Basic Stalker Question

[SpicyMacHaggis]

Having warg as my main for the last two years it's become painfully clear to me that it being a stealth class, winning will always get people to complain about literally every thing you do. This thread seemed to have some potential but got completely derailed. What people fail to grasp is that lotro will always have a mechanic that puts one class in advantage over the other, #wargproblems are just small fraction of the whole picture.

OK, you are a hunter and I get the frustration you might have when a warg jumps you and takes half of the morale off the bat, my advice to you is to get better at planning your fights (traps, class consumables, buffs), exit strategies and gear&trait proper, if you still lose then pray for running into a reaver who is free renown for almost any hunter at the moment. I do however get annoyed with people calling for a class revamp simply because they do not know how to win against it. Also in all honesty a hunter with top gear can kill the majority of fotm loving wargs. McSwaggis, a poster in this thread for example is among those hunters that survive the initial burst with 20/40k remaining intact and then giving you hell once he is out of the stun, it must be the only hunter I never won against without having 100% cool downs up and
ready for use. (3:1 and you are in the lead, Swag!).

The only reason I won those fights is because i had brand off cd. Chances of victory vs properly played wargs going all out are slim when you can't brand that initial stun. They were some good fights though, a nice change from the vast majority of wargs (or creeps and freeps in general) who just stalk and call out for more till they think they have certain victory.

Besides that I find it hard to believe that i'm the only hunter you're having trouble with. There's really nothing special about what I do, there's far better hunters out there for sure.

PS. There's a couple of wargs out there that parse higher than you still (on me as a hunter, not on NPC's). This could be crit/dev luck or less CC from my side but i've fought them a couple of times and it seems consistent. Just send me a tell in game if you want to know who they are.

Oh and one last thing, recent changes in freep gear account for 1/5th of my total deaths and I am hardly an escape artist, I prefer to burn all cds in order to get a kill instead of running from a 1vs1 gone bad, so the devs are areadly on the right path. Also warg numbers start falling, now that they get pew peed to death in 3-4 hits.

Warg numbers start falling? Surely this isn't the case on evernight, i see more and more wargs each day, especially before the creep zergs are up. To me it seems as a ton of creeps are just playing their warg till the usual suspects start a raid at which point they log their main creep to start zerging around the map.

Luckily more than 95% of the warg population doesn't have a clue about how potent the class is (same as burg).

[Spilo]

Warg class just needs a redistribution of damage before anything else. Do that, and you'll slightly reduce the damage (especially the burst) for all Wargs, but significantly reduce the damage for the masses of casuals looking better than they are.

That being said, part of the reason Warg is so broken is from lack of Freep Audacity. Of course a Hunter, who has the worst stun break skill in the game, is going to have issues vs. a Warg. As it is with anything, you need to find a balance between the bad Wargs who don't want their Bestial Claws touched, and the Bad Hunters who are getting destroyed.

[JustAnotherElf]

The only reason I won those fights is because i had brand off cd. Chances of victory vs properly played wargs going all out are slim when you can't brand that initial stun. They were some good fights though, a nice change from the vast majority of wargs (or creeps and freeps in general) who just stalk and call out for more till they think they have certain victory.

Besides that I find it hard to believe that i'm the only hunter you're having trouble with. There's really nothing special about what I do, there's far better hunters out there for sure.

PS. There's a couple of wargs out there that parse higher than you still (on me as a hunter, not on NPC's). This could be crit/dev luck or less CC from my side but i've fought them a couple of times and it seems consistent. Just send me a tell in game if you want to know who they are.

During the 4 times we fought, twice I had tactical mitigation slotted from fighting a 4 manner earlier, once I had neither sprint nor hips (at Lug BD, I did not even have stun pots up which made the fight end rather quickly) and once I had full glass with CDs up, which was the time I won. The initial stun parse is not what determines a win (which in my case was, I agree overwhelming with 45% of morale left in tact and a pot still up). We have not fought enough times to be able to determine the consistency behind it. You can always give a shout when you are online and we could test it out.

Warg numbers are down since the hunter buff, while I do not attribute that to the class itself, that is just how it seems from both freep and creep side, since I play both.

