Is Retaking Pelargir Necessary

[istvana]

to open up the Eastern Gondor/Anorien epic quests? I know one can get all the epics after-battle without having done Pelargir but my understanding is you need Pelargir for the ones in the middle.

I ask because I dislike BBs and Pelargir is often buggy so if there is any way I can skip it without losing a few trait points I will. I am delighted to skip all the Rohan BBs since they give no trait points at all (other than the promotion trait points getting to 200).

Thanks.

[Arnenna]

to open up the Eastern Gondor/Anorien epic quests? I know one can get all the epics after-battle without having done Pelargir but my understanding is you need Pelargir for the ones in the middle.

I ask because I dislike BBs and Pelargir is often buggy so if there is any way I can skip it without losing a few trait points I will. I am delighted to skip all the Rohan BBs since they give no trait points at all (other than the promotion trait points getting to 200).

Thanks.

There are four trait points in Central Gondor. Its a long time since I did all C Gondor, but I'm running through it on an alt at the moment and just hit the quest to do Pele on the Epic. There is no trait point listed as a reweard for doing it. I have gained the trait point from Ringlo Vale and Lhinir already, and I believe the other two are in Lower Leb and Pele itself. I could be wrong though, and one may be on the Epic.

[gasconade]

to open up the Eastern Gondor/Anorien epic quests? I know one can get all the epics after-battle without having done Pelargir but my understanding is you need Pelargir for the ones in the middle.

I ask because I dislike BBs and Pelargir is often buggy so if there is any way I can skip it without losing a few trait points I will. I am delighted to skip all the Rohan BBs since they give no trait points at all (other than the promotion trait points getting to 200).

Thanks.

I'm not a fan of BBs either, but I would recommend playing this one. It's not that that hard, and seeing Aragorn leading the Army of the Dead into the city at the end of the scenario is worth the trouble, IMO.

[djheydt]

I'm not a fan of BBs either, but I would recommend playing this one. It's not that that hard, and seeing Aragorn leading the Army of the Dead into the city at the end of the scenario is worth the trouble, IMO.

You took the words right out of my fingers. It's such a splendid moment, worth all the fighting. I've not only done that battle with all my characters who have reached that point in the plot, but accompanied some of my husband's characters who don't want to solo it.

[kickman77]

easilly the best epic battle in the game and honestly feels more like a skirmish than an epic battle. Love the cuts with Aragorn (except the voice over irks me a bit but thats me)

As far as is it required? Yep, its the end of that epic chapter. (and you get some goodies after doing it once and talking to Aragorn and a nice cut scene (playable) thats awesome)

[DrOctothorpe]

Aw, shucks. You guys just made my day!

[Arnenna]

Aw, shucks. You guys just made my day!

Why? Are you the dev behind Pele BB? If so, then yes, it's the best out of all of them, and isn't at all negative. It's a fun run, with some lovely storyline.

[kickman77]

Aw, shucks. You guys just made my day!

If Pele is yours than /bow to you. Still my fav. Big (Epic) battle as the time inside is just right, the story flows, and you actually play your class not a gloridied pole repairman. So thanks for making my day as a player when you designed this instance.


If you keep reading this thread though (might be a bit off topic but if I got your ear) We need more FA drops in epic,. they are becoming rarer and raer (the symbols) and harder to acquire. Either that or add them to skirm camp

[Daniyel]

We need more FA drops in epic,. they are becoming rarer and raer (the symbols) and harder to acquire. Either that or add them to skirm camp

doing the first boss of throne on T2C (it stays at gray-level 105) takes less than 5 minutes and will net you up to TEN FA symbols, depending on how generous the rest of your raid is...

[Palenen]

doing the first boss of throne on T2C (it stays at gray-level 105) takes less than 5 minutes and will net you up to TEN FA symbols, depending on how generous the rest of your raid is...

blasphemy! you mean to tell me that you can't solo this at 115 with raid level gear? Guh!

im sorry.

