Minas Morgul Pre-Sale has Begun! Discussion thread

[Spydre]

Guess I'll be taking a break until March like I did with Mordor.

[Ballie]

At 500 LP a month, prefect timing

[Othniel]

Overpriced again, but at least the base version comes with the new race and character slot. Would be reasonable if they'd included 5k LP or something like they used to.

[istvana]

They haven't given LP in a long time. I remember making the same suggestion for the Mordor pre-order and was told then that this wasn't they wat they had been doing things.

[NeebPlayer]

I don't get the issue.

Maybe watch the interview. It has some funny moments, I promise.

[Lord.Funk]

Now that the first impression has settled a bit I'm acctually not sure what I will do. Usually I order the biggest edition without much doubt for my son and I. I usually get collectors edition of games when available, even if it's only for some real size helmet or some figurine to have in our book-shelf.

HOWEVER with this expansion, I don't like the cosmetics or mounts at all. Just like with the Mordor ones that my son or I haven't used at all from the Ultimate bundles i got us. I like cosmetics usually, just that these types of designs are not my style at all. Compared to RoI, RoR and HD cosmetics these are nowhere near that style or grace. These are screaming flashy, looks to over-designed and more like some masquerade outfits. The Valar to 120 will be useless for me unless can be used on a 120 character for the included bonuses, vxp etc (if there are any). I have no intention of playing the stout-axes to 120 as there is no new class, not even the warden class playable etc.

I also was not looking forward to a level cap raise, as I was just barely starting to catch up and had gotten to complete boss 3 in Anvil T2 (tonight we were planning on trying last boss before locks reset), but then tonight no one would run it anymore due to these release news. No one will bother to grind content that will reward gear that is outdated in a month for a new grind to start. So i guess I will never get to complet Anvil T2 I guess. Same with Thrang that I was looking forward to tomorrow. I had prepared 3 characters to be able to do it every day to get the 120 gold pocket items. I guess that will be pointless now and maybe even hard to find groups for after todays release news.

If this region also comes with LoE that will make all other older, classic etc, content useless as it does not drop LoE on gear (just like mordor did), it will makes end-game limited to only the instances that drop stuff with LoE. That also makes me not look forward to it.

The new aura thing looks hideous from the screenshots I've seen in these forums and not like some subtle classy weapon glow. Yes we only have one to chose from so far but it's like really bright baby blue and not subtle at all. Maybe more subtle colour will come in the future, or we could get neon greens and pinks etc. Who knows ???

Really at a loss as what to do ??? My gut feeling is that I might play through the quests on one character and then let the rest in storage until next expansion comes that do not have LoE (radiance 2.0). Just like I did with Mordor and then skipped all other characters and only did the areas after Mordor with all of them (iron hills and ered mithrin). That seem like really not worth the price of the expansion, as there is nothing for me but to play one character until it's through the area and hope we get a new expansion and leave the place.

Maybe in march when the instances and raids comes I have caved in and will participate in the gear rat-race again, but it feels like it's a losing battle and I doubt I will. I never did with Mordor, but i did with Ered Mithrin and Vales, but never get a chance to fully catch up before it's outdated. Had I not had many 120 alts to do weekly embers with I would never had even been close to catching up (unless I'd bought lootbox keys, which I won't, so I guess working as intended). It's like one has to live in the game 24/7 to keep up. Or buy lootbox keys and I'm not going down that route ever. I play a game to acctually play it and if I can't earn things in-game then I won't get it and if i don't enjoy it I won't play it either. I have no issue paying for my hobby and past time leisure (expansions etc) but only if it's fun.

I am in a variety of discord channels. Some Kin ones, some alliances, some other and the reception in there so far from people (not all as many says nothing at all) made me seem like the positive and optimistic one when the news hit. Most have the same concerns about a new gear rat-race, thats it's too soon and now no one will run T5's anymore (glimmer, cavers etc) or even Anvil T2, as there is no point anymore. Not heard anyone that likes the cosmetics and mounts so far. People seem indifferent to the stout-axes too as they come with no new class. Only one person said they would make a burglar. Only one person that liked a cloak. That is all. Some even talking of leaving the game after todays news.

