New Potential VIP Perks

[Cardal]

Bump again. I will continue to bump this thread over and over.

[Thaelon]

Bump again. I will continue to bump this thread over and over.

Yet you avoid the last reply to it? Why would people want to reply to this thread when they don't even get a response?

[Cardal]

Yet you avoid the last reply to it? Why would people want to reply to this thread when they don't even get a response?

I'd rather keep the thread focused on what its intended to be focus on

But I do agree that new raids would be nice. Bump

[Ksenija]

1. A Double XP buff that we can toggle on and off. Basically it will double quest/kill xp as long as it is active. Constant blue bar xp works as well.

I agree with this. Make it a choice. Then those that don't want to level too fast can turn it off while others can use it as much as they like. While this would compete with the +100% xp tome from store it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that nobody would buy that xp tome anymore. It just gives another option for people.

2. Double Deed buff. Same thing as the xp buff, but applies to the deeds.

Yes, this would be useful to have. Don't even start on "store sells it too, and sales will drop" here. People that buy this from store have too much TP anyway and are most likely lifetime VIP.

3. A summon skill. Similar to the captain summon skill, but for any toon. Possibly put a cd on it.

Yes but with cd like 10 min. That way you can use it but can't spam it like cappy.

4. Reduce the Milestone Cool down to 5 minutes or less. Preferably no CD.

Can be bought from store now but another option for already paying customers is not bad.

5. Increase the amount of TP gained monthly to 700 or more.

This is also good, the more TP VIPs get per month the less sense it makes to farm TP with deeds. Some people will still farm it, but we can't avoid that. What is sure that it would decrease deed TP farming.

6. Crafting inductions/xp buff. Lower those inductions!

While there is a scroll or whatever it is on the store the cost is ridiculous for just one minute of duration. The reduction doesn't have to be too much. Down to 50% would be very nice but not too much and those that want to go even faster can then buy the scroll from store.

7. Infinite Skirmish Soldier summon time.

This is more like a pet option since they are mostly useless



My suggestions:
- personal vault anywhere, maybe even AH
- try before you buy for all cosmetic stuff: you can rent the cosmetic item for 5 minutes so you see how it looks a then you decide to buy it or not
- TP back guarantee: you bought something by accident or you changed your mind for some reason, you can return it to the store for you TP back within 1 hour of buying the item (only works for cosmetic items and non consumables)
- special wallet for crafting stuff - it can be like a wallet is now or like and extra inventory bag that will only accept crafting items, 15 to 30 slots is more than enough
- alternative armor/weapon set in character screen, can be toggled with a button and also there is a keyboard shortcut
- able to use any 1h melee weapon as cosmetic for any 1h weapon (spear not included), same for 2h (RK stones not available), same for bows and crossbows
- can use 10 free "teleport to quest" per day, able to buy more as now
- can have a max od 30 tasks a day while VIP is active (15 is max now), need to buy the extra slots with TP/MC

[Xhiu]

Yes, this would be useful to have. Don't even start on "store sells it too, and sales will drop" here. People that buy this from store have too much TP anyway and are most likely lifetime VIP.

And you know how many tp I have because... you aren't a lifer? Someone gave you a magic 8 ball? I have too much TP on BR. Why not just let VIP open the tavern instance so they don't really have to play. There are a lot of us who don't need xp on the toons we play the most (level 100, thanks for letting the level 100's have something) don't need this so why the bleep would we pay TP on it? If we are leveling a toon we are probably not using blue bar, or in the very least, just using it wisely and not paying for it.

Not YOU or anyone else needs to level faster. [sic]
Ok, if you are on your death bed and have about 6 months to live and really want to get 5 slotted armor, maybe.

This is more like a pet option since they are mostly useless

Ok, lemme jump on the bandwagon of the traveling ASSumption. You don't know how to use your soldier effectively, do you?