I'll agree, Retaking Pelegir was the most fun out of all of them.

[DrOctothorpe]

So thanks for making my day as a player when you designed this instance.

I realize "best Epic Battle" wouldn't count as a compliment to everyone, but I'll take it! :-)

We need more FA drops in epic,. they are becoming rarer and raer (the symbols) and harder to acquire.

Request for FAs noted. We'll look into that.

[Arnenna]

I realize "best Epic Battle" wouldn't count as a compliment to everyone, but I'll take it! :-)


Request for FAs noted. We'll look into that.

Well, it is, by a long chalk, the best of all of them, and thanks for taking note on the symbols.

[Rimenuir]

I realize "best Epic Battle" wouldn't count as a compliment to everyone, but I'll take it! :-)


Request for FAs noted. We'll look into that.

It truly is a ton of fun, one of my favorites!

And awesome! Look forward to seeing how this could be implemented!

[djheydt]

...(and you get some goodies after doing it once and talking to Aragorn and a nice cut scene (playable) thats awesome)

If you mean the scene on shipboard ... Ohhhhhh yes. It is comparable (on a smaller scale) to the delight I feel every time I see the ships sail up the Anduin. (Plus a touch of Schadenfreude; it is nice to see the bad guys get their comeuppance.)

[istvana]

I entirely agree that Pelargir is the best big battle.

Scenes like the one with Aragorn entering are wonderful the first few times but after many alts I can live with skipping them.

I know that it gives no trait points, but the question was whether Pelagir is required to trigger the Eastern Gondor line of epic quests ending in Minas Tirith.

Does anyone knoiw?

[Sito_Origami]

It took me several tries to get through this one, but as it was part of the epic quest line, I didn't feel like I could just abandon it. I was glad I did because I enjoyed the epic quests further down the line in Minas Tirith and Ithilien a great deal.

[DrOctothorpe]

the question was whether Pelagir is required to trigger the Eastern Gondor line of epic quests ending in Minas Tirith

Oh wait, I can answer that. The Epic Battle is required at the end of Vol IV Book 2. However, there is an on-ramp for Book 4, so you could technically skip it and get straight to Minas Tirith. That would make MadeOfLions sad, though, as some key Gothmog plot development takes place in Book 3.

[istvana]

Thanks.

The epic series is a very nice way to go through Eastern Gondor, especially if one already has enough experience that one doesn't want to do every quest. Even for a 10th or 20th character I would rather not skip entire zones though I'm perfectly willing to just ...skim them.

And from a practical perspective the epic gives much better rewards starting with Gondor than it did earlier.

[Generos]

Oh wait, I can answer that. The Epic Battle is required at the end of Vol IV Book 2. However, there is an on-ramp for Book 4, so you could technically skip it and get straight to Minas Tirith. That would make MadeOfLions sad, though, as some key Gothmog plot development takes place in Book 3.

Will you make a new epic battles?

[kickman77]

I realize "best Epic Battle" wouldn't count as a compliment to everyone, but I'll take it! :-)


Request for FAs noted. We'll look into that.

Thank you. It is seriously needed. Getting a group for Throne is not as easy for me, and having them available in skirm camp (I mean its been 2 years since they were introduced maybe deed gate them behind the epic battles or something) or dropping more frequently in other instances would make alting much easier

If you mean the scene on shipboard ... Ohhhhhh yes. It is comparable (on a smaller scale) to the delight I feel every time I see the ships sail up the Anduin. (Plus a touch of Schadenfreude; it is nice to see the bad guys get their comeuppance.)

I did, I also meant where he releases the Army of the Dead. Very well done moment in Lotro.

Oh wait, I can answer that. The Epic Battle is required at the end of Vol IV Book 2. However, there is an on-ramp for Book 4, so you could technically skip it and get straight to Minas Tirith. That would make MadeOfLions sad, though, as some key Gothmog plot development takes place in Book 3.