[Nouri]

Wargs may need some DPS redistributed between their skills, but I still find the difference between a skilled-warg and most other wargs is Huge! The skilled wargs are really dangerous

[Ethrildar]

What people fail to grasp is that lotro will always have a mechanic that puts one class in advantage over the other, #wargproblems are just small fraction of the whole picture.


my advice to you is to get better at planning your fights (traps, class consumables, buffs), exit strategies and gear&trait proper, if you still lose then pray for running into a reaver who is free renown for almost any hunter at the moment.


Also in all honesty a hunter with top gear can kill the majority of fotm loving wargs.


my warg might be boasting DPS parses that are around 13k vs an elite npc, proving to be among the world's highest


Weaver reflect has no effect on RKS
RK stun fest has no influence over weavers and defilers.
Yellow hunters can kite a solo warg from Grams to GV and back again, unless warg bursts through morale on stun immunities.


there are too many situations where one class has advantage over another
Warg hips has a stupidly short cool down and all the fotm warg packs had to be dealt with, so that was a well thought out change. So was hunter DF change back in the day.


Also warg numbers start falling, now that they get pew peed to death in 3-4 hits.

I don't wanna write an essay but there's so much wrong in your post (how I see it from the POV of someone not maining a Warg). I will sum it up, please don't feel that this is aggressive, just efficiency:


Mechanics that put one class over another? Absolutely fine. Mechanics that make one class unplayable versus the other in the vast majority of fights on balanced skill level? Not ok. No class has this but Warg, and Burg when played to a top 1% skill level (rare).


Planning fights? How do you plan a fight when roaming the moors, short of camping an OP and having a trap-swap line, you have literally no option but to take what comes, when it comes. Class conumables, lol do you think I'm not using breach finders and food/buffs? You think that's why Wargs are roflstomping everything, because people aren't popping scrolls and 150 stat food?


Exit strategies. I'd love to know what exit strategies a Hunter has versus a Warg outside of being within 50m of the 1shots (I'm not that sort of player). You have ~20 seconds at max versus a good Warg in which to kill it or die, they have a massive run speed advantage over you, and a sprint in case you slow them, they have CC immunity for 50% of that fight and can pot all your CCs for the other 50% of it, including your slow. Escape isn't an option, you fight until they die or HIPS.


A good Hunter can kill most FOTM wargs 1v1, yes, but an average player versus another average player, you're gonna get TRASHED versus a Warg, on a Hunter. The 1 warg per day I find alone, if they're not pro, they're gonna get trashed (if they are, they're gonna win unless I brand the initial pounce and get lucky).


13k DPS? I've seen elite NPCs die in under a second with 90k DPS from Wargs. 13k is not quite what I'd call "among the worlds highest", no offence...


No comment on the Warden stuff, if you're losing to anything but the best of healspam Wardens you're doing something very wrong.


Weaver reflect has no effect on RKs (and too right), correct, lets make that every class and get rid of a ridiculously unbalanced skill. AoS too, it works perfectly for removing melee opponents for a short time when being focused, needs to not proc on DOTS but other than that its perfect.


Yellow Hunters can indeed kite pretty well versus Wargs, but given the DPS disparity in yellow compared to a semi competent warg, this is entirely meaningless, you're gonna get rekt whether you hold the Warg off for 15 seconds or not. By this logic, Blue Guardians are epic in pvp because they take such a stupidly long time to die (whilst doing no meaningful damage).


Warg numbers have done nothing but skyrocket since Crit became so hilariously broken for them, and they'll continue to go up until they're no longer the most survivable, highest DPS and easiest to play creep class.

The only reason I won those fights is because i had brand off cd. Chances of victory vs properly played wargs going all out are slim when you can't brand that initial stun.


Warg numbers start falling? Surely this isn't the case on evernight, i see more and more wargs each day, especially before the creep zergs are up. To me it seems as a ton of creeps are just playing their warg till the usual suspects start a raid at which point they log their main creep to start zerging around the map.

Same for me, versus good Wargs it comes down to brand. Is it off CD? Y/N.
Yes: Chance to win
No: Die, if fight is close, Warg hits morale pot/hips and then wins.


Ark, Landy and Brandy Warg numbers haven't done anything but go up, that's just a complete falsity, unless he's talking about some obscure server with a total population of 15 people, but I doubt it.

