Middle-earth feedback: Legolas and Gimli

[Saffron]

Learn more about these two well-known members of the Fellowship of the Ring, whose friendship overcomes the ancient friction between Elves and Dwarves!

Read about Legolas and Gimli and then post your comments below!

[swisskdl]

Legolas isn't that special in being able to walk on snow and not leave a mark. My fat dwarf can do the same thing

Oh, and last time I looked, Gimli wasn't hanging out in Rivendell. You might throw some new comers off by saying that while they search Rivendell for hours looking for him


While it's great to learn about some of the characters of Middle Earth, I was kinda expecting some more updates about Evendim before it came out. I thought last Thursday and/or todays update would be more of an advertisement for that. You guys did say awhile ago we would get more info about it before it came out. I mean, most of us have read the books or at least seen the movies, we know who Gimli and Legolas are. A big update tomorrow, I kinda expected some more meat in these last couple of updates

Oh well, guess I'll just play Evendim tomorrow.

And sorry to continue to be such a downer, but what happened to Wednesday updates? Haven't had one of those in the last 3 or 4 weeks now. Beta journals are done now of course, but for awhile there you still continued to have some kind of little update.

[jpspencer79]

A nice little snippet of information, I'd say. A quick glimpse into the lives of the characters that players will be interacting with during the latter half of their levelling adventure.

[Oryn]

My eyes must be playing tricks on me but Legolas looks like he's got a little pot belly. I think him and Gimli may be taking those drinking compitions to far

[Neithan]

While the article seems to suggest that the Lore of the game includes the tension between Elves and Dwarves, I really haven't seen this. With the lack of any racial faction differentiation among the Free Peoples, most of the background tensions from LotR are lost. An Elf can travel to Thorin's Gate and do everything a Dwarf can, and vice versa. This kills immersion to some extent, as it just doesn't feel like the complex social world Middle-Earth is supposed to be.
I was in Othrikar (North Downs) the other day and did a quest where one of the Dwarves told me to go the Elf refuge (Meluinen) to decipher some script. He said "Give our best to the Elves!" As if they were the bestest good friends forever. The Elf I took the quest item to made no comment to the contrary... or even explain how this 'all but unheard of' friendship between a dwarf and elf colony could have taken place.

:/

[Farnik]

Pah! Such a short description of a great dwarf! You spend twice as much detail on -of all things- an elf! An ELF!

I have learned that I must tolerate elves in these dark times, but us dwarves are the TRUE firstborn, and are far superior to an ELF! And though some elves are more tolerable than others, I would never get friendly with one. They always look down at us, and blame all of the world's problems on us! They say that we spend too much time in caves, and should fight. We fight plenty of goblins that infest our halls, while those elves just flee across the sea...

Ah, I shouldn't loose me temper. We should spend more time killing orcs than trying to kill each other. If those elves could just admit that we were taking back our treasure that they stole from us...

[swisskdl]

While the article seems to suggest that the Lore of the game includes the tension between Elves and Dwarves, I really haven't seen this. With the lack of any racial faction differentiation among the Free Peoples, most of the background tensions from LotR are lost. An Elf can travel to Thorin's Gate and do everything a Dwarf can, and vice versa. This kills immersion to some extent, as it just doesn't feel like the complex social world Middle-Earth is supposed to be.
I was in Othrikar (North Downs) the other day and did a quest where one of the Dwarves told me to go the Elf refuge (Meluinen) to decipher some script. He said "Give our best to the Elves!" As if they were the bestest good friends forever. The Elf I took the quest item to made no comment to the contrary... or even explain how this 'all but unheard of' friendship between a dwarf and elf colony could have taken place.

:/

I agree, the lack of tension between Elves and Dwarves in this game really can quite kill the immersion of Middle Earth.

Elves and Dwarves really should have to do some type of friendship-favor type quests to enter each other's towns.

Things are too lovey dovey between the two races in this game.

I'm pretty sure any ole Elf wouldn't be able to just open the gates of Thorans Hall and run around like they own the place without a quick blunt side of the axe hit to the head and a wake up in the dungeon. Or a dwarf smashing around in the Elven flower beds without a pointy arrow or 3 pointed at their big heads.

This is definetly one of the areas of the game where Middle Earth immersion is severely lacking.

[gildhur]

The Elf-Dwarf tension is there in the Ered Luin quests on both sides, but after that it's all the same. Some race-specific quests (like the current class quests) scattered through the higher levels would do much to reinforce the historical struggle between the various Free Peoples.

As others have said, you might want to revise your Gimli description to say that he is "near" Rivendell rather than in it.

[Etikilam]

The elf-dwarf tension doesn't mean they kill each other on sight, guys...

[swisskdl]

The elf-dwarf tension doesn't mean they kill each other on sight, guys...

I'm not asking for fights and killing each other, I'm just saying a couple more closed doors or 'tension' would have been nice.

And not permanent closed doors, but closed until you prove you are an 'elf-friend' or 'dwarf-friend'.

The Elves treated Thoran and Company better than they did for Orc captives, but they were still locked up and caged.

[Gravious]

So, uh, someone at Turbine having a little fun with that image of Legolas? The crudely drawn quiver and the arrow he is holding... Pretty amusing

Cheers,
Guilty.
Landroval.

[Aesir]

The tension is lost if the quest text isn't read, but isn't "To Avert a War" the culmination of a plot line that involves a possible Elf/Dwarf war in LotRO?

They're not at war, so I suppose you can expect some travel between the Elven and Dwarven sectors of Ered Luin, but I would like to see the Elven lands/quests/content developed a bit more broadly (the elf I play periodically does seem to spend too much time in Northern Ered Luin).

More on-topic, I don't think the articles on Legolas and Gimli describe the transition from apathy to strong friendship that their relationship went through. The books did describe this fairly well, and it's interesting that there is the supposition that Gimli ended up in the Undying Lands to live out his last days with his friend, Legolas, after the call of the sea took hold of Legolas after Aragorn's passing. I liked that part.

[Stryker1487]

So, uh, someone at Turbine having a little fun with that image of Legolas? The crudely drawn quiver and the arrow he is holding... Pretty amusing

Cheers,
Guilty.
Landroval.

Ha, I just noticed that! Very strange and out of place looking, indeed!

[sparkey564]

where is legolas i cant find him help an elf out plz

[zephyrzucchini]

I'm most pleased! I expected to find a few orlando Bloom fagirls squealing about on here, and I'd have to drive them off with fire and a kick-@$$ axe
I was dissapointed when my elf was sent off to help elrohir becasue Dwalin was concerned..and his panic when he found Elrohir had been captured? touching -gag- I was HOPING to be shut out fo places, but in the dwarven-refuge to the north? there the hunter trainer was a ELF! -bangs-head-on-desk-and this is accurate HOW?
Thi was the only major dissapointment besides the flaw in distances...a quick jog through the barrow-downs made me livid and the distance between Bree and staddle? almost painful.