Yeah... The Osgiliath Epic alone is worth it... especially the final instance when gothmog makes himself known was an epic suprise I still praise MoL for.

Will you make a new epic battles?

Same question

[siipperi]

Why should first agers be available like cadies. One can use 3/2nd age weapon if they dont want to grind for it... Otherwise do BBs or raids. Simple as that.

[Arnenna]

Thank you. It is seriously needed. Getting a group for Throne is not as easy for me, and having them available in skirm camp (I mean its been 2 years since they were introduced maybe deed gate them behind the epic battles or something) or dropping more frequently in other instances would make alting much easier



I did, I also meant where he releases the Army of the Dead. Very well done moment in Lotro.



Yeah... The Osgiliath Epic alone is worth it... especially the final instance when gothmog makes himself known was an epic suprise I still praise MoL for.



Same question

Agreed, symbols shouldn't be gated behind just the raid (especially as it's now an old raid) as a guaranteed item. The drop rate in BB's is practically non existent nowadays, but if they can address just that even, then that's fine with me.

The whole epic is exactly as it says on the tin - EPIC. The best part of any area IMO, even though some areas are really great, outside of the epics.

If we do have to have more Epic Battles, I'd hope for Pele style also.

[siipperi]

Agreed, symbols shouldn't be gated behind just the raid (especially as it's now an old raid) as a guaranteed item. The drop rate in BB's is practically non existent nowadays, but if they can address just that even, then that's fine with me.

The whole epic is exactly as it says on the tin - EPIC. The best part of any area IMO, even though some areas are really great, outside of the epics.

If we do have to have more Epic Battles, I'd hope for Pele style also.

Symbols aren't just gated behind "the raid" they drop from raids, available for raid currency and BBs. That's fine. Why this game should turn even more of old good content absolutely irrelevant?

[Oelle]

So, now that so many people declare Pelargir for the best epic battle... I think its okay to disagree (didnt wanna do that earlier).
imo, Pelargir is much more a skirmish than an epic battle. its a nice skirmish. but there nothing of the epic battle feeling that I like.
I like epic battles generally and think its sad that they arent worth doing anymore, but pelargir just isnt really an epic battle.

btw: it would be great to merge the systems of skirms and epic battles. like, being able to chose groupsize and difficulty and getting scaled to the same level while getting rewards for the actual playerlevel. that would be awesome.
it would be even more nice, if the setting for such a skirmish-battle was defending a player-build kinship-castle on the borders of gondor where the siegeweapons one has available depend on what the players created.

[siipperi]

So, now that so many people declare Pelargir for the best epic battle... I think its okay to disagree (didnt wanna do that earlier).
imo, Pelargir is much more a skirmish than an epic battle. its a nice skirmish. but there nothing of the epic battle feeling that I like.
I like epic battles generally and think its sad that they arent worth doing anymore, but pelargir just isnt really an epic battle.

btw: it would be great to merge the systems of skirms and epic battles. like, being able to chose groupsize and difficulty and getting scaled to the same level while getting rewards for the actual playerlevel. that would be awesome.
it would be even more nice, if the setting for such a skirmish-battle was defending a player-build kinship-castle on the borders of gondor where the siegeweapons one has available depend on what the players created.

6 man pelargir was nice before it got nerffed to ground. Only BB that required any form of cooperation and usage of BB trait trees in cooperated fashion. You can do BBs for 1st age item that's about it, and some people want to take importance of that away from them which is just stupid. We need more content which is relevant, not less. Add to that list FIs and so on.

It's astonishing to me how fast they label content irrelevant to run and often changes that would require to make them relevant are in style of few hour work. Few hour work to make FI loot relevant on 115 level to get good 20-30 minutes extra time per day investment from thousands of players seems like good usage of dev time. It could be even as easy as max level FI awards one 80 ash. Immediately people run FI once again and purchase quest packs for instances. This is simply something I can't comprehend why leave such things irrelevant for months-years when often solution is in style of coffee break fix.