I still find the difference between a skilled-warg and most other wargs is Huge! The skilled wargs are really dangerous

The skilled Wargs are broken. The mediocre Wargs are dangerous when anyone can slot 6 crit and do top-tier DPS by pressing the first skill on their skill bar 10 times per fight. Average wargs vs average freeps is laughable, good Wargs vs average freeps results in 3 second kills without even using cooldowns. Edit: To clarify, the mediocre Wargs are dangerous not because 1v1 they're gonna win against decent Freeps (they'll do significant damage by hitting 1 key, but won't win), but more because they're never solo (there's no reason to solo anymore, outside of the few of us that enjoy it).

[JustAnotherElf]

I don't wanna write an essay but there's so much wrong in your post (how I see it from the POV of someone not maining a Warg). I will sum it up, please don't feel that this is aggressive, just efficiency:

Mechanics that put one class over another? Absolutely fine. Mechanics that make one class unplayable versus the other in the vast majority of fights on balanced skill level? Not ok. No class has this but Warg, and Burg when played to a top 1% skill level (rare).

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I would argue that 1% deserves all the glory that comes with it, whatever the class is...

Planning fights? How do you plan a fight when roaming the moors, short of camping an OP and having a trap-swap line, you have literally no option but to take what comes, when it comes. Class conumables, lol do you think I'm not using breach finders and food/buffs? You think that's why Wargs are roflstomping everything, because people aren't popping scrolls and 150 stat food?

Exit strategies. I'd love to know what exit strategies a Hunter has versus a Warg outside of being within 50m of the 1shots (I'm not that sort of player). You have ~20 seconds at max versus a good Warg in which to kill it or die, they have a massive run speed advantage over you, and a sprint in case you slow them, they have CC immunity for 50% of that fight and can pot all your CCs for the other 50% of it, including your slow. Escape isn't an option, you fight until they die or HIPS.

If you cannot name even one instance, I am sorry then you are far from the aforementioned 1% and might want to ask your ''peers'' for an advice.

A good Hunter can kill most FOTM wargs 1v1, yes, but an average player versus another average player, you're gonna get TRASHED versus a Warg, on a Hunter. The 1 warg per day I find alone, if they're not pro, they're gonna get trashed (if they are, they're gonna win unless I brand the initial pounce and get lucky).

That is one thing I agree with, but the biggest issue is simple amount of grind required to gear a freep. A geared freep even played poorly can still give creep a fight.

13k DPS? I've seen elite NPCs die in under a second with 90k DPS from Wargs. 13k is not quite what I'd call "among the worlds highest", no offence...

No comment on the Warden stuff, if you're losing to anything but the best of healspam Wardens you're doing something very wrong.

I was talking about 100k+ mobs and soloing Rottenroot in 1min 34sec on a warg, if you do have friends that can solo tree with 90k DPS, please introduce them to me and I will hang my head in shame for being overly presumptuous.

As far as wardens go, 3k DPS on a warden is pretty good as far as I am concerned, if you play a warden and cannot do 3k HPS then I seriously doubt you should be playing that class. It is the same thing with blue minis that have 70k and die to a solo warg.

Weaver reflect has no effect on RKs (and too right), correct, lets make that every class and get rid of a ridiculously unbalanced skill. AoS too, it works perfectly for removing melee opponents for a short time when being focused, needs to not proc on DOTS but other than that its perfect.

Yellow Hunters can indeed kite pretty well versus Wargs, but given the DPS disparity in yellow compared to a semi competent warg, this is entirely meaningless, you're gonna get rekt whether you hold the Warg off for 15 seconds or not. By this logic, Blue Guardians are epic in pvp because they take such a stupidly long time to die (whilst doing no meaningful damage).

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You still haven't made any case against having ''rock scissors paper'' in lotro PvP, which has been its brand since 2007.

In any case I am in no way offended, but merely annoyed at the ''goggle'' remarks. My main creep is a warg, however my freep main is a warden and pvp ready alts are guardian and a burg, (pre-u18 it was hunter as well, I just haven't had the time nor the will to gear it) which I played during the whole period of broken crit rating on creep side. Have spent a year helping freeps break that GV camp, does not make me an expert but still... I play my freeps regularly to keep the memory of 6 vs 1 warg fights fresh in memory.

