@Vastin please remember to balance for the future

[Hildilas]

Red line is pretty bad, and yellow is somewhat mediocre now. Leave my blue line the hell alone.

Yes, I had tested T1 and T2 glimmer (both in 3 man, just me), I think the 17% was from T2, I used crits from the troll skill punt as my baseline, and always used the 40% roar.

This leads into what you suggested about slam, and how it also only affects mob mastery, which means instead of 10%, I’d guess it’s probably ~1-2% in practice. The same goes for claw swipe. Meaning, that a change like you suggest would be pretty meaningless. Further, swapping into man for slam debuff in T2 as tank is generally a bad idea unless it’s something like Isvítha and she’s got an eye on someone so you won’t be hit.

Just wanted to point out that a we have a Beo + Mini/RK healing our T2 raid perfectly fine.
Does not mean it should not be smoothened but "medicore" is underrated.

Not sure about red line and If they should waste time on it. I do not really see a Beo taken as a DD No Matter what they fix. I think it is good enough for leveling.

I have seen blue bears tanking 3/6 man on T3, too. This is just Not the most famous tree either. The mits and the panic are quite nice and aggro management is also better than on other tanking classes.

The Bear needs tweaks - yes, but he is in a far better state overall than in Mordor.

[Hildilas]

Can still do it, yes. Mediocre? Yes. Bear has no tank saving skills when healing, heal maintenance was cut, and the other two healing classes are now far stronger.

We have had very detailed discussion about red line and how simple it would be to fix. Read before you discount.

Bear got some much needed bug fixes, better state than Mordor? Ehhh no. Clearly you don’t understand blue line either, I can main tank anvil T2 on my bear, leave it the F alone. It’s our least well-known, but strongest spec atm.

Yes..I read. Still there are more important things than the Red beo and as a melee class it would be a Lot harder anyways...I also did Not say anything Bad about blue???? I Said it is quite good but Not many players are playing a main Beo Tank.
I will not answer you again anyway because you Always get a little rude and / or do not understand my intentions :3

[Happychappy]

I’m hostile to the idea of any “fixes” being done to my main class anymore. Blue line for bear is the strongest and most balanced of its lines at this time, I don’t appreciate any prospective “fixes” (nerfs) that might come from suggesting bear tank changes.

I was not trying to be rude. You did discount our entire trait line however, though in your other post said that Beo main role is a dps class. I was trying to say that you should read the detailed dps and red line discussion threads on Beo forums before you say it’s useless and takes a lot of work.

I dont think the Beorning will see any more work lol. Vastin obviously thinks he/shes done a good job :P. Execute is a joke.