My suggestions:
- personal vault anywhere, maybe even AH
- try before you buy for all cosmetic stuff: you can rent the cosmetic item for 5 minutes so you see how it looks a then you decide to buy it or not
- TP back guarantee: you bought something by accident or you changed your mind for some reason, you can return it to the store for you TP back within 1 hour of buying the item (only works for cosmetic items and non consumables)
- special wallet for crafting stuff - it can be like a wallet is now or like and extra inventory bag that will only accept crafting items, 15 to 30 slots is more than enough
- alternative armor/weapon set in character screen, can be toggled with a button and also there is a keyboard shortcut
- able to use any 1h melee weapon as cosmetic for any 1h weapon (spear not included), same for 2h (RK stones not available), same for bows and crossbows
- can use 10 free "teleport to quest" per day, able to buy more as now
- can have a max od 30 tasks a day while VIP is active (15 is max now), need to buy the extra slots with TP/MC

• You can mail stuff anywhere as it is. Create a mule in front of your vault and mail stuff to the mule. There are already purchases in the store that will accomodate sell/repair and forge/relicmaster
• Why do you need to rent something. We already have a dressing room. If thats not working, /bug it.
• I'll bite. I buy the horse color pack and decide I don't want it anymore. I get my tp back, meanwhile my barding is still evendim blue. Those colors are cosmetic and not consumable.
• IF they did make a crafting wallet, or what I like to call "Pantry" they would most likely sell the service, like the expanded wallet, in the store. Makes no sense to give it to vip's when it seems to me to be a resource hog in the making, or it would have already been done. IMHO - NGH
• Not seeing the point. You can already do this for cosmetics. For real armor, that would be nice but then you would need separate toggles for different weapon set ups that do not work for armor and jewelry. Why? because you'd still have to do weapons separately if you want to change in combat, which quite a few people already do. I believe there are plugins for this as well.
• Dunno what to say other than some of this may already be in the works. I think the first implementation was dipping a toe in the water. Who knows? And if that is already in the works it will be granted to all players no matter of the account status, just as it is now.
• I'd go for that. Would save me a ton on mithril coin as I only do about 5 - 10 portable quests a day on any one toon.
• Not sure I get this. If I have a max of 15 I can get 15 more for free or I have to buy the 15?

I'm not seeing a lot of things that offer perkz to all or even most vip. If i have a bonus to xp as long as I am vip I'll just be getting my toons to 100 way too fast. Even the ones I have knocking o the door, a level 82 LM and a level 70 champ, have leveled too fast. I skipped most of moria, all of Enedwaith, all but Bonevales and Trum Dreng on the Champ. I'm about to go to Rohan for a horse and I really don't need to do The Great River to get there. I'm not sure how they got that level at all. The last level on the champ I remember actively working was 62. The LM... 75? You wanna give me something? Automatic resets on all dailies above level 95. (not counting bb) Or how about Bring an Alt to Lunch deed. I tag an alt within 15 levels and when I do slayer deeds (if they are the right level) give them the same deed. If I get discovery poi, give that to my deed partner. I can already do that with my taxi alt box'd. Lets make it official and give fewer people reason to complain about cheating boxers. *mutter* Just to make it fair, since I only killed one mob for 2 people I only get tp for the guy actually getting kills. And if he/she/it already has the deed done, no tp. :P Or lemme tag 2 or 3 of my alts for the same thing. No tp except for the toon doing the killing/exploring. They are already getting crafting mats and task items. Give'm the credit for the deed too. We're out in the middle of nowhere. Who's really gonna know who slayed all those goats!?!

I'd settle for a title

• Founder: First Among the Heroes of Middle Earth
• or : Settler of Moria
• Generic lifer: Eriador Support System
• or : Wizened of the Second Age(?)
• VIP: He (She) Is Still Here
• or : Boon to the Free Peoples

I like the last one. VIP's go away once you stop subscribing of course.

[Cardal]

bonus xp hate

The bonus xp would be a toggle buff, so if you dont want to use it you dont have to. Like i said in my suggestion. I realize that not everyone wants to get to cap fast. I, however, dislike leveling in lotro with a passion. I prefer to spend my game time raiding, pvp, or doing general level cap activities.

[Ksenija]

And you know how many tp I have because... you aren't a lifer? Someone gave you a magic 8 ball? I have too much TP on BR. Why not just let VIP open the tavern instance so they don't really have to play. There are a lot of us who don't need xp on the toons we play the most (level 100, thanks for letting the level 100's have something) don't need this so why the bleep would we pay TP on it? If we are leveling a toon we are probably not using blue bar, or in the very least, just using it wisely and not paying for it. .

If you have a lifetime sub I'm guessing you have plenty of TP by now, or all cosmetic you can get . No, I don't have a life time sub. I'm a premium but with perks i suggested I would probably get VIP. Now the only perk for me is the mail anywhere and that is just not enough to pay for VIP. Lol, don't exaggerate, I didn't say to make VIP's that OP.

