Essence of the thick hide - working?

[dsltn07]

Removing all feedback posts.

[ColMcStacky]

I'd also be interested in hearing if this one works properly... I don't know if anyone even uses it anymore. I can see it being helpful though. I'd personally get a bow from Throne and put it on there as a swappy, as current bows don't really give too much of a benefit, there won't be a very large loss.

[Estelrandir]

Last time I checked (sometime on bullroarer during 3rd or 4th round) it worked. The thing is, under current situation it is rather useless.


We have very low chances to evade because we prefer to slot reductions essences instead of avoidance essences. But this also means low chance on procs.

If you have 15% chance on evade and 15% chance on procs, it means the real chance for procs is 2,25% which is every 44-45th attack on you.

The heal is powerful but the chance is too low in my eyes. The situation is slightly better against bigger group of enemies (more enemies = more attacks per minute = procs come quicklier), but against single target boss you can have it like once every few minutes.


Just for comparison:

If you had 23% chance to evade (13% cap + 10% counter), the procs would come ca every 29th attack half the time. 51st-52nd attack in other half time (without counter).

And if partial evade counts too, (not sure about it, never explicitly tested it), then we have 23%+13%+10% = 46%, and that would mean procs every 14-15th attack (with counter) and 18-19th attack otherwise.

[Estelrandir]

Well, there is 10s cd, so it can come rather every 20s (10s cd + some time until the next procs).


True, in larger group of enemies it gets better but groups with 8 or more enemies are seldom. Thus it is very situational.

[ColMcStacky]

Well, there is 10s cd, so it can come rather every 20s (10s cd + some time until the next procs).


True, in larger group of enemies it gets better but groups with 8 or more enemies are seldom. Thus it is very situational.

Yeah, it's definitely situational. That's why I'd put it in the essence slot on a golden Throne bow. That way, you can even switch it in and out while in combat if you want.

Just for comparison:

If you had 23% chance to evade (13% cap + 10% counter), the procs would come ca every 29th attack half the time. 51st-52nd attack in other half time (without counter).

And if partial evade counts too, (not sure about it, never explicitly tested it), then we have 23%+13%+10% = 46%, and that would mean procs every 14-15th attack (with counter) and 18-19th attack otherwise.

If the essence can proc on partials as well as full Evades, then I would definitely say it's worth it for AoE pulls. I'm pretty sure that it would, now that I think about it. Many other avoidance procs in the game do seem to work on partials as well as full avoidances.


On a side note, since I can't have a tank build with Bear Up (yellow capstone) anymore, I made a new trait line that picks up Composure with 4/5 points invested in it. If you want good self healing, this seems to be the way to go. With Hearten (and associated healing traits in yellow) and Composure, I was getting anywhere from 5-7k HPS on myself while tanking. With Composure (at 4.5% heal) now, I've been getting upwards of 8-11k HPS. And this is without giving up Thickened Hide or Thunderous Roar.

I also trait 2/3 points in Assertive Roar for +10% max morale because I need a stepping stone in blue, and I figure it increases Composure's heal by 10%. Still going to be doing some testing to see if I can make it any more optimal for a self-healing build, but it seems pretty strong at the moment. Granted this is a situational build when you don't want/need the support that yellow offers, but it can definitely still be useful depending on group comp and such.

[Estelrandir]

Granted this is a situational build when you don't want/need the support that yellow offers, but it can definitely still be useful depending on group comp and such.

This.

Percentage heal with high morale is strong, and with a lot of moral even stronger. But as you mentioned, you are loosing some nice utility skills from yellow, so one needs to adjust to current situation in which he/she is.


To partials - I have feeling it works on partials, even our counter procs (activation of counterattack) works on partial evade. But since it is just my feel, I don´t want to state it as 100% true.

The thing is, how much evade one does have? Because all tanks are prioritizing the reductions essences, the values of evasions can be quite low. Not sure by myself, I don´t have tank equip yet. But if it is around 16-17% combined, we are still in the situation above, where we need like group at least of 8. Don´t forget, that enemies have finesse, too and t2-t3 buff which bypasses some of these values, so usually the avasion percentage is lower than we see in tooltips in our character screen.

[Pavlin]

I saw a post about the nature’s roar essence and wanted to ask separately if the thick hide essence is working properly. Does anyone know? Increasing the healing power from counter would be handy for my tank build now I’ve gotten 200k both mits.

It works.
Do its usefull, yes.
Do is BiS? No.
I do use it but with dedicated healer you better use some vit or mits or even some finese one.