I feel disheartened by others reactions. And my own feelings about it all as well after some thinking and reading others reactions. Maybe I'm the only one that gets affected that way by seeing gaming friends feel that way. Others might just shrug their shoulders and not care.

Oh well maybe tomorrow things will feel better. I dunno.

[Sovereign50]

That's 179$ Canadian Funds, this is ridiculous! Cant something be done about this SSG?

Could be worse, it's $190+ in Australian dollars (which is ridiculous). I'm still waiting to hear if the high elf earring and dead city earring XP bonuses both stack.

[Valakircka]

anyone knows if we ll have more lvls on characters or/and LIs?????
hoping we dont!

[NeebPlayer]

Now that the first impression has settled a bit I'm acctually not sure what I will do. Usually I order the biggest edition without mcuh doubt for my son and I. I usually get collectors eddition of games when available, even if it's only for some real ize helmet or some figuine to have in the book-shelf.

HOWEVER with this expansion, I don't like the cosmetics or mounts at all. Just like with the Mordor ones that my son or I haven't used at all from the Ultimate bundles i got us. I like cosmetics usually, just that these types of designs are not my style at all. Compared to RoI, RoR and HD cosmetics these are nowhere near that style or grace. These are screaming flashy, looks to over-designed and more like some masquerade outfits. The Valar to 120 will be useless for me unless can be used on a 120 character for the included bonuses, vxp etc (if there are any). I have no intention of playing the stout-axes to 120 as there is no new class, not even the warden class playable etc.

I also was not looking forward to a level cap raise, as I was just barely starting to catch up and had gotten to complete boss 3 in Anvil T2 (tonight we were planning on trying last boss before locks reset), but then tonight no one would run it anymore due to these release news. No one will bother to grind content that will reward gear that is outdated in a month for a new grind to start. So i guess I will never get to complet Anvil T2 I guess. Same with Thrang that I was looking forward to tomorrow. I had prepared 3 characters to be able to do it every day to get the 120 gold pocket items. I guess that will be pointless now and maybe even hard to find groups for after todays release news.

If this region also comes with LoE that will make all other older, classic etc, content useless as it does not drop LoE on gear (just like mordor did), it will makes end-game limited to only the instances that drop stuff with LoE. That also makes me not look forward to it.

The new aura thing looks hideous from the screenshots I've seen in these forums and not like some subtle classy weapon glow. Yes we only have one to chose from so far but it's like really bright baby blue and not subtle at all. Maybe more subtle colour will come in the future, or we could get neon greens and pinks etc. Who knows ???

Really at a loss as what to do ??? My gut feeling is that I might play through the quests on one character and then let the rest in storage until next expansion comes that do not have LoE (radiance 2.0). Just like I did with Mordor and then skipped all other characters and only did the areas after Mordor with all of them (iron hills and ered mithrin). That seem like really not worth the price of the expansion, as there is nothing for me but to play one character until it's through the area and hope we get a new expansion and leave the place.

Maybe in march when the instances and raids comes I have caved in and will participate in the gear rat-race again, but it feels like it's a losing battle and I doubt I will. I never did with Mordor, but i did with Ered Mithrin and Vales, but never get a chance to fully catch up before it's outdated. Had I not had many 120 alts to do weekly embers with I would never had even been close to catching up (unless I'd bought lootbox keys, which I won't, so I guess working as intended). It's like one has to live in the game 24/7 to keep up. Or buy lootbox keys and I'm not going down that route ever. I play a game to acctually play it and if I can't earn things in-game then I won't get it and if i don't enjoy it I won't play it either. I have no issue paying for my hobby and past time leisure (expansions etc) but only if it's fun.

I am in a variety of discord channels. Some Kin ones, some alliances, some other and the reception in there so far from people (not all as many says nothing at all) made me seem like the positive and optimistic one when the news hit. Most have the same concerns about a new gear rat-race, thats it's too soon and now no one will run T5's anymore (glimmer, cavers etc) or even Anvil T2, as there is no point anymore. Not heard anyone that likes the cosmetics and mounts so far. People seem indifferent to the stout-axes too as they come with no new class. Only one person said they would make a burglar. Only one person that liked a cloak. That is all. Some even talking of leaving the game after todays news.

