shining outside but what good is that to me when I can't go out? In LOTRO I can go fishing under the bright sun, and get chased by goblins under the starfilled sky at any time I want to

I disagree with this. The naming policy should return to what it was,say 90 days after the consolidation is completed. There are numerous reasons why a person might not play in any one given year. Players name's weren't going any where before consolidation. If for some reason,I go one year without LotRo game time in to log on later and find my name taken,well... see ya LotRo. Changing the naming policy during consolidation had to happen. There is no need to keep it permanently.

This is how I feel as well. And I also hope to get information from Turbine about what they will do with the naming when the transfers are over. It's very very stressful to not be able to plan and prepare, and I can't plan ahead when I don't have enough information.

[Jurny]

We, well most of us, agree that the information could be handed out in a better way, but to accuse Maartena of answering too many questions or posting too much information is not really the way out of it, it just spurs more discussion about new topics that is not really relevant for this thread.

Had the posted information been wrong or irrelevant, well then Maartena is a huge spammer, now that is not the case and no one can accuse Maartena of that.

Move on, please.

You obviously see no wrong in the manner in which maartena is answering those questions, well good for you then. I have an issue with people having major concerns and or questions and then seeing some 1 else respond to thier concerns in a condescending manner to be not only rude, but uncalled for.