Emergence Beorning TLC Needed

[qrcc]

Hi All,

I really like the Beorning, but it needs some TLC from devs, being a Jack of all trades DPS/heal/tank and a master on none is not viable within lotro. My personal opinion would be to lower one of the three effects and boost another, for example, give lower dps and rais healing/tanking ability (we have enough DPS in the game).

Also, the animation needs work, from doing a personal heal (Hearten) to a stat buff (Ferocious Roar) it can take 2 seconds from start to finish, as we all know this is a long time in a fight.

[Happychappy]

A tank/dps wouldd be better. I never understood why the beorning was a healer in the first place.

There are more spots for dps in raids than there are for healer/tanks.

Animations definitely need speeding up.

You could've added this onto existing threads tbh.

[qrcc]

A tank/dps wouldd be better. I never understood why the beorning was a healer in the first place.

There are more spots for dps in raids than there are for healer/tanks.

Animations definitely need speeding up.

You could've added this onto existing threads tbh.

Thank you for your feedback, I do like the healing and tanking, and personally, I think they would go well as they are always looked for. Also, I did add it in an existing thread; if you did not see it then this one is justified

[AaronIU]

A tank/dps wouldd be better.

They already have two of these, they’re called a Wardens and Champions. They both accomplish similar goals in very different ways and are both very useful in small groups as tanks/off tanks where you can run hybrid setups. Wardens can main tank or run full dps.. no reason a Beorning would fill those roles. No other class can heal/tank which makes it unique... stay unique.

[laughatdo0m]

No other class can heal/tank which makes it unique... stay unique.

With the slight exception of captains, whom do both at once while in Tank Spec

[Happychappy]

They already have two of these, they’re called a Wardens and Champions. They both accomplish similar goals in very different ways and are both very useful in small groups as tanks/off tanks where you can run hybrid setups. Wardens can main tank or run full dps.. no reason a Beorning would fill those roles. No other class can heal/tank which makes it unique... stay unique.

So you imagine a huge bear as a healer???

It turns into a bear, how unique do you want?

[Joedangod]

Why limit things to 1/2/3 lines? All 3 should be viable and competitive in their designated role, same with every class.

[AaronIU]

So you imagine a huge bear as a healer???

It turns into a bear, how unique do you want?

So you want to do the same thing two other classes do, and probably (knowing the pattern of the devs) be subpar at it? Not only will the devs mess that up, because they will, if you don’t believe me look how other classes faired after their revamps, but you’ll be useless to groups. Champs and wardens have more utility, and experience, nearly a decade for most players, doing it. So like I said, be unique, you have more than enough dps for PVE/landscape. You just won’t beat a warden or champ for those roles in a raid.

[Happychappy]

Why limit things to 1/2/3 lines? All 3 should be viable and competitive in their designated role, same with every class.

They should, but the developers seem to struggle with actually achieving this.

[Happychappy]

So you want to do the same thing two other classes do, and probably (knowing the pattern of the devs) be subpar at it? Not only will the devs mess that up, because they will, if you don’t believe me look how other classes faired after their revamps, but you’ll be useless to groups. Champs and wardens have more utility, and experience, nearly a decade for most players, doing it. So like I said, be unique, you have more than enough dps for PVE/landscape. You just won’t beat a warden or champ for those roles in a raid.

It just does not fit the class. A class based off Beorn. He was not known as a healer, unlike Elrond. He was a big burly man with a big axe that could turn into a huge bear and actually tore apart Bolg and his bodyguard. That has tank/dps stamped all over it lol.

So be a tank/ healer and do what other classes can do anyway? even if it doesn't fit the Beorning. And do them badly according to you because the developers can't do a decent revamp. Perhaps make the Warden a healer, that actually suits the class better. They are Wardens, protecting and preserving etc that has tank/healer stamped all over it!.

The Beorning is a shapeshifter and that is unique. You are more concerned with stepping on other class roles, which exists in the game anyway.

No one in their right minds would expect to turn into a Huge Bear then run around healing people. Its ludicrous but it happens i guess :P.

[Estelrandir]

No one in their right minds would expect to turn into a Huge Bear then run around healing people. Its ludicrous but it happens i guess :P.

Well, we have morale and my morale would be extremely high if I had a big bear fighting on my side. So running around and healing sounds stupid. But running around and increasing morale sounds pretty good to me.

The Beorning is a shapeshifter and that is unique.

Being shapeshifter is unique, but shapeshifting needs to be translating in interesting fighting mechanic, otherwise it would be just outfit change, nothing more.

[Hildilas]

A tank/dps wouldd be better. I never understood why the beorning was a healer in the first place.

There are more spots for dps in raids than there are for healer/tanks.
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No. You know why? No matter what they fix the Beo will NEVER ever be a better melee DD than a warden or even champion and def. not a better DD than a hunter or runekeeper. It is not possible.
He also won't surpass a guardian/warden/captain as a tank.

I am able to heal T3 3 mans and support T3 6 man and I hope they won't take that away because the Beo would be the next melee class that is not needed in this game. Nobody will chose a beo dd for their group.