I feel disheartened by others reactions. And my own feelings about it all as well after some thinking and reading others reactions. Maybe I'm the only one that gets affected that way by seeing gaming friends feel that way. Others might just shrug their shoulders and not care.

Oh well maybe tomorrow things will feel better. I dunno.

My friend. I'm sure you are a very fast typist.

Just consider this. They are charging full price for the expansion, with an option to pay more than triple the price for people who are out of their minds. I repeated they are charging full price. It's not a f2p game until next March. And yet, they will monetize it according to the f2p model: impossible grind + loot boxes. Don't you feel like you are being charged twice for the same thing. It's like you order something online and you pay with your credit card, then they send it COD with a message that the price has doubled.

People used to know the difference between b2p and f2p.

[NeebPlayer]

anyone knows if we ll have more lvls on characters or/and LIs?????
hoping we dont!

New lvl cap is 130 confirmed. New legacy tiers? You bet your ###.

[Lord.Funk]

anyone knows if we ll have more lvls on characters or/and LIs?????
hoping we dont!

It says in the info 10 more levels, so yes 130 will be the new character cap. At least someone quoted it somewhere.

Found it:

https://lotro.com/en/minasithil/

It's if You scroll down and read under one of the 6 images there.

Level Cap Increase
______

Reach character level 130 with the launch of the expansion!

As for LI's. Considering that already the 120 normal weapons (non li) have more dps than the LI's it would be hard to not add more levels to the LI's to add more dps to be on par with LvL 130 content.

[Narthalion]

Just consider this. They are charging full price for the expansion, with an option to pay more than triple the price for people who are out of their minds.

lol I would absolutely LOVE to see a commercial for the new expansion made out of this phrase!

[Occum]

I guess I'm a whale ?
I went with the top-level pre-order. I'm not into cosmetics, I don't care about titles, but I can use some of the other doo-dads.
I've been a VIP for 12 years, but I've only bought LPs on top of my 500/month twice I think.

Yep, I'm fortunate that I can spend on average about $200 USD per year (VIP/expansions/occasional on-sale LPs), but it's something I use on average 4 or so days per week. I think it's a bargain. It's less than a lot of people spend on coffee at Dunkin Donuts each year, and it's much less than many folks spend on other types of entertainment.

As far as the October release date...yeah I doubt it. But I have only one character (who I'm not playing these days) close to that content anyway (lvl 116) so I don't care if it's late. And by the time I get there all of you will have worked out the bugs - thanks!

[DaxArya]

Could be worse, it's $190+ in Australian dollars (which is ridiculous). I'm still waiting to hear if the high elf earring and dead city earring XP bonuses both stack.

Yes, it is crazy over-priced for those of us with an unfavourable exchange rate, which is something we have absolutely zero control over. Would be far more reasonable to at least make the prices local currency. Yes, I am aware that Standing Stone are American, and want to get the same amount of USD per purchase, but given the realities of world economics this is a pretty unreasonable expectation. As it is, my hubby would probably divorce me if I spent almost $200 Australian dollars for a shiny set of armour (the rest if the ultimate pack is of no interest to me).

I'm sure the usual "you don't have to get the highest price one" responses will abound, but consider that there is a massive difference between $130 and $200 (give or take depending on the day) for just an expansion pack. I really like the new cosmetics, but not $200 like. The choice for me will once again be between the base pack, which isn't worth as much without the high-valued valar item, or just waiting it out until it is in the store, like I did with Mordor.

It's a shame, I really wanted to be able to justify spending my money this time around.

[Bakenellan]

I have many issues with this announcement but as most were already voiced over by others I'll just comment that there is zero incentive to actually pre-order unless you are desperate to help SSG or perhaps want to show off new cosmetics before everyone else. Same as with Mordor. All bundles will still be available after release intact so why hurry?

