Mithril Coin Refund Request

[Markbjorn]

From the first Release Note:

• There is now a 1 minute cooldown after switching to saved class trait configuration before you can swap again.

To get buff from other trait line I have spent 100 Mithril Coin to unlock third class trait configuration.
If this one minute cooldown will be implemented on live then please RETURN my 100 mithril coin.

If you consider this an exploit you should implemented this cooldown when trait trees were first introduced or a few months after NOT years later.
Many players could have spent 100 mithril coins on one or more characters for this purpose.
This is just not right. Please give us option to get our 100 mithril coins back, maybe a button on the trait panel or something like that.

Thank you.

[Thornglen]

I am curious about this change and wonder why it would be done now.

Maybe you can shed some light on why one would need to swap back and forth in under a minute?

[Aedfrith]

I am curious about this change and wonder why it would be done now.

Maybe you can shed some light on why one would need to swap back and forth in under a minute?

Because you're preparing for a fight. A good number of classes gain significant benefit from trait swaps - certainly captain, guardian, hunter, RK and minstrel.
As far as I'm concerned it is part of gameplay and a direct consequence of the tree system. The only thing you might genuinely consider an exploit is the minstrel 6 anthem stacking, which relies on not just trait tree swapping but stance swapping and so isn't directly solved by this.

Trin's idea of a 15 sec induction on trait swaps seems far more sensible than this heavy-handed sledgehammer to crack a nut. Why not simply make minstrel anthems expire when they swap stance (not traits)?

And yes, I want 100 mithril coins back too, please.

[MAWorking]

100 mithril was to unlock an additional trait line. It did not and does not imply or suggest you can quickly change between them.
You assumed, and things change.

Ill gladly reimburse you with my store bought travel rations

[Markbjorn]

100 mithril was to unlock an additional trait line. It did not and does not imply or suggest you can quickly change between them.
You assumed, and things change.

Ill gladly reimburse you with my store bought travel rations

No, thank you.
Are you part of the developer team or just speaking on behalf of them?

[Arnenna]

To get buff from other trait line I have spent 100 Mithril Coin to unlock third class trait configuration.
If this one minute cooldown will be implemented on live then please RETURN my 100 mithril coin.

If you consider this an exploit you should implemented this cooldown when trait trees were first introduced or a few months after NOT years later.
Many players could have spent 100 mithril coins on one or more characters for this purpose.
This is just not right. Please give us option to get our 100 mithril coins back, maybe a button on the trait panel or something like that.

Thank you.

you bought the ability to change trait trees to a third tree. You still can. You just can't do it within a one minute time frame. Nothing is lost.

[Gaming_Gal]

No, thank you.
Are you part of the developer team or just speaking on behalf of them?

If they were a member of the team, their name would be in blue.

I read it as them stating the obvious. Many things have changed over time, and you're not the first to be dismayed that your particular {now changed} thing, now doesn't do what you wanted it to do, which wasn't the core function to begin with for that thing. Whether your MC you spent was bought with real world cash or not, it doesn't mean you're suddenly entitled for a rebate.

What you paid for, the opening of that trait line to be all set up and ready to go at a single click, has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the timer that allows such swapping back and forth. Yes, we get it. That's all you cared about, the ability to not have to wait that incrementally small amount of time so you could do whatever super booster things. Yet the fundamental nature of the unlock HAS NOT CHANGED. That fundamental nature is what most folks pay for because it is a huge convenience to not have to reclicky all those bits. Just because it's not your angle on the unlock doesn't mean you get treated special. It's like you bought a daily serving of pie with a daub of whipped cream, and now you only get a daily serving of pie, when all you cared about was that tiny daub of whipped cream. Most folks would still think that regular delivery of pie is well worth what they paid, even if they miss that extra bit of sweetness.

MAWorking mentioned the travel rations because unlike what you paid for, those rations really are useless. Their base reason, rations being a requirement to travel, is no longer needed. They'd like the rebate because to them, the core function is gone. Unless you're a goofball role player like myself that still keeps some around to bewilder newbies or pull folks down memory lane. Like straw, or Overpower Tactics Leaflet consumables.

Hopefully that clears up the difference in potential perspectives for you.

[MAWorking]

No, thank you.
Are you part of the developer team or just speaking on behalf of them?

No, but I did sleep at a Motel 6 last night.

[NeoBasilisk]

You got many years of abuse out of the current system, so your money was well spent.

[Markbjorn]

You got many years of abuse out of the current system, so your money was well spent.

Abuse? Was it illegal to use buff from other traitline? How ignorant.

[maartena]

To get buff from other trait line I have spent 100 Mithril Coin to unlock third class trait configuration.
If this one minute cooldown will be implemented on live then please RETURN my 100 mithril coin.

You know that's not going to happen, right? So on to the next question, what is going to be your next step when they do not refund you, and it gets implemented?

Will you....

1) Throw your swords down, vow never to play again, publicly announce it on these forums, and say "Farewell Lotro, I shall never see you again!" - and then actually never log on again in protest?
or
2) Accept it. Log on again. Play the game like you always would. Move on as if it never happened....?

SSG is betting on 2).

[maartena]

No, thank you.
Are you part of the developer team or just speaking on behalf of them?

No, but he can read. You paid for "an additional slot".

You didn't pay for the right of no changes to the trait system whatsoever. They are implementing a change.