If we are leveling a toon we are probably not using blue bar, or in the very least, just using it wisely and not paying for it.

I said people with too much TP buy deed tomes that you can get on AH for few gold so buying it with TP is a waste.

Not YOU or anyone else needs to level faster. [sic]
Ok, if you are on your death bed and have about 6 months to live and really want to get 5 slotted armor, maybe.

Yes, nobody needs the XP buff. That is not the point, the point is that it would be another benefit of VIP and probably the most valuable one. I know I would buy VIP if it had permanent blue bar for double XP and I was leveling another toon. Why are some people so against bonus xp? Are you mad because I would reach lvl 100 before you did? Why does it even matter who get's the 1st lvl 100.

Ok, lemme jump on the bandwagon of the traveling ASSumption. You don't know how to use your soldier effectively, do you?

If your soldier is that much help to you in skirms then your toon must be weak.

• You can mail stuff anywhere as it is. Create a mule in front of your vault and mail stuff to the mule. There are already purchases in the store that will accomodate sell/repair and forge/relicmaster
• Why do you need to rent something. We already have a dressing room. If thats not working, /bug it.
• I'll bite. I buy the horse color pack and decide I don't want it anymore. I get my tp back, meanwhile my barding is still evendim blue. Those colors are cosmetic and not consumable.
• IF they did make a crafting wallet, or what I like to call "Pantry" they would most likely sell the service, like the expanded wallet, in the store. Makes no sense to give it to vip's when it seems to me to be a resource hog in the making, or it would have already been done. IMHO - NGH
• Not seeing the point. You can already do this for cosmetics. For real armor, that would be nice but then you would need separate toggles for different weapon set ups that do not work for armor and jewelry. Why? because you'd still have to do weapons separately if you want to change in combat, which quite a few people already do. I believe there are plugins for this as well.
• Dunno what to say other than some of this may already be in the works. I think the first implementation was dipping a toe in the water. Who knows? And if that is already in the works it will be granted to all players no matter of the account status, just as it is now.
• I'd go for that. Would save me a ton on mithril coin as I only do about 5 - 10 portable quests a day on any one toon.
• Not sure I get this. If I have a max of 15 I can get 15 more for free or I have to buy the 15?

- Sure, you can do it another way like you suggested. But that is not the point. Turbine could also add a need to solve a math equation when you want to use the mail. So it's not too easy to use the mail.
The point it to make it easier and add more value to VIP but not make f2p players feel like buying VIP is a must.
- is there a dressing room for horses? Can i try to ride one and try out steed cosmetic on it?
- hehe, gratz, you found a small bug in my 1st suggestion
- for now it might be too much for the server but we are getting new hardware....
- ofc for real armor. it would make switching weapons and gear easier and done with one button. You can do it by just clicking items in your inventory but gl with rings, earrings and bracelets . And yes, armor and weapon need to have a separate toggle since we can change weapons in combat but not armor.
- Yeah, I'm sure they are working on it. Might take a while before it's ready tho
- 15 is the limit now, you can reset them but can't have more than 15. VIP would give you a max of 30 you would just need to unlock them like you unlocked the ones from 6 to 15. When you unlock them you have them unless you drop VIP, then you drop to 15 again. Buying VIP again would get you back to 30.

I'm not seeing a lot of things that offer perkz to all or even most vip. If i have a bonus to xp as long as I am vip I'll just be getting my toons to 100 way too fast. Even the ones I have knocking o the door, a level 82 LM and a level 70 champ, have leveled too fast. I skipped most of moria, all of Enedwaith, all but Bonevales and Trum Dreng on the Champ. I'm about to go to Rohan for a horse and I really don't need to do The Great River to get there. I'm not sure how they got that level at all. The last level on the champ I remember actively working was 62. The LM... 75? You wanna give me something? Automatic resets on all dailies above level 95. (not counting bb) Or how about Bring an Alt to Lunch deed. I tag an alt within 15 levels and when I do slayer deeds (if they are the right level) give them the same deed. If I get discovery poi, give that to my deed partner. I can already do that with my taxi alt box'd. Lets make it official and give fewer people reason to complain about cheating boxers. *mutter* Just to make it fair, since I only killed one mob for 2 people I only get tp for the guy actually getting kills. And if he/she/it already has the deed done, no tp. :P Or lemme tag 2 or 3 of my alts for the same thing. No tp except for the toon doing the killing/exploring. They are already getting crafting mats and task items. Give'm the credit for the deed too. We're out in the middle of nowhere. Who's really gonna know who slayed all those goats!?!

