Set Items missing?

[LotRfan2000]

Correct me if I'm wrong but set items (for example Robes of Fem) are missing from the Lorebook or the searches cannot properly identify their pages so that players can view the information. I wanted to pull up information on this particular set and both seaches yield no results when searching by as little as the word "Fem". This would lead me to question if any of the set items of any sets are contained within the lorebook.

[Madscotsman]

You will find that the lorebook has more than a few things missing. I would suggest using other sources of information in conjunction with the lorebook. Some examples would be:

http://lotro.mmodb.com

http://lotro.allakhazam.com

[LotRfan2000]

While thats all good and what not. My reasons for posting about things missing from the lorebook is so that it can be updated. After all if turbine is going to have an official information source that is supposed to contain all in game information and any additional information fan would like to add then it should quite frankly be updated to include all in game information and be corrected when existing information is not accurate due to changes made within the game. However as it stands their quality of service provided for the lorebook is disturbing compared to their quality of service to the game itself. If there is going to be official content outside of game then they need to dedicate time on working on that content just as much as they are dedicated to working on in game content.

Fan sites are good and all, but to be quite honest, those two sites you linked to are in much more dire need of updating than the official lorebook is in its handful of missing entries and broken organization from bk 12 update to it. While there is some handy information contained on them I find the lorebook to be much more useful reference source than those sites. Why must the community divide its resources to working on dozens of different fan sites when we could all be making the lorebook the one place that contains all you need to know about the game. Of course one problem arises for the community to do this and it is the fact that turbine has designed the site with official entries that cannot as far as i can tell be edited by the community and thus it is up to turbine to alter existing entries and add the missing official entries. Which is why I say there is no reason they should not be actively addressing the official entry content daily just like the community does. Especially since the community can do nothing more than inform that so and so thing needs to be addressed rather than having the power to fix it themselves.

[Duwis]

Correct me if I'm wrong but set items (for example Robes of Fem) are missing from the Lorebook or the searches cannot properly identify their pages so that players can view the information. I wanted to pull up information on this particular set and both seaches yield no results when searching by as little as the word "Fem". This would lead me to question if any of the set items of any sets are contained within the lorebook.

This is a known issue caused by accented characters; Robe of Fém in this case has an accented e. There are some keywords wired to pick up the accented version (or alternate spelling, armor vs armour) if the non-accented version is searched. However, we are working towards a universal solution.

The item is usually there and might take a bit of creative searching to unearth. e.g., an advanced search of items using "Robe of f" as the name turns up only seven matches, one of which is Robe of Fém.

Hope that helps; keep watching for more updates.

Cheers.

[Cleitanious]

This is a known issue caused by accented characters; Robe of Fém in this case has an accented e. There are some keywords wired to pick up the accented version (or alternate spelling, armor vs armour) if the non-accented version is searched. However, we are working towards a universal solution.

The item is usually there and might take a bit of creative searching to unearth. e.g., an advanced search of items using "Robe of f" as the name turns up only seven matches, one of which is Robe of Fém.

Hope that helps; keep watching for more updates.

Cheers.

Shouldn't "Robe of F*m" also work? To easily search without playing around with accneintg your searches?

[LotRfan2000]

Is it possible then to add to the advanced search an option to show set items? So that we don't have to creatively figure out how to locate and view them. This is also helpful because not everyone is going to know the names of items in sets or the names of the sets. I know someone will point out well you can head over to 3 or 4 other fan sites and between them get all the info you are seeking. The problem with that is having gone to other sites to get the info I seek on sets there is always something lacking so that I have not reached the point of having the info I need. One or more are missing sets other sites have, others missing info on how one or more sets are gotten, some lack stats for items. Basically in the end even between the 3-4 fansites you still cannot get all the info needed on item sets. Seeing as we have an official info source it helps if it can be used to easily obtain all the info from it. In essence it should be the most reliable source given that its information is extracted directly from the game itself. As long as both the staff and players are willing to make it the best it can be it will be the best and most reliable source of info for the game. That is why I continue to post improvements needed that require either the staff to work on or that take a few or more players to work together to make happen.

[Duwis]

Is it possible then to add to the advanced search an option to show set items?

That is an excellent idea; would you (the community) want to see that as an option in the "Item Type" control, e.g., Armour, Weapons, Set radio buttons? Or do you think it belongs grouped in a different set of controls?

I'm pretty sure I can get this into the next update; I'll keep you updated.

Cheers.

[jkray622]

I think if it were a separate set of search criteria (all armour/weapons/jewelry could be defined as either a set piece, or not), that would work out ok.

Then you could do a search for all Heavy Armour that are parts of a set. Or all heavy armour that is not part of a set.

[Shonsu]

That is an excellent idea; would you (the community) want to see that as an option in the "Item Type" control, e.g., Armour, Weapons, Set radio buttons? Or do you think it belongs grouped in a different set of controls?

I'm pretty sure I can get this into the next update; I'll keep you updated.

Cheers.

I think it's a great idea.

[Duwis]

I think if it were a separate set of search criteria (all armour/weapons/jewelry could be defined as either a set piece, or not), that would work out ok.

Then you could do a search for all Heavy Armour that are parts of a set. Or all heavy armour that is not part of a set.

That makes sense to me; look for this in the next update.