[Ethrildar]

I would argue that 1% deserves all the glory that comes with it, whatever the class is...

I agree, the problem is that Warg is so hilariously easy to play that to get the same level of faceroll OP out of a Burglar (beyond just using CA for an automatic 1/3 of a Creep's morale), you need to have excellent gear, excellent movement (huge movement disadvantage vs Wargs for example) and play well, you also need an actual rotation, and to monitor your skills and track procs and buffs. The two are incomparable. Burglar isn't hard, but being infuriatingly OP on it is.

If you cannot name even one instance, I am sorry then you are far from the aforementioned 1% and might want to ask your ''peers'' for an advice.

I did, I named "being near the 1shots" as an instance in which you can escape a competent Warg on Hunter. The only other time is when exceptionally lucky that you can cure the slow twice in a row (again, this relies on Brand and CotH being off CD), and they have sprint on cooldown. So aside from that, what do you propose? Do Hunters honestly escape you that often? This doesn't even bring into play that when running away from a Warg, you're giving them 100% perfect positional, and doubling their DPS.

I also never once suggested I am in the 1%. I do very well on Hunter, but I am very very bored of being roflstomped by Wargs that have "mastered" the three buttons required to win on it.

That is one thing I agree with, but the biggest issue is simple amount of grind required to gear a freep. A geared freep even played poorly can still give creep a fight.

A geared freep, poorly played, can indeed give a creep a fight, but I'm referring solely to skill level. Average vs Average, Warg annihilates everything. A terrible Warg can win just by hitting "1" enough times per fight to kill most Freeps. A mediocre freep with BIS gear is going to do much better, but if they're still bad at the class, the skill cap is so much higher that unless they're lucky with their random button mashing, a Warg is still going to win.

To re-re-re-re-re-re-state the point that people don't seem to get: Average vs Average, creepside has a MASSIVE advantage now due to simplicity of play. Good vs Good, the balance is more on point, and Elite vs Elite, as usual, creepside gets annihilated without bringing double numbers or stacking Wargs and BAs.

I was talking about 100k+ mobs and soloing Rottenroot in 1min 34sec on a warg, if you do have friends that can solo tree with 90k DPS, please introduce them to me and I will hang my head in shame for being overly presumptuous.

Well, yeah, 90k DPS over 1 second implies 90k damage done. I'm pretty sure it was higher, someone posted it on this forum a few months back, after the "nerf" to Crit corruptions, they were killing cows at GTA in half a second. 1min 34 Rottenroot is good, I'll give you that, I'm just saying that 13k DPS isn't all that impressive when it should only take around 1.5-3 seconds to kill an elite.

As far as wardens go, 3k DPS on a warden is pretty good as far as I am concerned, if you play a warden and cannot do 3k HPS then I seriously doubt you should be playing that class. It is the same thing with blue minis that have 70k and die to a solo warg.

Wardens achieving 3k HPS in the moors are only a "thing" when the opponent is terrible with their movement. If you're moving right, a Warden is getting 1/5 of their potential max DPS, and not while doing any meaningful healing. Wargs didn't used to be a problem due to Warden being so OP, but now they're actually one of the hardest things to 1v1, unless as I say, their movement is poor.

You still haven't made any case against having ''rock scissors paper'' in lotro PvP, which has been its brand since 2007.

It's not R/P/S. It's Rock - Paper - Scissors - Asteroid. Warg has an advantage over every Freep class compared to all it's creep counterparts. (Best DPS, best survival/escape options, huge mobility advantage, stealth, potent CCs, potent debuffs). The class is also hilariously easy to play and has no meaningful mechanics, just point and shoot...

[siipperi]

Wargs may need some DPS redistributed between their skills, but I still find the difference between a skilled-warg and most other wargs is Huge! The skilled wargs are really dangerous

Well sure, but one would assume difference is huge when some players cant seem to use even one skill in the fight. There are a lot of ranged class players who never get any skills off in a fight because they cant turn..