I was never an early bird so I'll wait till release and then see if I want to pay and how much. While $130 and even $200 is not that much money by itself (though not everyone lives in the first world and even than may not have the luxury to spend that much at once) there a lot of competition where to put them

[LotroVidz]

I guess I'm a whale ?
I went with the top-level pre-order. I'm not into cosmetics, I don't care about titles, but I can use some of the other doo-dads.
I've been a VIP for 12 years, but I've only bought LPs on top of my 500/month twice I think.

Yep, I'm fortunate that I can spend on average about $200 USD per year (VIP/expansions/occasional on-sale LPs), but it's something I use on average 4 or so days per week. I think it's a bargain. It's less than a lot of people spend on coffee at Dunkin Donuts each year, and it's much less than many folks spend on other types of entertainment.

As far as the October release date...yeah I doubt it. But I have only one character (who I'm not playing these days) close to that content anyway (lvl 116) so I don't care if it's late. And by the time I get there all of you will have worked out the bugs - thanks!

I think a lot of people could spend that money, but it's an insane price for something we doesnt even know the quality of. And if you look at prior releases like mordor it was released in a horrible state. I would gladly spend that money if I knew it was a quality product, I'm pretty sure that wont be the case. There is no way that we get any instances with the release if there is only 4 weeks beta.. also they will add p2w gearing system for a full priced expansion. Red flags are everywhere my friend.

[Arnenna]

I think a lot of people could spend that money, but it's an insane price for something we doesnt even know the quality of. And if you look at prior releases like mordor it was released in a horrible state. I would gladly spend that money if I knew it was a quality product, I'm pretty sure that wont be the case. There is no way that we get any instances with the release if there is only 4 weeks beta.. also they will add p2w gearing system for a full priced expansion. Red flags are everywhere my friend.

Years ago I would have bought an expac or any content pack if I hadn't been VP on blind faith, knowing that even if it came with bugs, the content would be ready to play. Play would reward all the gear, and no need for a double dip into the purse to get it.

Mordor taught me (and plenty of others) a valuable lesson though. All we know about Minas Morgul so far is what we will look like. We have no idea of what we will play like, what stats we will have, or need, we don't even know what things like Valar item will bring. That's the epitome of "blind faith", but I'm not that much of a believer since Mordor.

This thing needs to hit beta - and fast, but I'm sure they will give "blind faith" a bit of a run first, as it will potentially catch people that may not buy when they actually see what they are buying.

The fact that they haven't released even the slightest peep of this on BR for public feedback, is the first, but very loud alarm bell for me. It means the product has been tested and feedback has been provided by a small select group of players, and they probably do not vary widely wide enough to represent the whole IMO. I was already wary, now I'm a lot more ready to scrutinise fully, or wait until launch and watch the forums if that's not going to be a thing.

[Vanyaerunanethiel]

I have many issues with this announcement but as most were already voiced over by others I'll just comment that there is zero incentive to actually pre-order unless you are desperate to help SSG or perhaps want to show off new cosmetics before everyone else. Same as with Mordor. All bundles will still be available after release intact so why hurry?

I was never an early bird so I'll wait till release and then see if I want to pay and how much. While $130 and even $200 is not that much money by itself (though not everyone lives in the first world and even than may not have the luxury to spend that much at once) there a lot of competition where to put them

Spot on. I wish to talk about money a bit. Certain human beings are unaware nor are wise enough to save the money for their favourite product,hobby in current case its the video game. Let us visualise a bit for a moment and approximately calculate the daily,weekly or even annual expenses, Impossible to accurately calculate indeed. People waste enormous amount of cash of non-essential stuff and they later on complain about virtual prices,If one has but average salary ,low income one has to choose ,as simple as it is. Quit or significantly reduce Booze,Junk Food,Caffeine intake, Stop smoking.

There are millions of people spending absurd amount of money by drinking and smoking solely,if you quit of these only its crazy to imagine how much you will save, it varies by county. Calculate,work hard,plan wisely.

130-200$ for your beloved game yearly is nothing. People in general spend far worse of the needless,unhealthy and dangerous items the ones I mentioned above, now they will oh but video games are not needed, no most of the human beings cannot have luxury to own and buy everything nor posses whenever they want, so ultimately make decision.