If you hate leveling fast so much why don't you get Stone of the Tortoise to stop all XP. Then once your level is high, you start using it and don't overlevel. Once you get to a higher level area start leveling again. Can you do that and stop hating on people that want to use xp boost?

[Sito_Origami]

Cutting out time sinks you don't like to get to do more of what you do like is why I like these, at times. There are times when I don't want to cut out some of the time sinks. It isn't always about 'blowing through' content faster. It is about reducing perceived wasted time.

Playing videogames is the very definition of wasting time...

[Cardal]

Playing videogames is the very definition of wasting time...

Progression is never wasting time.

[LethalLethality]

Being able to toggle the VIP exp boost off would be enough for me to resub. I hate how fast you level in this game and the VIP exp buff doesn't help. And no, I'm not buying a stone of the tortoise for 20+ characters.

[Mercho]

They could make the gold hobbit presents better or just hand them out daily. They could also increase mount speed.

[ainor]

As VIP currently stands, there are really no decent VIP perks. Sure destiny points #lol, ettenmoors sure. Here are some suggestions for Turbine to ignore which may help boost the number of VIP subscriptions. Please feel free to add your own ideas, and hopefully Turbine will implement some of these.

1. A Double XP buff that we can toggle on and off. Basically it will double quest/kill xp as long as it is active. Constant blue bar xp works as well.

2. Double Deed buff. Same thing as the xp buff, but applies to the deeds.

3. A summon skill. Similar to the captain summon skill, but for any toon. Possibly put a cd on it.

4. Reduce the Milestone Cool down to 5 minutes or less. Preferably no CD.

5. Increase the amount of TP gained monthly to 700 or more.

6. Crafting inductions/xp buff. Lower those inductions!

7. Infinite Skirmish Soldier summon time.

However, for these buffs to increase VIP numbers, they must be kept exclusively to VIP only. Sorry premium/f2p.

I know that we have cool stuff already like a snazzy VIP Portrait frame, but I feel that if Turbine makes VIP actually worth having, more people would be all over it.

I agree 100% that Turbine should add some more VIP bonuses that is actually worth having! Even though some VIP features are nice, things like hobbit presents and a VIP portrait frame are absolutely ridiculous. Also remember that not everyone plays PvMP so that one is completely useless for some people. For me and many others, it gives zero (0) incentive to become VIP. (edit) On top of that you will keep several of the VIP features even if you cancel your sub after only one month. These features are also some of the best or most wanted. (Example: Gold cap, inventory, traits) With all the above taken into account, VIP's really need a boost!

And for the argument that Turbine would loose money from adding more benefits for VIP's or adding things that would compete with store items, I don't agree at all. I strongly believe that it is very important for turbine to get more people to become VIP. If they add some more benefits for VIP's a lot of new people would subscribe (and a lot of VIP's would also stay as VIP's). This means a stable income for Turbine. Like Arnenna said, it's a no brainer.

I like the idea with an XP buff and especially the ability to turn it on or off. This would give people more options to play the game as they want. Another option would be to keep the XP buff as it is but add a function to turn it on or off for VIP's. VIP's should NOT have to buy a stone from the store to do this! I also like the Idea to have better milestones when being VIP, but the suggestion with 5min cool down might be a bit too good I also think some of the things the OP suggests are not really needed. (Like; 2, 3, 6 and 7).

What I would like to be added to the VIP benefits, in order of importance:

(Please note, non of this would stay if you cancel your VIP!)

- All three class Specializations in the trait tree unlocked. (The classes have three specializations, VIP's should not have to pay to use them).

- Free Hurried Traveller (-30 min. cool down on all travel skills) and +1 additional Milestone. (I agree with Macroscian here).

- Increase the amount of TP gained monthly to 700.

- A Double XP buff that we can toggle on and off. (Or keep it as it is now but add the option to turn XP gain on/off).

- (suggested by Ksenija) Special wallet for crafting stuff - it can be like a wallet is now or like and extra inventory bag that will only accept crafting items, 15 to 30 slots is more than enough.

Now this would definitely give turbine many, many new subscribers.

