Premade Imbued Legendary Items

[Ballie]

With the feedback thread closed now, with shutting down the ability to use the item to make a "premade" ILI:

One bug I noticed was in trying to hover over to ID the stats during the "making" process the ILI tooltip showed no or little progress at the end of the operation and didn't not assign any new ILI to the space for it in the LI panel. A quick log out and back in had the ILI in place on the panel and fully formed.

[LabadalofDorlomin]

Oh dear... what a joke... why would they offer us a second age weapon when in most places everything is equal... except LM staff and two handers... It is stupid.

I don't want a second age weapon. You go to all the trouble of bypassing a huge chunk of the grind but if I don't want a second age and there is no difference from a first ager then give us first agers...

What a joke... can you always almost get things right? .... another valar joke... make this one count....

Where is the love.

#dontfoolyourselvesintothinkin gtwoisbetterthanone

[scorrp10]

That is precisely it. You (OP) yourself said in that other thread that giving an ILI that close to max is too generous, it is 'leaving money on the table'.

This is why it is SA. If all you care about is stats/DPS, you take that near-maxed blue SA that screams 'AoV' and use it. If your max LI is gold, it means you put a LOT of work into it... or a lot of $$.

A rather elegant solution, actually. If they start offering in-game ways to get near-max SA or even TA ILI's, I am totally dusting off some alts and getting them those.

[JimhadaUK]

Some people are just vain about the colour of their weapon.
Tell you what let the whales buy the FA.
Put a premade 3A in the basic edition. 2A in the middle one. 1A in the ultimate.
I’ll take the cheap 3A any day of the week ??

People just want the moon on a stick sometimes. When you consider this is an upgrade from theHeroes Sword in previousValars. I think it a good deal.

[Ballie]

That is precisely it. You (OP) yourself said in that other thread that giving an ILI that close to max is too generous, it is 'leaving money on the table'.

This is why it is SA. If all you care about is stats/DPS, you take that near-maxed blue SA that screams 'AoV' and use it. If your max LI is gold, it means you put a LOT of work into it... or a lot of $$.

A rather elegant solution, actually. If they start offering in-game ways to get near-max SA or even TA ILI's, I am totally dusting off some alts and getting them those.

What got to me was the hints that a couple of these ILIs would be part of the new 120 valar but at the same time advertising the coming store price of no more than the 105 valar.

We don't know if these "premade" ILIs (more like generated via a script on use) will be available separately in the store.

This first iteration just looks to be too good given that they are forming part of the more expensive packages and with the suggestion that level 120 characters will be enabled to make use of it for it's other benefits when normally it would have had an upper limit of 119. It's screaming out that it is too potent even without the added ILIs. With just 35 Empowerment scrolls and 3 Star-lit Crystals below maxed out it's around 140 days of MT dailies and 48 days of a festival grind saved with those two ILIs.

It can't be right that a level boost item becomes the de facto route to advancement. If all our dusty alts haven't already got ILIs sorted does the general standard of play take another dive as we all dust them off and try to remember how we play them?

[JimhadaUK]

It can't be right that a level boost item becomes the de facto route to advancement. If all our dusty alts haven't already got ILIs sorted does the general standard of play take another dive as we all dust them off and try to remember how we play them?

Thats my fear. They put these massive grinds in the game then come along and say...
'We have listened to the complaints about LIs and now offer pre-Imbued LIs in the store.'

If people want to buy them, then great, but dont push us towards it by encouraging more grind.

[LabadalofDorlomin]

you take that near-maxed blue SA that screams 'AoV' and use it. If your max LI is gold, it means you put a LOT of work into it... or a lot of $$.

Couple of things here which worried me and you confirmed them in one sentence.

I feared that it would create a segregation in those that have the 2age and all they, (those who advocate the 2age and 3age) are after is to be able to work out who is a valar player/character.

I wouldn't mind hedging my bets that most of those saying 2age and not 1age are those group leaders that will only add pug group players to their runs after inspecting.



Example you are looking for a Loremaster for a run. ............ after inspection who do you choose?

player (a) with a shiny 1ager or
player (b) with a 2ager

If your answer is "it doesn't matter" you know you are lying to yourself. (of course it doesn't matter but I know most will see having the 2age is a sign of valar and "are they new player or new to the class" is what they will be thinking)

How do you know that the player with the 2age isn't a returning player who is fluent in Loremaster play and has polished their craft and back enjoying their time in middle earth and oooh look... nobody wants them in their groups !! They will take the 1age player who could be absolutely useless.





