Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

[skorpion352]

could someone please translate "silver bow" into elvish for me?

[Amonceleb]

I'm not sure about normalizing the name, but "Celeb" is silver, and "Peng" is bow (assuming you mean the weapon, and not a ribbon or a curved object, which have different Sindarin words altogether.)

[skorpion352]

I'm not sure about normalizing the name, but "Celeb" is silver, and "Peng" is bow (assuming you mean the weapon, and not a ribbon or a curved object, which have different Sindarin words altogether.)

so how would they fit together?

[SiSL]

so how would they fit together?

Celepeng , may be...

[Berephon]

Celepeng , may be...

Celebbeng (Possibly Celebeng) or Cúgeleb (Cû is also bow, hence Beleg Cúthalion...Mighty Strongbow)

[APErebusAU]

Might as well stick mine in...

Rocharan (Elf)

Rochuil (Elf)

I noticed there is a Rochwen NPC so i assume Roch is something...

[Berephon]

so then what would Celondim translate to? would i be correct in assuming that i means something along the lines of Silver Dock, Silver Boat or Silver Water?


also, keep up the awesome lore work

It is indeed Stair of the River.

[LOTRFan101]

Might as well stick mine in...

Rocharan (Elf)

Rochuil (Elf)

I noticed there is a Rochwen NPC so i assume Roch is something...

"Roch" means "horse", according to my sources.

"Uil" means "seaweed"... and "aran" means "king".

Correct me if I'm wrong, all I do is take syllables and stick them together. I don't really understand Sindarin grammar at all.

[Berephon]

"Roch" means "horse", according to my sources.

"Uil" means "seaweed"... and "aran" means "king".

Correct me if I'm wrong, all I do is take syllables and stick them together. I don't really understand Sindarin grammar at all.

So yes, basically those names mean King of the Horse and Seaweed of the Horse. However, there is also the possibility that Rochuil is Roch + Cuil (c would become g, which could potentially drop), which then becomes Life of the Horse. The latter, while *potentially* possible, is also a bit more of a stretch. A c mutated to g usually sticks around, where a natural g would drop.

[skorpion352]

Celebbeng (Possibly Celebeng) or Cúgeleb (Cû is also bow, hence Beleg Cúthalion...Mighty Strongbow)

okay thanks, i think im gonna go for Cugeleb, as its the hardest to pronounce

[Kittykittybangbang]

Slightly off topic, but the best place I could think of for these questions:

Why can't we enter in accented characters for our character names and sur-names when they are so prevelant in the languages of the LOTR world?

Are there any plans however remote to allow for this and would we be able to change our names and/or sur-names?

[skorpion352]

Slightly off topic, but the best place I could think of for these questions:

Why can't we enter in accented characters for our character names and sur-names when they are so prevelant in the languages of the LOTR world?

Are there any plans however remote to allow for this and would we be able to change our names and/or sur-names?

i think it has someting to do with tech limitaions. the devs had said several times why, but icant remember the exact reson. ill dig through the dev posts and chat logs later for you, unless berephon beats me to it and replies, lol

[SiSL]

Slightly off topic, but the best place I could think of for these questions:

Why can't we enter in accented characters for our character names and sur-names when they are so prevelant in the languages of the LOTR world?

Are there any plans however remote to allow for this and would we be able to change our names and/or sur-names?

Because it would serve quite good number of confusion among players. Adding friends, sending tells and mails those who can not type those characters.

Imagine: SìSL and SiSL are technically two different words as examples. And you would see names like Ø®H@Ñ that might confuse a lot of chat channels as well.

[Okitana]

hey everyone! reading this thread was really kinda fun, seeing the rather beautiful names and their meanings has got me pumped to make a new character when i return after a break from the game

so this is a building request for a male elf who's name would have something to do with being ''chased by seasons''
if its imposssible thanks for giving it a shot!

[Kittykittybangbang]

To the replies to my question:

Good points, it saddens me, but good points.

[Fidicor]

I realize this thread is rather old, but I came across it and it peaked my fancy.

I've tried learning Quenya multiple times from Ardalambion, and while I really enjoy all reading the linguistic analysis in that and in this thread, I've never found the time to get through it all to a sufficiently detailed understanding to trust my understanding of the vowel and consonant shifts involved in constructions like those in this thread.

I was wondering if anyone in this thread can make anything of the name Carandos.
Thanks

[Berephon]

I realize this thread is rather old, but I came across it and it peaked my fancy.

I've tried learning Quenya multiple times from Ardalambion, and while I really enjoy all reading the linguistic analysis in that and in this thread, I've never found the time to get through it all to a sufficiently detailed understanding to trust my understanding of the vowel and consonant shifts involved in constructions like those in this thread.

I was wondering if anyone in this thread can make anything of the name Carandos.
Thanks

Red Bush (caran + tos)

[Silverlocket]

So Ollie Redbush in Bree may be half-elven?

[Cleitanious]

Pop quiz, which of my character's names are Sindarin in origin and those that are, what are their translations?

Baratan Faenthand - Guardian,
Gaearonhir Beltamath - Captain,
Izludeius Grimbriar - Hunter,
Lezales Black-blade - Champion,
Ramziah Sunnyshine - Hobbit

Bonus $1,000,000 question, which character name was suggested to me for use by Berephon himself?

[AmAvocet]

Berephon,

Is there a guide somewhere for how Elvish words change when they're combined? You do a great job of explaining it in individual cases, but I'd like a list of general rules. Also, I have no idea how to change a verb into a noun (e.g., "climb" to "climber").

I like to use Elvish names for my Loremaster's pets, but I'm sure the names are coming out all wrong. I'm just taking the two root words (which I find in the dictionary I and a high school buddy made back in '78) and stick them together.