[GeorgeBaggy]

As VIP currently stands, there are really no decent VIP perks. Sure destiny points #lol, ettenmoors sure. Here are some suggestions for Turbine to ignore which may help boost the number of VIP subscriptions. Please feel free to add your own ideas, and hopefully Turbine will implement some of these.

1. A Double XP buff that we can toggle on and off. Basically it will double quest/kill xp as long as it is active. Constant blue bar xp works as well.

2. Double Deed buff. Same thing as the xp buff, but applies to the deeds.

3. A summon skill. Similar to the captain summon skill, but for any toon. Possibly put a cd on it.

4. Reduce the Milestone Cool down to 5 minutes or less. Preferably no CD.

5. Increase the amount of TP gained monthly to 700 or more.

6. Crafting inductions/xp buff. Lower those inductions!

7. Infinite Skirmish Soldier summon time.

We should also have all three class and big battle trait trees unlocked by default. It's incredibly stingy of Turbine to require their own subscribers to pay an extra fee to make full use of their classes.

[GeorgeBaggy]

- (suggested by Ksenija) Special wallet for crafting stuff - it can be like a wallet is now or like and extra inventory bag that will only accept crafting items, 15 to 30 slots is more than enough.

That's an incredible idea

[GeorgeBaggy]

I'm VIP and I don't want any of that ####. The game is easy enough, thanks. And why would I want to blow through the content/levels even *faster*?

Because you've already gone through it, and assuming you have a life outside of the game, the rate of progression is currently too slow and grindy.

[pittcrew1]

- Free Hurried Traveller (-30 min. cool down on all travel skills) and +1 additional Milestone. (I agree with Macroscian here).[/B]

I would really prefer they make it so VIPs have a special trait that makes each Milestone CD have a separate CD instead. Don't step on the toes of people who have bought a lot of the milestone stuff, and in fact make it more worth it the more they buy.


So I'd prefer it be +1 (VIP exclusive) Milestone skill and give each Milestone skill a separate CD while subscribed.

[The_Jagannath]

My personal opinion as always.

Any suggestion that you make that would compete against a Lotro Store product is going to be a non starter. Not going happen. Same issue with increasing the amount of Turbine Points we get as part of our monthly stipend.

Instead you need to look for perks that do not compete with Lotro Store. The last VIP perk that was added that I can think of is anywhere mail. Perhaps we could get anywhere auction hall, vault, wardrobe, shared storage, housing chest, kinship chest access.

All things that are sold in the store...

[pittcrew1]

All things that are sold in the store...

Yeah, but I don't blame Yula for not knowing, they have always been a really bad deal, especially since they decay while logged off. Makes it pretty pointless to raise duration as they did/will.

[Sizz_the_sock]

1. A Double XP buff that we can toggle on and off. Basically it will double quest/kill xp as long as it is active. Constant blue bar xp works as well.

I agree, cause I really level too fast sometimes.

2. Double Deed buff. Same thing as the xp buff, but applies to the deeds.

That's too much imo. What about a discount on the Deed thingie from the store?

3. A summon skill. Similar to the captain summon skill, but for any toon. Possibly put a cd on it.

meh. just no sorry. You already got cosmetic pets like my Loremaster - don't steal my captains summoning horn.
Since you play a Minstrel you should be fine with your OPness yo.

4. Reduce the Milestone Cool down to 5 minutes or less. Preferably no CD.

I agree, but since there is the option buy several Milestones. Do they all share the same CD like lets say crude maps on creepside?

5. Increase the amount of TP gained monthly to 700 or more.

I agree.

6. Crafting inductions/xp buff. Lower those inductions!

Yes please. Pretty please!!!

7. Infinite Skirmish Soldier summon time.

Don't we already have that?

[willowbrook]

I favor all the perks except for #3.

[Sizz_the_sock]

Yo.
It's just me again, but my sentinels and I were discussing some stuff again and one of them had this great Idea:

Infamy/Renown Disabler

I totally support this, cause I tend to 1v1 a lot and the points that come from that are waaaay too much sometimes. Anyway
- this should only be available to VIPs and NOT available in the store.

Discuss please.

[Cardal]

I like the renown disabler. Options people, options.

[The_Warg]

[Cardal]

One day turbine.

[The_Jagannath]

Yeah, but I don't blame Yula for not knowing, they have always been a really bad deal, especially since they decay while logged off. Makes it pretty pointless to raise duration as they did/will.

I wasn't aware only good deals jump out at you.