Having 2agers as the pre imbued leg up is stupid as there is little different in stats... but will cause a segregation that will ultimately cause players to get disgruntled and possibly even have to start again...

and therefore in an even worse position than before because they will have put inevitable effort in on the 2age weapon only to find they are second class citizen of middle earth now and have to start again with a new 1ager and probably just give up.

****Second age weapons in the valar = second class citizen****

Is this the worst Valar yet? Probably not but could turn out to be the most damaging to their reputation... this really is a joke because it was so nearly right.

[scorrp10]

Segregation? Maybe. Though frankly, even today a max-out FA is not a guarantee. Could be a whale who dumped a whole lot of MC into it.
If having TA/SA means a shortcut through most of the grind, we are likely to start seeing a lot of peoples alts going around with those. Some quite skilled, some not so much. We will start seeing raid/instance leaders with those. Quite possible that in a few months, the color of one's LI might become a far less of a factor.

[Ballie]

Cord is suggesting these SA are two thirds the way to max on stream. This is quite some distance from the reality of 35 scrolls and 3 star-lits off max. Against 250 scrolls and 29 star-lits.

If it was actually two thirds and a first age it wouldn't totally undermine the efforts and grief we have had with ILIs these years.

Strip them from the valar package and make them a separate purchase at a high cost and get some money to make the game better.

It's no wonder they have locked the feedback thread and turned to the audience on twitch for feedback... they're all after freebies. It's a fire sale in it's current implementation and valar store price indications.

[Cordovan]

Cord is suggesting these SA are two thirds the way to max on stream. This is quite some distance from the reality of 35 scrolls and 3 star-lits off max. Against 250 scrolls and 29 star-lits.

If it was actually two thirds and a first age it wouldn't totally undermine the efforts and grief we have had with ILIs these years.

Strip them from the valar package and make them a separate purchase at a high cost and get some money to make the game better.

It's no wonder they have locked the feedback thread and turned to the audience on twitch for feedback... they're all after freebies. It's a fire sale in it's current implementation and valar store price indications.

Don't read much into that, I was pulling a number from the air to indicate they weren't maxed out.

[Laurelinarien]

Since this thread is the one related to the subject of the poll I just made, here's a link to it if you all feel like casting a vote:

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...h-lvl-120-Aria

[Milarien]

I have no objection to FA's being included, I think it's a bit of a waste to include a partially leveled up SA because really, you're going to use them for so long, everybody wants to put in the little bit (relatively speaking) of extra effort required to get an FA.

How much boost is granted is another issue. I don't know what would be fair. Some percentage, certainly. Perhaps with more available in the store? How much would a level 120 normally already have?

[valgorlim]

The point is why should new players get super legendary items with no effort having no virtues and no idea how idea how to play there class. seeing so many new clueless players trying to do instances without becoming a part of the community.

[Kehleyr_SSG]

It's no wonder they have locked the feedback thread and turned to the audience on twitch for feedback... they're all after freebies. It's a fire sale in it's current implementation and valar store price indications.

The feedback thread was locked because the items we are looking for feedback on are not available. Only reason.

[Sthrax]

The point is why should new players get super legendary items with no effort having no virtues and no idea how idea how to play there class. seeing so many new clueless players trying to do instances without becoming a part of the community.

I'd argue those new players will do that whether or not they have a FA, SA or TA. Those players having FA won't matter at all in terms of what in-game activities they will be able to handle, which is exactly why I'd give them the FA instead of the SA.

[valgorlim]

ok I accept your argument new players need all the assistance they can get.

[Hephburz-2]

I'd argue those new players will do that whether or not they have a FA, SA or TA. Those players having FA won't matter at all in terms of what in-game activities they will be able to handle, which is exactly why I'd give them the FA instead of the SA.

And for like the 10th million time, there is no numerical difference between SA and FA when fully maxed out.

[Laurelinarien]

The feedback thread was locked because the items we are looking for feedback on are not available. Only reason.

True... we haven't been able to properly observe the future LIs, talking about how over/underwhelming they are is... well.. unfounded.

The point is why should new players get super legendary items with no effort having no virtues and no idea how idea how to play there class. seeing so many new clueless players trying to do instances without becoming a part of the community.

I'd love to know how many players getting the next Valar item will truly be new to the game. Nevertheless, there is still some amount of effort involved in getting a powerleveled toon to instance-ready status. Idk.. I don't like Valar items myself but I'm not against people using them... there are players who just use theirs to get some "upgrades" for their alts (like the VXP)

[JimhadaUK]

It kinda defeats the purpose of having different age weapons if they are just going to hand them out. They should just do away with the elitism involved in what colour the weapon is and make them all Third Age. Have special SA and FA weapons drop as rare loot.