[Vezal]

Well, yeah, 90k DPS over 1 second implies 90k damage done. I'm pretty sure it was higher, someone posted it on this forum a few months back, after the "nerf" to Crit corruptions, they were killing cows at GTA in half a second. 1min 34 Rottenroot is good, I'll give you that, I'm just saying that 13k DPS isn't all that impressive when it should only take around 1.5-3 seconds to kill an elite.

13k dps just selfbuffed and like 90% of the fight no positional is pretty good imo.
The 90k dps on cows are either using the old 210% boost or macro. (or both)

[Ethrildar]

13k dps just selfbuffed and like 90% of the fight no positional is pretty good imo.
The 90k dps on cows are either using the old 210% boost or macro. (or both)

"Pretty good" is not the same as "Best in the world", which was my point. You can be "pretty good" at boxing, but unless you've got the trophy, you aren't gonna be taken seriously making claims of being "the best in the world", by the same token, if you're getting DPS levels 70k lower than other Wargs, you're not "the best in the world".

Again, 13k is adequate, even decent, but the "best in the world" Wargs are getting 13k DPS on your average Freep with average gear and average (aka none) playing ability.

The 90k dps ........ macro.

[Spilo]

The 90k dps on cows are either using the old 210% boost or macro. (or both)

This is actually true. I know the players who achieved over 200k DPS on the cows, and it's, of course, a macro. It was also U19.2

[JustAnotherElf]

Well, yeah, 90k DPS over 1 second implies 90k damage done. I'm pretty sure it was higher, someone posted it on this forum a few months back, after the "nerf" to Crit corruptions, they were killing cows at GTA in half a second. 1min 34 Rottenroot is good, I'll give you that, I'm just saying that 13k DPS isn't all that impressive when it should only take around 1.5-3 seconds to kill an elite.

Seems like this limited knowledge about the mechanics of creep DPS is all the proof required to end this futile discussion. Seems like you are still living in the age of 210% crits with 70k BC spam... Dead freep goggles much?

Also. let me know which server you are playing on and let me know the name of a player that can reproduce higher stats on live, then you will have proven your point. Seems like your opinion is strongly influenced by the ''rekt''al dysfunction from being killed on hunter.

[Ethrildar]

Seems like this limited knowledge about the mechanics of creep DPS is all the proof required to end this futile discussion. Seems like you are still living in the age of 210% crits with 70k BC spam... Dead freep goggles much?

Also. let me know which server you are playing on and let me know the name of a player that can reproduce higher stats on live, then you will have proven your point. Seems like your opinion is strongly influenced by the ''rekt''al dysfunction from being killed on hunter.

No, if you read my post I was referring to it after the "fix" that made it a little less (but still very) broken. Just go try it, you can make the "macro" required to do this with a few lines of script in AHK. The fact that it's possible makes my point fairly well.

You can find me on Equiinoxxe soloing most nights (UK time, probably like 3-7pm EST I guess) and on the weekends. I'd love to 1v1 you on Hunter, it's quite rare I find any sportsmanlike players to fight these days, and I'm very curious to see how we do, I think it'll go both ways, probably a lot harder for you if we organise the fights as I'll be ready and you (I hope) wouldn't be using stealth to open.

[Spilo]

No, if you read my post I was referring to it after the "fix" that made it a little less (but still very) broken. Just go try it, you can make the "macro" required to do this with a few lines of script in AHK. The fact that it's possible makes my point fairly well.

You can find me on Equiinoxxe soloing most nights (UK time, probably like 3-7pm EST I guess) and on the weekends. I'd love to 1v1 you on Hunter, it's quite rare I find any sportsmanlike players to fight these days, and I'm very curious to see how we do, I think it'll go both ways, probably a lot harder for you if we organise the fights as I'll be ready and you (I hope) wouldn't be using stealth to open.

Equi are you on Discord/Fbook? Hit me up via Private Message- would like to schedule some fights with you. Riiz also said you wanted to organize a 6v6 at some point.

[Ethrildar]

Equi are you on Discord/Fbook? Hit me up via Private Message- would like to schedule some fights with you. Riiz also said you wanted to organize a 6v6 at some point.

I messaged you

[Tirn]

[QUOTE=SpicyMacHaggis;7704827

Luckily more than 95% of the warg population doesn't have a clue about how potent the class is (same as burg).[/QUOTE]

What an arrogant clown you are . Hard luck and you make a great partnership . Nearly as good as hard luck and foot rot . Neither of you truly solo , hard luck certainly doesn't without forestgump in tow .