Here are my feeble attempts:

Bear - Barandil (Golden-brown Friend)
Cat - Wilwarinfaroth (Butterfly-hunter)
Dog - Sedryndil (Faithful Friend)
Fox - Taurewanya (Forest-wanderer)
Frog - Legolab (Green-hop)
Lynx - Farondin (Silent Hunter)
Rabbit - Sindalab (Grey-hop)
Raven - Mornorámë (Black-wing)
Snake - Vagothanc (Sword-fang)
Sparrow - Entlaer (Tree-singer)
Squirrel - Aldrath (Tree-climb)
Turtle - Dolindol (Hidden-head)

Of course, names like "Tree-climb" and "Green-hop" just sound silly in English, and I'd like to correct the form in Elvish. Any suggestions on how to learn to use Elvish properly?

[Berephon]

Pop quiz, which of my character's names are Sindarin in origin and those that are, what are their translations?

Baratan Faenthand - Guardian,
Gaearonhir Beltamath - Captain,
Izludeius Grimbriar - Hunter,
Lezales Black-blade - Champion,
Ramziah Sunnyshine - Hobbit

Bonus $1,000,000 question, which character name was suggested to me for use by Berephon himself?

So if I tell you which name I suggested, I get $1,000,000?

[Cleitanious]

So if I tell you which name I suggested, I get $1,000,000?

Sure, the usual terms and conditions of this sort of contest apply though, so beware!

I'd like to hear your translations of my names and any ideas you may have to improve their accuracy as well.

[Berephon]

Berephon,

Is there a guide somewhere for how Elvish words change when they're combined? You do a great job of explaining it in individual cases, but I'd like a list of general rules. Also, I have no idea how to change a verb into a noun (e.g., "climb" to "climber").

I like to use Elvish names for my Loremaster's pets, but I'm sure the names are coming out all wrong. I'm just taking the two root words (which I find in the dictionary I and a high school buddy made back in '78) and stick them together.

Here are my feeble attempts:

Bear - Barandil (Golden-brown Friend)
Cat - Wilwarinfaroth (Butterfly-hunter)
Dog - Sedryndil (Faithful Friend)
Fox - Taurewanya (Forest-wanderer)
Frog - Legolab (Green-hop)
Lynx - Farondin (Silent Hunter)
Rabbit - Sindalab (Grey-hop)
Raven - Mornorámë (Black-wing)
Snake - Vagothanc (Sword-fang)
Sparrow - Entlaer (Tree-singer)
Squirrel - Aldrath (Tree-climb)
Turtle - Dolindol (Hidden-head)

Of course, names like "Tree-climb" and "Green-hop" just sound silly in English, and I'd like to correct the form in Elvish. Any suggestions on how to learn to use Elvish properly?

Barandil would be Golden-brown Stuffing or Golden-brown Spike or Tine. You were looking for Baramellon, Baranheron, or Barameldir (f. Barameldis)

Butterfly-hunter would be...hard. There are mutations in names with more than three syllables that I don't know. Also, the G in Gwilwileth only drops at the beginning of a final component...it would remain in this case.

Faithful Friend would be Estelvellon, Estelveldir (-veldis for f.), or Estelheron. Sedryn is plural Faithful Ones. Estel is Faith, so the closest you would get is Friend of Faith.

Forest Wanderer would be Torandir (taur + randir), Gladrandir (glâd + randir), or Tawarandir

Green-hop would be Leglabanir (laeg + laba- + -nir agent suffix)

Silent Hunter would be Dinenfaron or Dinenferedir

Grey-hop would be Mithrellabanir, Thinglabanir, or Mithlabanir (Sinda, Sindar is Quenya, oddly enough)

Black-wing would be Morroval (familiar? ), Dondhroval, or Mordhroval

Sword-fang would be Cristarch, Langarch, Magolarch, or Megilarch

Tree-singer would be Galadlin or Orllin

Tree-climb(er) would be Galadhrathnir or Ordhrathnir

Hidden Head would be Dolendol, Haldol, Thorendol, or Thurindol.

[Berephon]

Pop quiz, which of my character's names are Sindarin in origin and those that are, what are their translations?

Baratan Faenthand - Guardian,
Gaearonhir Beltamath - Captain,
Izludeius Grimbriar - Hunter,
Lezales Black-blade - Champion,
Ramziah Sunnyshine - Hobbit

Bonus $1,000,000 question, which character name was suggested to me for use by Berephon himself?

Baratan (bara + tan) = Fiery Smith (should be Baradan), Faenthand (faen + thand) = Spirit-shield

Gaearonhir (gaearon + hîr) = Sea-lord (pretty sure this was the one I recommended), Beltamath (Bell + tamma- + -ath mediat suffix) should be Beltammath = Strong Knocker (stretching because I couldn't thnk of anything else that fit here.)

And the latter three are your own. The Z was the key.

[lastalliance]

Pop quiz, which of my character's names are Sindarin in origin and those that are, what are their translations?

Baratan Faenthand - Guardian,
Gaearonhir Beltamath - Captain,
Izludeius Grimbriar - Hunter,
Lezales Black-blade - Champion,
Ramziah Sunnyshine - Hobbit

Bonus $1,000,000 question, which character name was suggested to me for use by Berephon himself?

I'll try... but I think I'll fail...

Baratan could be "man home." Bar is home, atan is Quenya for man. Or, perhaps, it could be "I tower" (i.e. tower over others). Barad is tower and "-an" is a suffix that makes it first personish, although I think it should be "-on."

Gaearonhir could be "dread king lord." Gae is dread, aron (it should be aran) is king, and hir is lord.

Tell me, how miserably did I fail? Did I at least get remotely close on either of them?