The poll would be as well asking,
Who wants...
A - Ice Cream
B - Ice Cream and Jelly

Only those that dont like Jelly are going to vote for Ice Cream as both things are not equal.
Now if the vote had been
Who wants...
A - Chocolate Ice Cream
B - Vanilla Ice Cream
C - Strawberry Ice Cream

then all things are equal.. so it is a poll you can base results on

so to make things equal
Who wants...
A - First Age Weapon and 5000 LP
B - Second Age Weapon and 10000 LP
C - Third Age Weapon and 20000 LP

then people could make an informed choice as to what suits them best, unfortunately that is not what is on offer.

[valgorlim]

legendary items are not everyting . I have to accept that . It is just that I feel the game is being dumbed down .

[Sthrax]

And for like the 10th million time, there is no numerical difference between SA and FA when fully maxed out.

If I'm not mistaken, there is with the passives on 2-Handed weapons and some class items. Not with the max damage/healing ratings or the max tier on the legacies, which is what really matters to most people.

[Laurelinarien]

It kinda defeats the purpose of having different age weapons if they are just going to hand them out. They should just do away with the elitism involved in what colour the weapon is and make them all Third Age. Have special SA and FA weapons drop as rare loot.

I'm gonna skip the counterfactual hypothetical poll (but I'd vote Ice-cream )

My RK was one of the toons that, back when FAs were raid-drops and RTs didn't give any, demanded a lot of LIs to play endgame, as all of you know. I was keeping 5 LIs: Fire Stone, Lightning Stone, Healing Stone, 1 DPS Bag, 1 Healing Bag. As you can imagine, when I started working on them, I wasn't able to craft FAs for all of them immediately (never been part of a hardcore kin). So 2 of those 5 were and stayed SAs over time (dps bag and healing stone).

Ofc my RK wasn't my only toon, nor my main... as the game moved on, tiers increased, it got even more demanding to keep all my LIs on 9 lvl cap toons maxed out. I had to choose. So starting over to make those SAs into candy-dropped FAs was a task I didn't wanna endure. All that grinding again, so discouraging.

Sure, a new character has other options now. Valar item being one of them. And yes, like Heph said, there's no difference between SA-FA. Just the amount of SoEs & Crystals needed to max out from 0 to today. And we don't know how much of the grind is reduced by these handed-out LIs we couldn't try out on BR preview 1.

Revamping LIs? Yea, maybe we'll see it one day :P and I'm sure there will be people complaining too XD

[Hephburz-2]

If I'm not mistaken, there is with the passives on 2-Handed weapons and some class items. Not with the max damage/healing ratings or the max tier on the legacies, which is what really matters to most people.

Yes, passives only, which are completely irrelevant.

[LabadalofDorlomin]

Imbued weapons were designed to give us our Sting.... that weapon that we could keep and treasure...

Why would we then want what is clearly classed as a second class and third class option as an imbued weapon regardless of the small differences between the two.

Don't give us with one hand having already spoiled it in the first place.

The whole point of imbuement was to give us something special to keep hold of.

And if we are keeping up with the stupid analogies then it is like offering the Ice cream and Jelly... knowing full well that there is a spoonful of maggots in the bottom of the bowl.


ENJOY :P

[JimhadaUK]

I'm gonna skip the counterfactual hypothetical poll (but I'd vote Ice-cream )

My RK was one of the toons that, back when FAs were raid-drops and RTs didn't give any, demanded a lot of LIs to play endgame, as all of you know. I was keeping 5 LIs: Fire Stone, Lightning Stone, Healing Stone, 1 DPS Bag, 1 Healing Bag. As you can imagine, when I started working on them, I wasn't able to craft FAs for all of them immediately (never been part of a hardcore kin). So 2 of those 5 were and stayed SAs over time (dps bag and healing stone).

Ofc my RK wasn't my only toon, nor my main... as the game moved on, tiers increased, it got even more demanding to keep all my LIs on 9 lvl cap toons maxed out. I had to choose. So starting over to make those SAs into candy-dropped FAs was a task I didn't wanna endure. All that grinding again, so discouraging.

Sure, a new character has other options now. Valar item being one of them. And yes, like Heph said, there's no difference between SA-FA. Just the amount of SoEs & Crystals needed to max out from 0 to today. And we don't know how much of the grind is reduced by these handed-out LIs we couldn't try out on BR preview 1.

Revamping LIs? Yea, maybe we'll see it one day :P and I'm sure there will be people complaining too XD

But thats the thing isnt it... most classes need more than 2 LIs... those that want 6 FA lis are gonna grind them anyway. those that will be happy with 2A will be happy with 2A. (despite the supposed spoonful of maggots from the vanity crowd)