In-Game it says "Purchase an additional slot". That is ALL you paid for. You didn't pay for the right to switch in 1 second or 1 minute. Just the additional slot.

[treato]

To get buff from other trait line I have spent 100 Mithril Coin to unlock third class trait configuration.
If this one minute cooldown will be implemented on live then please RETURN my 100 mithril coin.

OR, you could realize that this is an MMO and things change all the time and so when you bought those coins you shouldve realized that there was the possibility that anything bought with them was temporary.

If you would like to challenge that, then please name another MMO that doesn't change things over the life of the game.

[lance20100]

nah you aint getting sh*t back, bruh

[Mercho]

To get buff from other trait line I have spent 100 Mithril Coin to unlock third class trait configuration.
If this one minute cooldown will be implemented on live then please RETURN my 100 mithril coin.

If you consider this an exploit you should implemented this cooldown when trait trees were first introduced or a few months after NOT years later.
Many players could have spent 100 mithril coins on one or more characters for this purpose.
This is just not right. Please give us option to get our 100 mithril coins back, maybe a button on the trait panel or something like that.

Thank you.

I think they should offer refunds for trait lines if they go ahead with this. I doubt they will though. When they did that huge change to hunters, to make them more competitive, they didn't offer any free Imbued Legacy Replacements Scrolls.

[CaerArianrhod]

Because you're preparing for a fight. [...] minstrel 6 anthem stacking,

And the minstrel is the only class, which is affected by this change.
Every other class can still go to the secondary trait tree: wait a minute: use skills, traps whatver etc. and change back to main tree. NOTHING has been changed to that so called "exploit", traps and runestone will be still on the floor, the guardiad can still run with red skill tree stun skill with the captains shield. Need just a bit more coordination in a group/raid. Minstrel still can play three anthems. A group or a raid still can meet outside of the instance and a mini can play the call of the eorlingas.
Typical Turbin/SSG solution: half of nothing.

[siipperi]

I think they should offer refunds for trait lines if they go ahead with this. I doubt they will though. When they did that huge change to hunters, to make them more competitive, they didn't offer any free Imbued Legacy Replacements Scrolls.

Lmao, why should they.

[MAWorking]

Lmao, why should they.

cuz...

[Thornglen]

And the minstrel is the only class, which is affected by this change.
Every other class can still go to the secondary trait tree: wait a minute: use skills, traps whatver etc. and change back to main tree. NOTHING has been changed to that so called "exploit", traps and runestone will be still on the floor, the guardiad can still run with red skill tree stun skill with the captains shield. Need just a bit more coordination in a group/raid. Minstrel still can play three anthems. A group or a raid still can meet outside of the instance and a mini can play the call of the eorlingas.
Typical Turbin/SSG solution: half of nothing.

I suspect you underestimate how long a minute is going to feel and how much time that will lose for anyone trying this.

[MAWorking]

I suspect you underestimate how long a minute is going to feel and how much time that will lose for anyone trying this.

LOL... it a horribly long time. Infact, it is a whole 60 seconds long! FACT!
Takes ya longer to go bio, grab drink, alt tab, answer a tell.

The game dynamics will crumble now because Joey da Minstrel has to wait 60 secs. <----- BTW, thats a minute.

[Markbjorn]

I believe I posted a polite request to SSG, but some trolls here think they know better.
If SSG decided to refund us with mithril coins will it do any harm to you?
I don't think so, then why all you trolls tried so hard here to tell us we don't deserve it?
What have gotten into you? It really tells what kind of person you are in real life. Shame.
You don't have the authority so please don't talk on behalf of SSG.
It's not end of the world if SSG deny my request and no I won't quit just because of it like suggested by one troll above.
I will wait for SSG decission and won't feed the trolls here anymore.
Thank you.

[CaerArianrhod]

I suspect you underestimate how long a minute is going to feel and how much time that will lose for anyone trying this.

Ever measured how long the minstrel need to play up to 6 anthems?
Waiting for that now is no difference to waiting 1 minute to be able to change skill tree.
And i suspect you underestimate the impackt which some skills can have for a raid. having zero damage for a couple of seconds (bubble, rune stone) and doing a lot more damage in the same time (traps) ....

[siipperi]

Ever measured how long the minstrel need to play up to 6 anthems?
Waiting for that now is no difference to waiting 1 minute to be able to change skill tree.
And i suspect you underestimate the impackt which some skills can have for a raid. having zero damage for a couple of seconds (bubble, rune stone) and doing a lot more damage in the same time (traps) ....

About 25-30s

[Gandalphor]

I see 3 options here...

1. Reimburse people for spending money and MC on something that was available for YEARS.
2. Ban all of us for using this so-called exploit for these many years. (Let's see how many RPers you're left with in the game). If this was an exploit you would have addressed this sooner, so stop BS-ing the players.
3. Leave it be, because you not being able to fix something in one class is not our fault and not the problem of the 90% of the classes.

[MAWorking]

I believe I posted a polite request to SSG, but some trolls here think they know better.
If SSG decided to refund us with mithril coins will it do any harm to you?
I don't think so, then why all you trolls tried so hard here to tell us we don't deserve it?
What have gotten into you? It really tells what kind of person you are in real life. Shame.
You don't have the authority so please don't talk on behalf of SSG.
It's not end of the world if SSG deny my request and no I won't quit just because of it like suggested by one troll above.
I will wait for SSG decission and won't feed the trolls here anymore.
Thank you.

If people do not agree, they must be a troll....