The class needs a few fixes (traits, skills, leg items) and some balancing ...no overhaul.

At this point the "lore" doesn't matter you know? They needed to delete the class and create it in a new way to make it a DD - which we DO NOT NEED in this game.

[Happychappy]

Well, we have morale and my morale would be extremely high if I had a big bear fighting on my side. So running around and healing sounds stupid. But running around and increasing morale sounds pretty good to me.





Being shapeshifter is unique, but shapeshifting needs to be translating in interesting fighting mechanic, otherwise it would be just outfit change, nothing more.

Thats just a silly lame argument lol. Cant believe you actually thought about that and typed it out.

Obviously.

[Happychappy]

No. You know why? No matter what they fix the Beo will NEVER ever be a better melee DD than a warden or even champion and def. not a better DD than a hunter or runekeeper. It is not possible.
He also won't surpass a guardian/warden/captain as a tank.

I am able to heal T3 3 mans and support T3 6 man and I hope they won't take that away because the Beo would be the next melee class that is not needed in this game. Nobody will chose a beo dd for their group.

The class needs a few fixes (traits, skills, leg items) and some balancing ...no overhaul.

At this point the "lore" doesn't matter you know? They needed to delete the class and create it in a new way to make it a DD - which we DO NOT NEED in this game.

There a far more DD spots in raids than there are tanks or healers. upto 10x more

Wont? how do you know what a Beorning will become? anything is possible.

Yellow trait line is doing fine....ish. The other 2 are not. They need an overhaul really and many others say the same.

Lets just have eagles and dragons as mounts next and a half troll class that is a healer, boosts my morale by just having a troll in the group :P Get real! lol

[Halphast]

Why limit things to 1/2/3 lines? All 3 should be viable and competitive in their designated role, same with every class.

What's the point of having different classes if every class can fill every role equally? Just to see different animations? Sounds like D&D 5e...

[Happychappy]

What's the point of having different classes if every class can fill every role equally? Just to see different animations? Sounds like D&D 5e...

I think he means that all the trait lines should be viable. If a class has a dps line then it should be able to fill a dps role, like wise for tanking /healing etc.

A champ could fill a tanking role in blue line and a guardian a dps role in red line for example. Neither would be healers as neither of them have a dedicated healing trait line.

I suppose you could say "why cant my Champ tank if it has a tank trait line?"

I would settle with at least one viable role and a decent, maybe not optimal secondary role myself. A yellow Guardian would be what? for example. But any balance would be better.

[Hildilas]

There a far more DD spots in raids than there are tanks or healers. upto 10x more

Wont? how do you know what a Beorning will become? anything is possible.

Yellow trait line is doing fine....ish. The other 2 are not. They need an overhaul really and many others say the same.

Lets just have eagles and dragons as mounts next and a half troll class that is a healer, boosts my morale by just having a troll in the group :P Get real! lol

1. Aehm...Most groups are looking for supporters though? I got my raid full with DDs in seconds and got like 20 ims or sth...When I was looking for a captain or sth it took really long and it was hard to find a decent one. There are more DD spots YES but there are also like A LOT MORE players that play a DD. That's how it is in every MMO.
2. Vastin: As for what I'm going to change about the class - the answer is, probably not a huge amount.
3. The lore in lotro is actually broken since day one. So... If a beo comes to the battlefield everyone around def. gets a higher morale and hope and so on so the healing role is okay I guess.

[Happychappy]

1. Aehm...Most groups are looking for supporters though? I got my raid full with DDs in seconds and got like 20 ims or sth...When I was looking for a captain or sth it took really long and it was hard to find a decent one. There are more DD spots YES but there are also like A LOT MORE players that play a DD. That's how it is in every MMO.
2. Vastin: As for what I'm going to change about the class - the answer is, probably not a huge amount.
3. The lore in lotro is actually broken since day one. So... If a beo comes to the battlefield everyone around def. gets a higher morale and hope and so on so the healing role is okay I guess.

That has more to do with how the game has developed. Dps is king, so most roll a dps class.

Thats because Vastin is clueless about the class obviously. They need to try play the class sometime.

Beorning is the best low level healer in the game by a massive margin. The Mini (healer) is a far better dps at low level. Go figure lol.

The balance is horrendous.

Then why does the High elf not give morale just for being in a group? its a high elf. Might be a champ but it should give us morale just for being there as the High elves ROCK!!!! :P

[mrfigglesworth]

What's the point of having different classes if every class can fill every role equally? Just to see different animations? Sounds like D&D 5e...

flavor.

[FastPablo]

What's the point of having different classes if every class can fill every role equally? Just to see different animations? Sounds like D&D 5e...

What's the point of playing a video game? Just to see flashing lights on a fragile screen? Sounds like foolishness to me...

[Joedangod]

What's the point of having different classes if every class can fill every role equally? Just to see different animations? Sounds like D&D 5e...

What's the point of having multiple traitlines if only one is ever going to get used?

The class = role template died with Helms Deep yet people think it's a good idea to try apply it to the current system. Know what that results in? Over half the traitlines seeing little to no use, regardless of how much people enjoy them.