[Shukar]

That is an excellent idea; would you (the community) want to see that as an option in the "Item Type" control, e.g., Armour, Weapons, Set radio buttons? Or do you think it belongs grouped in a different set of controls?

Not sure if you can do this also... but once you find a set piece that you think is interesting, I'd love a quick way to pull up the whole set. That way you can evaluate all the pieces and see if you think it's something you want to go for.

[Duwis]

Not sure if you can do this also... but once you find a set piece that you think is interesting, I'd love a quick way to pull up the whole set. That way you can evaluate all the pieces and see if you think it's something you want to go for.

If you view a set item, e.g., Robe of Fém, the other items in the set are listed. You can mouse over their icons and get a tooltip listing their stats.

Is that sufficient, or do you have an alternate way of grouping and viewing a set in mind?

[Cleitanious]

Can there be a "Robes of Fem" page, whicha llows you to search for the "set name" instead of any one specific item's name. This way that page can have a little flavour text about the item set, where you get it etc.

[Duwis]

Can there be a "Robes of Fem" page, whicha llows you to search for the "set name" instead of any one specific item's name. This way that page can have a little flavour text about the item set, where you get it etc.

Hmm... there actually is a page like that already. Doesn't have the flavour text or where you get it, but I'll look into what we can do automagically for a future update.

As a first step though, I'll find an appropriate way to make the current item set category and articles more visible.

Cheers.

[Cleitanious]

Hmm... there actually is a page like that already. Doesn't have the flavour text or where you get it, but I'll look into what we can do automagically for a future update.

As a first step though, I'll find an appropriate way to make the current item set category and articles more visible.

Cheers.

I know its asking alot but I think it would be very cool for a little section on what a "Fem" is and why there are Robes for it, like

"To the Tor Gulvain (Spelled wrong) a Fem is one's duty name, ones purpose in life and society. The Robes of Fem offer their owner comfort and protection in addition the signicance of the owner's fem grants them greater vitality and fortune while they persue their duty name."

Also most items in LOTRO have Sindarin or Dwarven names which can be translated into english terms such as "Bracelet of the Chase" having these translated names availible to those who cannot translate everything themself would also be pretty cool (but alot of work)

[atteSmythe]

I know its asking alot but I think it would be very cool for a little section on what a "Fem" is and why there are Robes for it, like

"To the Tor Gulvain (Spelled wrong) a Fem is one's duty name, ones purpose in life and society. The Robes of Fem offer their owner comfort and protection in addition the signicance of the owner's fem grants them greater vitality and fortune while they persue their duty name."

Also most items in LOTRO have Sindarin or Dwarven names which can be translated into english terms such as "Bracelet of the Chase" having these translated names availible to those who cannot translate everything themself would also be pretty cool (but alot of work)

IMO, this is the sort of stuff that will be added by Turbine occasionally, but is mostly our duty to add. This isn't the sort of thing that can be pulled out of a database.

[Cleitanious]

IMO, this is the sort of stuff that will be added by Turbine occasionally, but is mostly our duty to add. This isn't the sort of thing that can be pulled out of a database.

I didnt think we could edit the Official Pages such as Item descriptions, and the devs that named the items would better know why they named them the way they did where we could only speculate.

hence my saying, its probobly too much to ask.

I started another topic all about the item name translations here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...28#post1865028

[atteSmythe]

You can edit the pages, but not inside the official blocks. There's a lot to be said just from what you learn about an item or place in game: Celondim is a good example of what can still be done with a place with an official entry, IMO, and Winterheight's entry shows a little of what can be done with a place that has little background provided in-game.

Disclaimer: I'm the primary editor on those pages, but I wouldn't have worked on them if I didn't think that they were good examples.

I'm sure the devs would know better why items are named what they are...but I've also seen posts by those same developers saying that they don't like to give out exact translations, because it takes away from the discovery. At the least, they're working from a known vocabulary and grammar, so while they may know their reasons best, it's not as though the meaning of the names is unknowable.

I can't think of any better way of saying it, but it seems to me that this is one area in which we're not at the whim of the devs to update from a database, or add the calculations they needed to put in for item stats, etc. IMO, we should seize that opportunity.

[LotRfan2000]

Other than the restriction of editing within the sections tagged within <noedit> and </noedit>, the only other part I'm aware of that the community cannot edit are special pages. So enhancements to advanced search and adding items that are not showing up in advanced search as far as I am aware is up to the turbine staff to make the changes. I am not aware at least of the ability for the community to make alterations or additions to special pages but more specifically advanced search and items that don't show up in the search results.

I've not recently checked but last time I had it list all recipes of a specific profession or profession and tier not all the recipes would show up even though there were official content pages for the recipes. Last i did check the dye recipes were showing up when previously they weren't. but anyways if it is possible for the community to make the corrections so that missing items show up that would be great. But if not all we can hope is that corrections will be made in a timely fashion.

Hmm... there actually is a page like that already.

Oh and I added a link in the TOC on the front page for the category that page is in. So that is one resource for viewing info on sets.

[Dest1]

What I think would be nice (and as mentioned i'm sure your working on it) is to have an option or default that just plain text searches return items as well.. perhaps an "alternate name" or "text only" without the unicode chars.

Perhaps an index too of the listed items... something like

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

A......
A.....
A.....


In this case.. we know it starts with "Robe" so click the "R" and scroll down to find it.