I remember you from Gilrain , another Delotha wannabe . Thing is you never made it , never will do either .

Once hunters are nerfed we will see that idiot guardian no doubt

[SpicyMacHaggis]

What an arrogant clown you are . Hard luck and you make a great partnership . Nearly as good as hard luck and foot rot . Neither of you truly solo , hard luck certainly doesn't without forestgump in tow .

I remember you from Gilrain , another Delotha wannabe . Thing is you never made it , never will do either .

Once hunters are nerfed we will see that idiot guardian no doubt

Amazing comment with 0% truth, if you actually seen me out on the battlefield you'd have noticed that i'm mostly solo with the occasional kingroup.
And yes i will use shady tactics to escape zergs, if you don't like that stop zerging, simple as that.

Yes i was from Gilrain, yes i know Delo but he was hardly an inspiration, idk where you got that from. Keep living in the past...
Being from Gilrain i also remember that trash burg of yours.

[Tirn]

Amazing comment with 0% truth, if you actually seen me out on the battlefield you'd have noticed that i'm mostly solo with the occasional kingroup.
And yes i will use shady tactics to escape zergs, if you don't like that stop zerging, simple as that.

Yes i was from Gilrain, yes i know Delo but he was hardly an inspiration, idk where you got that from. Keep living in the past...
Being from Gilrain i also remember that trash burg of yours.

virtually every single post from you reeks of arrogance . Virtually every single post from you trashes other players . Without the 95% you refer to there wouldn't be any game that's just common sense .

Nothing you say means jack diddly .

Delotha was the only true R15 hunter and he played it well far better than you could ever brag about . He never trashed other players not even the lowest greenie . He earned his respect and I knew him far better than you .

I don't Zerg the fact that creeps map in from wherever to get to you is a measure of their love for you .Stop whining about something which is of your own making .

[SpicyMacHaggis]

virtually every single post from you reeks of arrogance . Virtually every single post from you trashes other players . Without the 95% you refer to there wouldn't be any game that's just common sense .

Nothing you say means jack diddly .

Delotha was the only true R15 hunter and he played it well far better than you could ever brag about . He never trashed other players not even the lowest greenie . He earned his respect and I knew him far better than you .

I wasn't trashtalking anyone to begin with, you started trashtalking me by responding to my first post.
The statement in my initial post was that 95% of the warg playerbase don't have a clue about the potential the class has or how to reach it. I'm quite certain most wargs who do play the class near it's full potential will agree with me on this. This has nothing to do with trashtalking, it's merely stating a fact.

Also where in my post did I say the 95% shouldn't play the game/pvp? Please enlighten me as I can't seem to find it.

What's up with your Delotha obsession btw? He was a good hunter for sure but I was never looking up to him like you claim, seems to me like you were. In my opinion there was an even better hunter on gilrain.

I don't Zerg the fact that creeps map in from wherever to get to you is a measure of their love for you .

Great contradiction here, you don't zerg but in the same sentence you define an act of zerging.

Anyways that's enough forum pvp for me, feel free to look me up in game if you want to fight it out there. Idk who your freeps or creeps are these days but mine are in my avatar. I'm not hiding behind my forum account.

[Spilo]

I don't Zerg the fact that creeps map in from wherever to get to you is a measure of their love for you .Stop whining about something which is of your own making .

[Tirn]

I wasn't trashtalking anyone to begin with, you started trashtalking me by responding to my first post.
The statement in my initial post was that 95% of the warg playerbase don't have a clue about the potential the class has or how to reach it. I'm quite certain most wargs who do play the class near it's full potential will agree with me on this. This has nothing to do with trashtalking, it's merely stating a fact.

Also where in my post did I say the 95% shouldn't play the game/pvp? Please enlighten me as I can't seem to find it.

What's up with your Delotha obsession btw? He was a good hunter for sure but I was never looking up to him like you claim, seems to me like you were. In my opinion there was an even better hunter on gilrain.



Great contradiction here, you don't zerg but in the same sentence you define an act of zerging.