Shall I focus on gaming or enjoy drinking as an example. Now,now it will be those saying Oh But I do not smoke at all, I stay away from alcohol, I avoid caffeine, Junk food is unthinkable for me, I have no other hobbies to spent money, that is ridiculous statement and low typical excuse, you either have to me monk who lived in Tibet for 30 years and meditates 20 hours per day and lives on 2-3 foods.

I have not yet person who completely avoid drinking,smoking,junk food,caffeine and has no hobbies to spent cash except basic human needs I do not count primary essentials to survive,food,bills and so on.. Cut one the following only an you can save few dollars per day at least and that's all you need to do it, it's that simple, but its mentally. People are not psychologically prepared to get rid of the addictions.

Man, even if you save 50 Cents a day you can buy yourself an expansion. 15$ monthly is literally nothing, you can find them street daily if you a patient enough.There are so many ways to generate money these days and even if you have below average income you can perfectly enjoy gaming, all these excuses , most of them are not true. There are exceptions and poverty , I am sorry, nothing or little we can do about it, most of the people can ,they won't its easier to sit and whine. Move and do something for yourself.

[Valakircka]

New lvl cap is 130 confirmed. New legacy tiers? You bet your ###.

thanks ............
that is not good, not good at all

[Valakircka]

It says in the info 10 more levels, so yes 130 will be the new character cap. At least someone quoted it somewhere.

Found it:

https://lotro.com/en/minasithil/

It's if You scroll down and read under one of the 6 images there.



As for LI's. Considering that already the 120 normal weapons (non li) have more dps than the LI's it would be hard to not add more levels to the LI's to add more dps to be on par with LvL 130 content.

havent noticed at all that there are more things lower than the pursuase button..........
i was really hoping that lvl cap will not go beyond 120!

[Arnenna]

Spot on. I wish to talk about money a bit.

It's not about having the money, or not having the money, or how affordable or not affordable the product may or may not be.

It's about knowing what you're buying.

I think the pricing is a bit high if they wish to catch everyone, and that prices set a bit lower makes it more affordable - hence, more sales. The actual monetary amount for me, is not a problem at all, but the fact it's out there for sale, when we have no idea what's in it - yes, that is, especially since Mordor and more recently, the Vales. I'd like to see that the new area caters to the game play activities that I enjoy before I actually pay large amounts for it. I don't mind wasting $40 dollars on a base edition, but then, if I buy that, the likelihood of me ever buying the ultimate, goes down by about 95%. That's their loss - -not mine, so, be careful not to judge too much based on your assumptions that people just can't afford it.

[Arnenna]

havent noticed at all that there are more things lower than the pursuase button..........
i was really hoping that lvl cap will not go beyond 120!

Level 130 offhand weapons are 90% likely to be stronger than a currently maxed imbued LI. There you have it, the likelihood that LI power will increase, is more of a definite than a likelihood.

[Narthalion]

Shall I focus on gaming or enjoy drinking as an example. Now,now it will be those saying Oh But I do not smoke at all, I stay away from alcohol, I avoid caffeine, Junk food is unthinkable for me, I have no other hobbies to spent money, that is ridiculous statement and low typical excuse, you either have to me monk who lived in Tibet for 30 years and meditates 20 hours per day and lives on 2-3 foods.

I have not yet person who completely avoid drinking,smoking,junk food,caffeine and has no hobbies to spent cash except basic human needs I do not count primary essentials to survive,food,bills and so on.. Cut one the following only an you can save few dollars per day at least and that's all you need to do it, it's that simple, but its mentally. People are not psychologically prepared to get rid of the addictions.

"Buy the Expansion, It's less dangerous to you than drinking and smoking." Another GREAT add campaign I'd love to see.

Incidentally, I never used to drink heavily. Until I started being forced by the Devs to grind endlessly for LIs. Then...

[Valakircka]

anyone already bought it can say if outfits are dyable?

[Aleziana]

anyone already bought it can say if outfits are dyable?

YES