Anyways that's enough forum pvp for me, feel free to look me up in game if you want to fight it out there. Idk who your freeps or creeps are these days but mine are in my avatar. I'm not hiding behind my forum account.

the game /pvp needs numbers . In your humble opinion 95% of those who play warg are clueless . You think that's a fact and isn't insulting any player . I disagree .

Secondly im not obsessed with anyone . I merely put you in your place . Back then rank spoke volumes it actually meant something . What rank are you again ? Furthermore dont remember you leading any raids on gilrain or any other server . That's a fact .

Defining what constitutes an act doesn't mean that I participate in such an act . Absurd link .i was merely pointing out what usually happens when a solo freep gets spotted . I can't control that .

finally I'm not hiding behind anything I can't be asked to change my avatar . If you dont know who my freeps are then you are even more self obsessed than what I think you are . As for my creeps well I'm on them most days and I'm certainly not zerging . We try to get a small group going but most have left or have just stopped playing . I'm not surprised . Perhaps if 95% were not nuked everyday by op huntards they just might want to play .

[Hayley]

if you actually seen me out on the battlefield you'd have noticed that i'm mostly solo with the occasional kingroup.

Since you dropped your guardian you never play solo (Clubdysney rule, maybe?).

[Spilo]

Perhaps if 95% were not nuked everyday by op huntards they just might want to play .

Except for the fact that if a Warg actually reads skills and watches the extensive warg guide I created, they'd be the ones nuking Hunters. I have a problem with how easy Hunter DPS is to achieve (same rule applies to Burglars and Wargs), but if you're going to argue that 95% of Wargs have a reason to cry about when it comes to hunters, then you're beyond arguing with.

[Tirn]

Except for the fact that if a Warg actually reads skills and watches the extensive warg guide I created, they'd be the ones nuking Hunters. I have a problem with how easy Hunter DPS is to achieve (same rule applies to Burglars and Wargs), but if you're going to argue that 95% of Wargs have a reason to cry about when it comes to hunters, then you're beyond arguing with.

The fact is they don't , the fact remains they get nuked . My point was nothing to do with 95% whining it was about the elitist 5% whining . I happen to agree with most but what I don't like is elitist bull#### . If you take the average hunter vs the average warg then the disparity between DPS is clear . People get fed up easily and they just log off leaving the hordes of noobs sending barrage 1,2 and 3 towards them whilst being kept alive with healstacked groups of minis behind them . It is irrelevant what 1% or less of elitists think because even you will get nuked such is the state of play today .

[SpicyMacHaggis]

Since you dropped your guardian you never play solo (Clubdysney rule, maybe?).

And how would you know, haven't you quit the game? I personally don't know you but i've heard what kind of person you are from kinnies who do know you.

Roam away from the zerg and you will see plenty of me solo. If you're still active you certainly would have seen a lot of me around the outposts or at least the callouts in ooc.

Secondly im not obsessed with anyone . I merely put you in your place . Back then rank spoke volumes it actually meant something . What rank are you again ? Furthermore dont remember you leading any raids on gilrain or any other server . That's a fact .

Why do you even feel the need to put me in my place? I never claimed to be some sort of super awesome pvp god, i'm well aware that i'm quite average which i also stated in my initial post. I just have basic sense of game mechanics which sadly can't be said about the majority of the current playerbase.
Besides that rank never meant anything more than time spent pvp'ing.

This is just rich: judging my pvp quality on being a raidleader?
I never lead raids because it's not the playstyle i enjoy. I prefer roaming solo or in small groups. I've done some raiding when i first got into pvp but once i got the hang of it i found the smaller action far more enjoyable. I don't think you can judge a person's pvp quality on wether he solos mostly or leads raids, there are as many trash raid leaders out there than there are trash solo players in case you haven't noticed

Raids these days are cancerously laggy anyway and not enjoyable at all most of the time especially on evernight.

finally I'm not hiding behind anything I can't be asked to change my avatar . If you dont know who my freeps are then you are even more self obsessed than what I think you are . .

Wut? Self obsessed because I don't know your toons? Please explain the logic behind that because i seem to completely miss it


I think this thread has derailed far enough now, if you want to continue to trashtalk me please continue to do so in game. Maybe I will get some more good laughs out of it.